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LW Anthony Mantha - Val d'Or, QMJHL (2013, 20th overall, Detroit)

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Scotty B said:
I remember Daze from our 1995 WJ dream team ( wasn't it? ), He definitely had a knack for scoring, just like Mantha, Big Kid, back issues ruined his career as I recall. But listening to Daze talk, he never sounded very bright. Not so Mantha...
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Daze was and probably would have continued being a pretty good player if his back had not given out on him. Always appreciated watching him on those God awful Hawks squads, guy had a lot of game just couldn't stay healthy.
 
Scotty B said:
WOW...I like Mantha too...a lot...BUT I'll take Grigs without a moments hesitation!
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Theres a lot of people that would disagree. I mean I wouldnt really have a problem with you taking Grigs, Its the without a moments hesitation part thats kind of ridiculous.

You wouldnt take a moment to consider taking the guy who has dominated the Q more and dominated the world juniors more?
 
newfy said:
You wouldnt take a moment to consider taking the guy who has dominated the Q more and dominated the world juniors more?
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You wouldn't take a moment to consider whether or not those are actually meaningful criteria for extrapolating NHL success? It's not exactly a short list of players who have torched the Q and/or the WJCs and gone on to next to nothing at the top level.
 
Ohashi_Jouzu said:
You wouldn't take a moment to consider whether or not those are actually meaningful criteria for extrapolating NHL success? It's not exactly a short list of players who have torched the Q and/or the WJCs and gone on to next to nothing at the top level.
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No I definitely would.

Size - Yep Im not worried about Mantha there, its better than Grigs

Skating - I like Manthas ability to blow around guys wide outside. Both are above average skaters for their size, wouldnt say either is clearly way ahead of the other

Shot - Manthas release is nasty

Passing - Grigs probably has the edge but why is Mantha putting up better numbers this year than Grigs post draft year? I would say the Remparts had better offensive players around him.


Realistically, both these guys have a tone of talent and the only real knock on each is compete level. Mantha to me has shown more wilingness to get physical though. Its a toss up. Since you seem like such an expert why dont you point out the meaningful criteria Mantha is missing that Grigorenko has? It actually is a pretty short list of guys who were first rounders that have dominated the Q and WJC to the extent that Mantha has, especially in more recent years. The list is even shorter when you look at skating ability and the size of Mantha. 6'5 and can skate like that? Not a lot of guys have those two qualities
 
newfy said:
No I definitely would.

Size - Yep Im not worried about Mantha there, its better than Grigs

Skating - I like Manthas ability to blow around guys wide outside. Both are above average skaters for their size, wouldnt say either is clearly way ahead of the other

Shot - Manthas release is nasty

Passing - Grigs probably has the edge but why is Mantha putting up better numbers this year than Grigs post draft year? I would say the Remparts had better offensive players around him.


Realistically, both these guys have a tone of talent and the only real knock on each is compete level. Mantha to me has shown more wilingness to get physical though. Its a toss up. Since you seem like such an expert why dont you point out the meaningful criteria Mantha is missing that Grigorenko has?
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You're getting me wrong. My contention is the criteria, not Grigorenko as a comparable. I think Grigs has twice the "problem" Mantha has when it comes to output (or, more importantly perhaps, "impact") relative to the effort/skill of the team they face, but I think he has more skill. I wouldn't choose either too highly, personally, but the heavier the traffic, the more I actually lean towards Grigorenko for his better skills in tight spaces, I guess.
 
you just went from "without a moments hesitation" to "lean towards grigorenko, I guess"

Either way, both are quite similar in terms of value to me.
 
selected on the tournament all stars team along side Forsberg and Teravainen up front, also named among Canada's top 3 players by his coaches
 
He apparently gave a horrible combine interview and that's why he went where he did. There's a little too much analyzing going on with him at the moment. He puts up points and he's very good at that. He's so good at putting up points that he will carve out an NHL career doing it even if he's terrible at everything else. Does he need to work on other areas of his game? Pretty much all of them. But putting up points is what he does and what he does well.
 
Moskau said:
He apparently gave a horrible combine interview and that's why he went where he did. There's a little too much analyzing going on with him at the moment. He puts up points and he's very good at that. He's so good at putting up points that he will carve out an NHL career doing it even if he's terrible at everything else. Does he need to work on other areas of his game? Pretty much all of them. But putting up points is what he does and what he does well.
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I've actually never heard that before. I know HS had a bad time during that stage but I hadn't heard that in regards to Mantha. He seems pretty willing to learn so that's actually surprising. Anybody have a source?
 
Brandel said:
I've actually never heard that before. I know HS had a bad time during that stage but I hadn't heard that in regards to Mantha. He seems pretty willing to learn so that's actually surprising. Anybody have a source?
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Can't remember who said it and where it was said. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably Grant from the Habs board. Every team asked him about his compete level and defensive play. Once he was asked specifically how his offense would be affected if he started playing better defense. Mantha answered that he'd probably score a few more goals. The scout was pretty upset about it and answered back that you'd score 25 goals or points less.

