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LW Arthur Kaliyev (2019, 33rd, LAK)

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Didn't Esposito drop from the top 5 to 20th for that reason? Veleno falling from top-15 to 30th was due to consistency issues. I'm sure Ho-Sang was going higher but fell due to poor work ethic.

Well comparing all 4 here...

Esposito had a 1.32 PPG in his draft year.
Ho-Sang had a 1.27 PPG
Veleno had a 1.23 PPG

Kaliyev had a 1.52 PPG.

He's on a different level than previous guys who slipped.
 
Does Kaliyev primarily play LW or RW? Seems to be listed as an LW, but I've seen an awful lot of goals from the right side.
Actually, playing on the off wing is a help for snipers. They have a better angle to the net. It's most of the other skills that suffer.

I have to say that I am confused as to why he still has an accent, if he did indeed move to the US when he was a toddler, not that it should matter hockey wise. Just seems to be a lot of misinformation on this player.
 
It is amusing that guys like Brink look like they are 12 and Kaliyev looks like he's 40.
 
100 point plus in draft yr

that's a silly restriction to put on it. nobody is arguing that he didn't get 100 pts. they're saying that Kaliyev's compete level and his consistency are questionable. Which may or may not be valid, but apparently that's the going theory.

Well comparing all 4 here...

Esposito had a 1.32 PPG in his draft year.
Ho-Sang had a 1.27 PPG
Veleno had a 1.23 PPG

Kaliyev had a 1.52 PPG.

He's on a different level than previous guys who slipped.

I think people are looking at this assbackwards. Maybe the only reason Kaliyev was even in the discussion for a first round pick is because of how many pts he put up and he should've been ranked lower from the start. So even though a lot of people aren't impressed with him as a player but his production kind of made it hard to ignore? That said, I'd have gone w/ him if he were available around 25 but I also know nothing about running a scouting department
 
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How many random pt/game players in Sweden+Finland+North American junior leagues don't go first round? That's a question I'm curious to see the answer to. Talvitie went 6th round putting up 1.4 pt/game in Jr-A Liiga for example.

I wonder if Kaliyev played outside of North America if his draft stock would be higher or lower. Maybe if he were scouted less he'd be a 10-15th overall?
 
Am I the only one who doesn't think his skating is bad, or even below average?

Why do I have the sneaking suspicion that he fell in the rankings because he seems awkward and fidgety in interviews? Is it possible that the Bro culture of the NHL just didn't feel comfortable with his demeanour?

Maybe with a couple teams that could of been a concern but not with every one that passed on him in the first round. The broadcasts were making it sound teams were passing on Connor McDavid... it was comical.... plenty of offensive players in junior don't make it in the NHL and its mostly due to compete and consistency and those are the two knocks on his game right now... I'm not shocked he went were he did. he'd a good 2nd round pick.... Bobby Brink had the highest PPG average of a first year draft eligible player in the USHL and went in the 2nd round too.... while these teams do make mistakes, at the end of the day does it really matter what round you get the player in as long as you get him?!?!
 
Honestly, I don't have any facts, but maybe Kaliyev is not 17? There have been some historical precendents, uzbek-born Arsen Ilyasov(Ersan Ilyasova) is one example. Guy was born in Uzbekistan in 1984 and changed his metrics, so he became 1987 born turk.

Because a 17 y.o 100 pts scorer is a sure first rounder otherwise.
 
I don't know if this guy makes it or not, but to use a 2nd rounder, your team's 3rd pick in the draft, seems like a reasonable price to pay. Even if your scouts don't love the way the guy plays, 50 goals shouldn't be ignored in case they are wrong on their projections (like everyone can be).

This is exactly why most Kings fans are perfectly fine with the pick.

Turcotte at 5, Bjornfot at 22, and Kaliyev at 33 is a fantastic haul for any team with that many picks in the top 40 of this specific draft.
 
This is exactly why most Kings fans are perfectly fine with the pick.

Turcotte at 5, Bjornfot at 22, and Kaliyev at 33 is a fantastic haul for any team with that many picks in the top 40 of this specific draft.


Those are 3 excellent picks all with top20 talent.

Turcotte is a monster though.
 
It is amusing that guys like Brink look like they are 12 and Kaliyev looks like he's 40.



