I think it's quite a bit more likely that he just doesn't have the type of character that scouts look for (from what they gather from the interview and taking to coaches, etc)
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I think it's quite a bit more likely that he just doesn't have the type of character that scouts look for (from what they gather from the interview and taking to coaches, etc)
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2011-2012 NHLPA Player Poll:
What team would you most like to play on?
1. Chicago Blackhawks 14%
2. Detroit Red Wings 13%
3. Boston Bruins 11%
4. Toronto Maple Leafs 8%
5. Montreal Canadiens 6%
6. Tampa Bay Lightning 5%
Voted by the players themselves.
http://www.playerspoll.ca/results/2...eams/what-team-would-you-most-like-to-play-on
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As have you on twice the place to play.
I doubt a kid from the Quebec Province sandbagged a Montreal interview though.
More likely the Wings wanted to talk about the things he does well and it was a more comfortable conversation. Stressing at the end we are going to work with you on the areas we think need improvement, but we like how you play the game. I don't think they were too invasive, do you want to play for our team? What do you think you bring? He was such a fit for what they needed and wanted, he would have to be very bad to have scared them where they were drafting. But, keep in mind this is a team that convinced Lidstrom to stay at home for the draft ages ago so nobody would realize he had grown a couple inches since most of his scouting was done.
In any event might want to look up where most of the Detroit players live and the fact that most have stayed in the area. Even guys like Yzerman that have left for other jobs have kept their Michigan homes, one of the more shocking ones was Fedorov still owned him Bloomfield Hills home when he was playing in Washington not sure if he has sold it since, but he held onto that for basically an entire decade.
Goes across almost all sports, if Detroit was such a toilet area as is often referenced how come almost all of these millionaire athletes that can live anywhere spend a bulk of their year living in Detroit? Turns out the suburban area of Detroit has some of the best schools (if you had children) and nicest areas to live in the World. Not saying the best, but not the picture often put out by the people that love spreading the logic that nobody should want to live there.
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As have you on twice the place to play.
I doubt a kid from the Quebec Province sandbagged a Montreal interview though.
More likely the Wings wanted to talk about the things he does well and it was a more comfortable conversation.
In any event might want to look up where most of the Detroit players live and the fact that most have stayed in the area. Even guys like Yzerman that have left for other jobs have kept their Michigan homes, one of the more shocking ones was Fedorov still owned him Bloomfield Hills home when he was playing in Washington not sure if he has sold it since, but he held onto that for basically an entire decade.
Goes across almost all sports, if Detroit was such a toilet area as is often referenced how come almost all of these millionaire athletes that can live anywhere spend a bulk of their year living in Detroit? Turns out the suburban area of Detroit has some of the best schools (if you had children) and nicest areas to live in the World. Not saying the best, but not the picture often put out by the people that love spreading the logic that nobody should want to live there.
Some of the suburbs around Detroit are among the wealthiest in the nation. I agree Detroit is, for the most part, a dump but it really pisses me off when people talk about how players won't come to Detroit because of how bad the city is.
As have you on twice the place to play.
Didn't say that my friend. Said Montreal is twice the city Detroit is, which you'd be hard pressed to find someone who would disagree.
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Good thing that's relevant.
Zetterberg40 mentions Montreal as amongst the worst places to play, and this is what you choose to comment on?
I agree though, it isn't overly relevant. Just wanted to mention it to someone who doesn't seem to know anything about the city.
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Not really, I could just look in a mirror and have been both places. That wasn't very pressing at all.
Depends on what you're looking for, I am not a fan of living in European cities and to me Montreal is very European and reminds me of my travels over there. Also, personally I would have a hard time living in an area that spoke french like that for a huge bulk of the year, I know plenty speak English perfectly well, but still it would not be for me.
There are probably plenty of players that have both Montreal and Detroit on their no go list if it is flat out up to them in free agency. Most kids would not take this chance at the draft which was really what we are talking about. However, for everyone that went crazy on Lindros if I held the #1 draft pick card or high pick like Jack Johnson there is a chance I might exert pressure. I feel for Carolina, but this is honestly something I am surprised more kids don't do especially if they have the hype machine early, you could dictate terms, luckily unlike the NFL that can just franchise you until death you can eventually leave, but man putting in well over half a decade of service for that right is pretty rough if you know you can influence it from the get go.
