LW Anthony Mantha (2013, 20th, DET) II

[nbwingsfan]

According to a certain poster who keeps popping up here, small sample sizes of Mantha playing well don't count so I'm sure he will say the hat-trick doesn't count.

He's made some very big strides in his game in basically all categories this season.

 

[Mathletic]

watching him shoot the puck never gets old for me

 

[Claypool]

Anyone remember that hype train during and after the juniors this guy had more value on this forum than #1D, Legit first liners, top prospects. Funny stuff.

A 6'5, 200 pound winger that led the CHL in goals, scoring, and won Player of the Year was absolutely worthy of the hype.

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

A 6'5, 200 pound winger that led the CHL in goals, scoring, and won Player of the Year was absolutely worthy of the hype.

And you take that player and make him consistent on the ice, effort-wise, and in his own zone, which is what has happened this year. That's still a very impressive prospect.

Well, unless you think his offense has dried up. But I think he's shown enough offense in the last 3 years to put himself beyond that kind of criticism.

 

[LarKing]

According to a certain poster who keeps popping up here, small sample sizes of Mantha playing well don't count so I'm sure he will say the hat-trick doesn't count.

He's made some very big strides in his game in basically all categories this season.

They'll be back the second Mantha goes through struggles again. Count on it. I've never seen somebody obsess over another team's prospect in such a negative way before.

 

[sabresfan129103]

I haven't watched his game since he has been in the AHL, but I know some people were a little disappointed he didn't dominate the AHL last year. It looks like he has adjusted even more this year, so that's a very good sign. The Wings like to slow cook their prospects anyways, so he wasn't going to see NHL action for a while in any case.

 

[Tatar Shots]

According to a certain poster who keeps popping up here, small sample sizes of Mantha playing well don't count so I'm sure he will say the hat-trick doesn't count.

He's made some very big strides in his game in basically all categories this season.

When you take out all of his good point producing games and prorate the stretches of games he didn't produce well in, he hasn't produced well at all. I don't see what is so hard to understand from that.

 

[Volica]

A 6'5, 200 pound winger that led the CHL in goals, scoring, and won Player of the Year was absolutely worthy of the hype.

I thought the powerhouse known as Connor Brown won that distinctive award

Big boys tend to dominate the junior hockey leagues, Player of the Year is pretty much Bust or Star; so you're a gamblin' man I see

I could understand though; this guy's going to be a good NHL'er once that entire game comes together. But that Hype was unreal. On the trade forum, there were probably a dozen active Mantha to X threads.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Anyone remember that hype train during and after the juniors this guy had more value on this forum than #1D, Legit first liners, top prospects. Funny stuff.

I really don't think that's true. He had hype but more than #1D? Nah.

 

[Riellyfan04]

mantha hype reminds me of Joe Colborne when Boston had him lol

 

[Passchendaele]

Best case scenario, he is a 6'5" Michael Ryder. Scores 30 yearly but doesn't drive the offense. Not a franchise player.

 

[white galaxy*]

mantha hasnt displayed the motor/energy and strength to dominate at pro level

but he has displayed soft hands - good speed - smarts - serious wrister

he just turned 21 . at 6'5'' it could be a case of it taking him longer to grow into his body . plus because of his size when younger he could get by without training elite level hard and maybe developed bad training habits

so yes as of now he doesnt look to be more than a middle six 60 point player max .
but give him two years to develop physically and see .
yes hes not an elite prospect now , but theres several rock solid factors about him which say you cant count him out of a top 6 role yet

 

[Michael Brand Eggs]

The thing about the AHL is it really rewards scrambly, high-energy play. Guys don't have the skill to consistently make clean breakouts, for example, and the guys who best capitalize on breakdowns succeed. So sometimes you end up with players who are kind of ill-suited to the AHL game and the random battles, but would do better in the more structured NHL game. I think Mantha is that type of guy.

He probably needs another year in the A, though. He's been really good this year, but he can take it to another level. He's finally gotten his feet moving and his defense mostly sorted out. Now he has to integrate that with his offensive game in a more consistent way.

 

[ricky0034]

mantha hasnt displayed the motor/energy and strength to dominate at pro level

but he has displayed soft hands - good speed - smarts - serious wrister

he just turned 21 . at 6'5'' it could be a case of it taking him longer to grow into his body . plus because of his size when younger he could get by without training elite level hard and maybe developed bad training habits

so yes as of now he doesnt look to be more than a middle six 60 point player max .
but give him two years to develop physically and see .
yes hes not an elite prospect now , but theres several rock solid factors about him which say you cant count him out of a top 6 role yet

it's amazing how much some people underestimate what 60 points is

60 points is middle six? that's top 50 in the NHL level production doing that consistently would easily make someone a first liner

 

[Tatar Shots]

Best case scenario, he is a 6'5" Michael Ryder. Scores 30 yearly but doesn't drive the offense. Not a franchise player.