He looks 40 to you? He looks like the kid that played video games at lunch. He's a little goofy, but he seems like a nice kid. It's crazy how much negativity there is around a player that would still be in high school. As for his accent - he speaks English just fine, but how do we know his parents don't speak Russian to him at home? Is this all really that crazy? Are we all just dying for some kind of conspiracy here?
 
What? On a fundamental level, this is completely incorrect. Actually, upon entering uni for example, many of the brighter people struggle because they actually need to start working hard when they could just cruise through earlier education. But many indeed to develop the work ethic necessary. I know so many examples that directly contradict what you're saying that I'm very surprised if that's considered general knowledge. All it takes is one moment where you realize that you actually need to work towards it. Will everyone get it? No, but a good amount will, and like I said, I'd much rather bet on that than bet on a bad player becoming good.

To me, I like to think like: "If he's this good with such a poor work ethic, imagine how good he'll become when he starts putting in the effort". On the other hand, if a player's bad in spite of putting in tons and tons of effort, that's not very promising to me. It's a very shortsighted way of looking at things to assume that people's mentality is fully matured at 18. It won't physiologically be until the 20s. Especially the frontal lobe develops slowly, which indeed is what comes to play for things such as these.

This is also something that I think could be used in lets say draft combine. I would rather take the guy with poor results in combine than the one at the top is they had comparable stats on ice
 
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I dont think the Kings would have taken him in the second round if they really believed he was 20. Dont think he would be even drafted.
I dont understand how its so hard to figure this out, I was watching an interview with him and the journalist was talking to him about him being born in Uzbekistan and he said yes. So, when did they come to US ?

I never heard one scout talk about any fake age conspiracy all year.

I'm not saying the testing is good or bad, but it is funny how dismissive scouts are of actual measured data when it doesn't conform to their eye test.

Statistically, Kaliyev is about as sure thing as there is, so in my opinion, every team that passed on him is somewhat narccistic in their perceieved ability to evaluate talent.

Scouts will dismiss data if they don't trust the source of the data.

I think teams bought into the idea he's Brendl 2.0.

I know scouts who had the Brendl 2.0 take.

Look, it's very easy to post on a message board that "I would've taken him at ___" You have zero skin in the game and I'm guessing you didn't dig into the player or interview him. The team scouts are on 2-3 year contracts and need to pay their mortgage etc.. their name gets attached to the player going forward, good or bad. Can make it harder to find a new team down the road in your career.

Ask yourself why a player with that many goals/points slips through the 1st round? The team who took him had already passed on him twice including once to select a stay at home Dman.(who I like)

Too many red flags = a slide. It was predictable that he would go early 2nd like so many many sliders in years past.

Kings most likely would've had him in the 20's on their list to take him at 33. I'm guessing they probably had him ranked one spot behind Bjornfot. I'd also guess when he slid to 33rd they figured it was a good risk, especially with Turcotte and Bjornfot in the bank. Now if he hits, it's a home run draft, if he busts they probably still come out of the draft ok.
 
I never heard one scout talk about any fake age conspiracy all year.



Scouts will dismiss data if they don't trust the source of the data.



I know scouts who had the Brendl 2.0 take.

Look, it's very easy to post on a message board that "I would've taken him at ___" You have zero skin in the game and I'm guessing you didn't dig into the player or interview him. The team scouts are on 2-3 year contracts and need to pay their mortgage etc.. their name gets attached to the player going forward, good or bad. Can make it harder to find a new team down the road in your career.

Ask yourself why a player with that many goals/points slips through the 1st round? The team who took him had already passed on him twice including once to select a stay at home Dman.(who I like)

Too many red flags = a slide. It was predictable that he would go early 2nd like so many many sliders in years past.

Kings most likely would've had him in the 20's on their list to take him at 33. I'm guessing they probably had him ranked one spot behind Bjornfot. I'd also guess when he slid to 33rd they figured it was a good risk, especially with Turcotte and Bjornfot in the bank. Now if he hits, it's a home run draft, if he busts they probably still come out of the draft ok.

breath of fresh air. Cool takes
 
Actually, playing on the off wing is a help for snipers. They have a better angle to the net. It's most of the other skills that suffer.

I have to say that I am confused as to why he still has an accent, if he did indeed move to the US when he was a toddler, not that it should matter hockey wise. Just seems to be a lot of misinformation on this player.

I’ve never heard him speak but I did know a guy who was born in the States but had a slight European accent because his parents came from there. Kids tend to mimic their parents’ speech.
 
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