LW Anthony Mantha - Val d'Or, QMJHL (2013, 20th overall, Detroit)

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Val d'Or wins it in OT after Sherbrooke came back up. Mantha ends the night with 3 goals and 2 assists (+4).

Jérémy Roy is awesome too. Already 10 points in 12 games for a rookie d-man.

Yep the 2013 Q draft class looks pretty strong out of the gate. Sprong, Noel, Brisebois, Gauthier & I'm sure others are all off to pretty good starts for 97s.

If you were watching the game how is Mantha's defensive & compete level coming along?
 
Yep the 2013 Q draft class looks pretty strong out of the gate. Sprong, Noel, Brisebois, Gauthier & I'm sure others are all off to pretty good starts for 97s.

If you were watching the game how is Mantha's defensive & compete level coming along?

I only watched part of the game and went out for a walk as it was becoming a blowout. That said, Mantha doesn't spend a lot of time in his own zone to begin with. Even when he's on the PK sometimes you wonder who has the man advantage.

That said, I'll speak in general for his game without the puck. I won't lie, I'm a Mantha fan, so there's some bias to begin with here. I always thought his defensive game was fine for an offensive guy. Main problem I had was that at times he was all over the place in his own end. He's a good skater and he wants the puck. So it's not rare to see him go basically to the other side of the ice to get the pass from his d. That said, not as bad this year.

Honestly, I can't say I see him float around. When his line loses the puck he comes back to help his teammates. He'll put pressure on the other team when their D control the play.

One thing he won't do is play a consistent physical game. Personally, and that's probably where a lot of people will disagree with me. I have zero problem with that. Every game I watch him play there's always that moment when he could hit a guy and he just skates away and gets back toward the puck.

I'm not a big believer in finishing checks. I'm a believer in forechecking and forcing d-men to make plays. If hitting a guy helps you retrieve the puck then fine, if not, I think it's pretty useless.

Not long ago I watched him play against the Remparts and there was that moment when I thought. Oh well, if those people who don't like him would have seen that play they would all go:"kid is so soft" or what have you. Remparts D had the puck in his own end, Mantha skated towards him to force him to make a play. As the guy let his pass go, Mantha skated by and got back to the neutral zone.

It just so happens that he forced the D to commit a turnover and Mantha made it back out of the zone just quick enough so he could get the puck back. Then took a massive shot to beat the goalie.

That's just an example to show you that I really don't see him as a slacker. He's involved in the play and he'll force the other team to make plays but he won't go crazy and hit everything that moves. That's just not his game. If at the draft he went to a team that wanted him to play that game, then he would have had a much higher chance of busting because that's just not his game. I'm confident the Wings will simply let him play his game. Polish his defensive game and work with who he is as a player rather forcing him to be something he's not.

Kid just has a monster shot. On most goals, goalies simply have no shot to make saves. Again against the Remparts, on the PP, through traffic he rifled a one-timer top corner. When I saw him do that, I just had a quick smirk and went wow.

He finds the open spot really quickly. Personally, I have to problem with his competitiveness. He'll cut to the net, very good along the boards to protect the puck. Only knock for some will be the physical play. Anyways, personally I just love him as a player and love him even more for all the crap he took last year. Looks like a great guy too. Makes good interviews and only heard good things about him in Val d'Or.
 
Haha can we dream?

Most goals, one season
1st - 133 - Mario Lemieux, Laval Voisins, 1983–84 (70 games)
2nd - 130 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1970–71 (62 games)
4th - 104 - Pat LaFontaine, Verdun Juniors, 1982–83 (70 games)
5th - 103 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1969–70 (56 games)
6th - 100 - Gary MacGregor, Cornwall Royals ,1973–74 (66 games)
 
Haha can we dream?

Most goals, one season
1st - 133 - Mario Lemieux, Laval Voisins, 1983–84 (70 games)
2nd - 130 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1970–71 (62 games)
4th - 104 - Pat LaFontaine, Verdun Juniors, 1982–83 (70 games)
5th - 103 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1969–70 (56 games)
6th - 100 - Gary MacGregor, Cornwall Royals ,1973–74 (66 games)

He has 16 goals in 9 games or a 1.78 goal per game average. Assuming that he misses 5? games for the world juniors he'd be on pace for 112 goals right now. I'm not sure 80, 90 or 100 are realistically attainable but he could be able to get 70. Does anyone know the last player who scored 70+ goals in the CHL was?
 
He has 16 goals in 9 games or a 1.78 goal per game average. Assuming that he misses 5? games for the world juniors he'd be on pace for 112 goals right now. I'm not sure 80, 90 or 100 are realistically attainable but he could be able to get 70. Does anyone know the last player who scored 70+ goals in the CHL was?

In recent years, outside of the overage players in the Q, Radulov scored 61 goals in 62 games back in 2005-2006 and Crosby scored 66 in 62 back in 2004-2005.
 
Oh okay, but what if they picked 20 and wings 21, would they still have went with Gauthier? Also... if they were high on mantha, what prevented them from trading up just one position, wouldn't have cost much...

I'm not a Leafs fan so I can only speculate but they may picked for need as they needed a center prospect & still take Gauthier over Mantha. As for the trading up I don't know what the price was to move up by the Sharks had to give up the #55 overall pick to move up 2 spots so one could assume that the Leafs didn't feel the price was worth it.
 