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If you're a bottom six grinder, yeah, playing for Detroit can take awhile. The reason their prospects take a long time is because most of them are projects from the outset. Guys like Nyquist, Tatar, Kindl, and Smith needed two or three years in the minors to be effective NHL players. There are exceptions like DeKeyser, Zetterberg, and Datsyuk that just stepped right in.
A guy like Mantha, however, doesn't have much competition in the top 6. Alfredsson and Bertuzzi will likely be gone in a season or two. So he'll have to battle guys like Abdelkader, Franzen, Nyquist, and Tatar for 1 of the top 4 winger spots in a year or two. If he can't out perform Abdelkader for top 6 minutes then yeah, he'll be back in the minors. I don't think he'll have much trouble, though, unless he can't handle the speed of the NHL.
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Weiss could still round into shape, and he'll have other prospects to fight with, such as Sheahan, Jurco, and Jarnkrok. Nothing is guaranteed. This all said, I think Mantha does a season in Grand Rapids still, unless the team is very desperate for production, regardless.
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Really I wouldn't hesitate. It's def. Grigs pour moi. Grigs tops out as a first line center, and Mantha looks like a one dimensional winger who ,admittedly, scores bucket-fulls. Both should be top six guys...All things being equal centers tend to be more valuable BUT, things dont seem equal somehow...
Partly, it's what my gut is telling me.
Grigs can be electrifying. Mantha makes scoring look easy at times. BUT he also looks lazy + disinterested at other times. Something about him, just brings up red flags/ rubs me the wrong way...Can't quite put my finger on it...
Not a very Cogent argument, granted
Mantha's undoubtedly spending a year in GR. I don't see how he couldn't, unless he magically rounded out his game over the next 8 months.
newfy
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I dunno man, youre right Grigs tops out as a top line center. But he looks just as lazy out there as Mantha (which I think both are overstated a bit) but I would be much more worried about a center being lazy than a winger. Lazy centermen are going to have a hard time in the NHL. I knnow the position is usually more valuable, but thats because they handle defensive responsibility much more. Not sure I would count on Grigs for that
Haha, that actually makes a lot of sense and, thinking about it, it's exactly the strategy I'd use
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Yuk not a big fan of Grigorenko, haven't seen much of him but was not impressed when I have.
Mantha will be a scoring machine. He's a multi-threat offensive talent. He can snipe, he can take defenders wide and make a play at the net, he can play in the corners and protect the puck with his body, and he can play net front and cash in on those ugly goals.
To me Grigs is more of a solid 2C...a 40-60 PPS type player. Good prospect for sure but not top tier imo.
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Haha, that actually makes a lot of sense and, thinking about it, it's exactly the strategy I'd use
Especially because its not like the NFL where getting picked high can land you a lot more cash. All these guys are on the same pay scale. If you have the talent youll make it early and start making the cash sooner but in the end those ELCs are all pretty much the same value
Yeah, I knew as soon as I called Mantha lazy/ disinterested at times, that somebody would counter with that. BUT Grigs , to me, has that WOW factor moreso than Mantha...
SimplySolace
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Why, what did I say about Mantha that doesn't ring true to you? Both have flaws , I just think Grig has a higher ceiling, although maybe less likely to reach it. There's that Russian factor thing that scares some people off...But he also had that cultural adjustment to deal with when playing in the Q...How do u think Mantha would have done playing in Russia as a Jr? Ever think of that?
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I agree even trying to stay as un-biased as I can. that argument makes very little sense. even if I go along with you "Wow Factor"(Which I also don't because from all the footage I've seen Mantha has that Wow factor himself) reasoning I can't realistically see why Mantha playing in Russian Juniors would be even relevant since they both want to end up in the same place. only difference being if Grigs gets upset by management he will be happy to take off to Russia meaning Buffalo wasted a 1st round pick.
now do I think Grigs is going to leave for Russia no, but from the way I have seen him play in the NHL and the limited viewing in the Q and the WJC's he looks in very limited ways better than Mantha being he plays a relative 2-way game. which is basically required for a center. he also looks lazy at times but unlike Mantha who many have pointed out uses this to get into good scoring areas (his numbers more than support this. also look at game 1 in the tournament) but being a center if you play lazy you put your team at risk. Mantha playing the wing gives him more space to quietly blend in and out of the play.
in the end I see Grigs ending up a capable 2nd line center who puts up 50-65 points and 80-90ish in his best years if he has a good winger next to him. and Mantha a top line winger who will score 70-80 points a year and be in the running for a goal scoring title in his best years if he has a good playmaker next to him but even if he made his line by himself. I could see him with 30+ goals and a good chunk of assist.
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