Can't recall the exact thing but it's along those lines.
 
Brandel said:
I've actually never heard that before. I know HS had a bad time during that stage but I hadn't heard that in regards to Mantha. He seems pretty willing to learn so that's actually surprising. Anybody have a source?
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jfb who follows Buffalo said he gave a horrible interview to Buffalo and was all but off their board. Also a guy in I believe the Montreal media said that Montreal wouldn't take a guy like Mantha in the 1st round due to outside reasons.

A lot of that could be that Buffalo was reported as giving a very unforgiving interview to prospects last year. Mantha seems to be very laid back and passive off the ice as well. Hockey has a lot of old school people in it. Shinkaruk was given negative marks in his interviews because he didn't give cliché answers and said what he was really feeling. I could see Mantha getting bad reviews for not showing any emotion.
 
Mathletic said:
Can't remember who said it and where it was said. If I had to guess I'd say it was probably Grant from the Habs board. Every team asked him about his compete level and defensive play. Once he was asked specifically how his offense would be affected if he started playing better defense. Mantha answered that he'd probably score a few more goals. The scout was pretty upset about it and answered back that you'd score 25 goals or points less.

Can't recall the exact thing but it's along those lines.
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wtf kind of answer is that hahaha

interesting though, thanks guys
 
I thought I read somewhere here at HFBoards that Mantha has finnish roots, Mantha is apparently a finnish last name... is this true? He kind of looks finnish too when you think of it.
 
Brandel said:
wtf kind of answer is that hahaha

interesting though, thanks guys
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Depends how you see the question I guess. If he interpreted that starting to play better defense meant what would happen if he became better defensively, aka developped some Datsyukian defensive hockey sense, I can understand that he would think that it would help him score more goal as he would be in the offensive zone even more.
 
Moskau said:
He apparently gave a horrible combine interview and that's why he went where he did. There's a little too much analyzing going on with him at the moment. He puts up points and he's very good at that. He's so good at putting up points that he will carve out an NHL career doing it even if he's terrible at everything else. Does he need to work on other areas of his game? Pretty much all of them. But putting up points is what he does and what he does well.
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I don't doubt this at all, but it's funny how these things work out. Apparently after Mantha's interview with the Wings, they told him to his face that they were going to draft him.

Just goes to show that a guy doesn't always interview the same with different teams.
 
Makes you wonder if players sand-bag interviews with certain teams because they just dont want to play for them, then interview properly with other teams that they want.

Example, if i was a FOR SURE top 40 prospect, like Mantha. What does he have to lose? If you dont want to play for the Isles, Buffalos or Montreals of the world.. just say some stupid ****... then when a team like Chicago, Detroit or someone else asks you stuff and you answer it properly.. you're set? Worse case scenario is you drop a few and still get picked by a squad you didnt want. Either way, you're drafted.

I personally dont see it as a negative but maybe its a strategy... hell, idk.
 
JAVO16 said:
Depends how you see the question I guess. If he interpreted that starting to play better defense meant what would happen if he became better defensively, aka developped some Datsyukian defensive hockey sense, I can understand that he would think that it would help him score more goal as he would be in the offensive zone even more.
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I actually do think better in zone coverage could lead to better offense, his transition defense should always be interesting because he moves around to create some of his offense. As long as he is willing to backcheck and I think he does this better than some claim especially when he realizes it is his guy in transition. However, in his own zone his tendency to wander deprives him of some his chances to get his wing span and speed around the D for breakaways is hurt. Not to mention if he could help his team get out of the D zone quicker he would have more offensive opportunities.

It could not work out that way of course, but there is a chance his offense would actually increase even if that does sound odd.
 
zetterberg40 said:
Makes you wonder if players sand-bag interviews with certain teams because they just dont want to play for them, then interview properly with other teams that they want.

Example, if i was a FOR SURE top 40 prospect, like Mantha. What does he have to lose? If you dont want to play for the Isles, Buffalos or Montreals of the world.. just say some stupid ****... then when a team like Chicago, Detroit or someone else asks you stuff and you answer it properly.. you're set? Worse case scenario is you drop a few and still get picked by a squad you didnt want. Either way, you're drafted.

I personally dont see it as a negative but maybe its a strategy... hell, idk.
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Interesting thought. I imagine that could be the case.
 
zetterberg40 said:
Makes you wonder if players sand-bag interviews with certain teams because they just dont want to play for them, then interview properly with other teams that they want.

Example, if i was a FOR SURE top 40 prospect, like Mantha. What does he have to lose? If you dont want to play for the Isles, Buffalos or Montreals of the world.. just say some stupid ****... then when a team like Chicago, Detroit or someone else asks you stuff and you answer it properly.. you're set? Worse case scenario is you drop a few and still get picked by a squad you didnt want. Either way, you're drafted.

I personally dont see it as a negative but maybe its a strategy... hell, idk.
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Montreal is twice the city that Detroit is, and is definitely a top 10 destination for players ( top 5 if I recall in a poll from a few years ago)
 
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