Haha can we dream?

Most goals, one season
1st - 133 - Mario Lemieux, Laval Voisins, 1983–84 (70 games)
2nd - 130 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1970–71 (62 games)
4th - 104 - Pat LaFontaine, Verdun Juniors, 1982–83 (70 games)
5th - 103 - Guy Lafleur, Quebec Remparts, 1969–70 (56 games)
6th - 100 - Gary MacGregor, Cornwall Royals ,1973–74 (66 games)

:amazed: That's insane loll, and that year he averaged 4 points per game
 
He has 16 goals in 9 games or a 1.78 goal per game average. Assuming that he misses 5? games for the world juniors he'd be on pace for 112 goals right now. I'm not sure 80, 90 or 100 are realistically attainable but he could be able to get 70. Does anyone know the last player who scored 70+ goals in the CHL was?

Tavares I think. He has 72 in his second season in the OHL.
 
Nice work. Hopefully, he will not end like this guy - Simon Gamache

2000/2001 Val-d'Or Foreurs - 72 games 74 + 110 = 184 points | Playoffs 21 games 22 + 35 = 57 points

NHL record - 48 games 6 + 7 = 13 points
 
Nice work. Hopefully, he will not end like this guy - Simon Gamache

2000/2001 Val-d'Or Foreurs - 72 games 74 + 110 = 184 points | Playoffs 21 games 22 + 35 = 57 points

NHL record - 48 games 6 + 7 = 13 points

5'10 versus 6'5, only that stat will make a huge difference. Small players from the Q hardly ever materialize in high-end nhl players.
 
While this is definitely a hot streak, it's not like it's just Anthony. This is Val D'Or as a team playing really well. Makes you wonder if his previous season was what he could do with an okay team and these totals are closer (but again, still inflated) to what he can do with the right support group. He certainly has no problem with stepping up and being the guy to carry the team.

Look at the numbers Drouin put up last season playing with Mackinnon and Frk and vice versa. If Mantha played on that line last year, he wouldn't have made it past Florida. That said, 6'5" players usually take awhile longer to produce at NHL levels. Mantha however adjusts to the speed of the game well. Guys like Domi will be helped by another year in the CHL. I'm not sure how this year is going to play out for Mantha though. He's NHL ready but with Detroits logjam, they didn't have a choice. These situations should offer an out for a team to send a player to the Swiss league, etc.

What we do know is World Juniors should show off some great players this year for sure. I'm not sure who's going to match up with him on the US side.
 
5'10 versus 6'5, only that stat will make a huge difference. Small players from the Q hardly ever materialize in high-end nhl players.

Interesting. I looked to the best QMJHL seasons and found something amazing. When we throw away all players, that were big stars in NHL (Lemieux, Lafontaine, Lafleur, Robitaille...), there are still many of them with great numbers. But they never make any big NHL career. And every player is smaller that 6 foot, or 180 cm.
 
Interesting. I looked to the best QMJHL seasons and found something amazing. When we throw away all players, that were big stars in NHL (Lemieux, Lafontaine, Lafleur, Robitaille...), there are still many of them with great numbers. But they never make any big NHL career. And every player is smaller that 6 foot, or 180 cm.

I suppose that is hardly much different from other Major Junior leagues though. The QMHL has just had more major point producers, because it used to be a lot more skewed towards offense, and less about physical play, thus a more conducive environment for undersized players with technical gifts.
I think today the difference to the OHL and WHL is markedly smaller than what reputations would suggest though.
 
I suppose that is hardly much different from other Major Junior leagues though. The QMHL has just had more major point producers, because it used to be a lot more skewed towards offense, and less about physical play, thus a more conducive environment for undersized players with technical gifts.
I think today the difference to the OHL and WHL is markedly smaller than what reputations would suggest though.

This. By far. The Q is better than it used to be so we don't see the crazy stat player falling flat in his face like it used to be. His size has been mentioned quite a bit and it should be. He's not the historical Q guy who we used to see. Mantha is the real deal. There's going to be many teams who are going to kick themselves because they listened to a couple of the good ole Boy Scouts who put down certain traits of his.
 
to be fair he was only at 15.5% last year when he scored 50 so it's quite the jump

that said he's also shooting a lot more than last year and even with a much more modest shooting % jump to say 20% he would still be leading the league in goals by 2 or 3

It's a big jump but 15 percent isn't a low shooting perentage. He also shot 16 percent the year before on over 130 shots, so he has a good track record of solid shooting. Even if he regresses on his shooting percentage (which is likely), at his current average shots per game level (7), he'll hit 68 goals.

And is certainly possible he could hover around 20 percent this year.
 
Nice work. Hopefully, he will not end like this guy - Simon Gamache

2000/2001 Val-d'Or Foreurs - 72 games 74 + 110 = 184 points | Playoffs 21 games 22 + 35 = 57 points

NHL record - 48 games 6 + 7 = 13 points

Thomas Beauregard scored 71 goals in 69 games, as well. The Q has changed. Not everyone is scoring at an insane rate.

The closest to him is Jeremy Gregoire with 12 goals in 10 games. His pace will drop off very soon, though.
 
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