No one was ever expecting a franchise player. A consistent 30-30 guy would, and always has been, a very good outcome.

 

[GTA]

No one was ever expecting a franchise player. A consistent 30-30 guy would, and always has been, a very good outcome.

Seriously? Check back to the Mantha threads during his last junior year and say that again with a straight face.

God I hate apologists for their fanbase.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Seriously? Check back to the Mantha threads during his last junior year and say that again with a straight face.

God I hate apologists for their fanbase.

Really don't remember many, if anyone, calling him a franchise type player. The large majority of people had him pegged as a 30-30 guy with an occasional 40 goal season.

 

[Tatar Shots]

Seriously? Check back to the Mantha threads during his last junior year and say that again with a straight face.

God I hate apologists for their fanbase.

Well I hate people who have no clue what a franchise player is. How many franchise wingers are there in the NHL? Guys like Ovie, Kane, Benn, Tarasenko, etc. I never thought Mantha would be close to any of those guys and very, very few people would have said this. A consistent 30 goal scored would have made him one of the top goal scorers in the league. And again, that was, and still is, a very good outcome for Mantha.

 

[Tripod]

it's amazing how much some people underestimate what 60 points is

60 points is middle six? that's top 50 in the NHL level production doing that consistently would easily make someone a first liner

This needs to be seen more than 1 time.

45 points for wingers is 1st line production....sad but true. It's low end, but if you get 45 points, you don't have 30 guys better than you point wise.

Mantha could still end up with JVR type production.

 

[TheDangler*]

I've never thought he was a franchise type player, but he is a solid prospect. He's having a good season and with the way Detroit "slow cooks" their prospects the kids going to be fine whenever he hits the NHL leve.

 

[Pyromaniac]

Seriously? Check back to the Mantha threads during his last junior year and say that again with a straight face.

God I hate apologists for their fanbase.

People were saying he would go top 10 in a redraft. You are right the hype was absolutely out of control. "81 goals in 81 games, lock to be top goal scorer" is all we heard. But then that usually happens when a team has a mediocre prospect pool, a guy having a successful junior season gets over hyped.

 

[nbwingsfan]

People were saying he would go top 10 in a redraft. You are right the hype was absolutely out of control. "81 goals in 81 games, lock to be top goal scorer" is all we heard. But then that usually happens when a team has a mediocre prospect pool, a guy having a successful junior season gets over hyped.

After that 81 goal season he absolutely would have gone top 10 in a redraft, just like you have countless Leafs fans saying Nylander would go top 3-5 despite not playing a single NHL game.

Also are you really criticizing the Wings drafting and development? Pretty sure every team strives to be like us considering we always have a solid prospect pool despite always being a playoff team.

 

[93LEAFS]

Well I hate people who have no clue what a franchise player is. How many franchise wingers are there in the NHL? Guys like Ovie, Kane, Benn, Tarasenko, etc. I never thought Mantha would be close to any of those guys and very, very few people would have said this. A consistent 30 goal scored would have made him one of the top goal scorers in the league. And again, that was, and still is, a very good outcome for Mantha.

I'd add Perry, D. Sedin, Nash, are or atleast recently were considered franchise guys, Gaudreau and Hall are pretty close.

After that 81 goal season he absolutely would have gone top 10 in a redraft, just like you have countless Leafs fans saying Nylander would go top 3-5 despite not playing a single NHL game.

Also are you really criticizing the Wings drafting and development? Pretty sure every team strives to be like us considering we always have a solid prospect poop despite always being a playoff team.

I make spelling and grammatical mistakes all the time here, but this one is amazing

 

[nbwingsfan]

I'd add Perry, D. Sedin, Nash, are or atleast recently were considered franchise guys, Gaudreau and Hall are pretty close.


I make spelling and grammatical mistakes all the time here, but this one is amazing

Thank you for catching that for me.

 

[Pyromaniac]

After that 81 goal season he absolutely would have gone top 10 in a redraft, just like you have countless Leafs fans saying Nylander would go top 3-5 despite not playing a single NHL game.

Also are you really criticizing the Wings drafting and development? Pretty sure every team strives to be like us considering we always have a solid prospect pool despite always being a playoff team.

No and it's not even debatable. That 2015 draft was so strong that it was a ludicrous suggestion at the time and looks even more horrible today.

No, just the prospect pool at the time which while decent lacked top tier talent. It is quite likely the reason why people were more susceptible to the hype. I don't blame Wings fans, any other fan base would likely have reacted the same. Perhaps the word "mediocre" is a bit harsh. To be honest I can't even remember which of the Wings prospects had already graduated that year.