LW Anthony Mantha (2013, 20th, DET) II

[Claypool]

If Wings fans want to hold onto some hope because of five pre-season games though, go ahead.

Seems like more Leafs' fans are more worried about Mantha's progression than Wings' fans.

 

[KGL]

It means nothing compared to the NHL, but not compared to the AHL.

Considering Mantha has two point this season, looks like it means nothing in the AHL as well. Alex Khokhlachev had two points in the preseason, went on to put up 13 points in 10 games in the AHL.

Seems like more Leafs' fans are more worried about Mantha's progression than Wings' fans.

Can't discuss a player because I'm a Leafs fan? Go away.

 

[Laser Rayzor]

"Oh someone bumped the Mantha thread let me check that out......."

 

[Claypool]

Can't discuss a player because I'm a Leafs fan? Go away.

You're not discussing anything at all. You're saying Mantha is trash is won't amount to anything in the NHL. Thanks for the insight and perspective.

 

[KGL]

You're not discussing anything at all. You're saying Mantha is trash is won't amount to anything in the NHL. Thanks for the insight and perspective.

You clearly didn't even read my posts. How sad. Never said anything of the sort. Please read before posting next.

 

[GoAwayDanCleary]

ITT: A whole lot of denial. He just doesn't look like an NHL top 6 talent.

Your ignorance is showing.

 

[Unbiased]

Late 1st round talent looking like a late 1st round talent. Not the elite winger he was being deemed by so many.

 

[DanZ]

Considering Mantha has two point this season, looks like it means nothing in the AHL as well. Alex Khokhlachev had two points in the preseason, went on to put up 13 points in 10 games in the AHL.

And some players play in the NHL and then go to the KHL and produce less points. KHL>>NHL?? Your anecdotal evidence is useless.

 

[Frolov 6'3]

Mantha had a sick pre-season playing against NHL players.

This is the stuff people get so tired of. This exaggeration. Why not 'good' or ''didnt look out of place". No lets make a statement "sick''.


Jon Sim was the King of pre season.

 

[Pavels Dog]

I look forward to this thread once the Griffins sh% normalizes.

 

[Claypool]

I look forward to this thread once the Griffins sh% normalizes.

Bob Kaiser (Griffins play-by-play) just tweeted this out.

 

[KGL]

And some players play in the NHL and then go to the KHL and produce less points. KHL>>NHL?? Your anecdotal evidence is useless.

You're missing the point. But believe whatever you want. You're totally right, five preseasons games are totally a great predictor. Much better idea of how good a player is than 85 AHL games.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Mantha was terrible in preseason but putting up great numbers in the AHL, Red Wings fans would be saying preseason doesn't matter and the larger sample size of 85 AHL games are a better predictor.

 

[Pavels Dog]

You're missing the point. But believe whatever you want. You're totally right, five preseasons games are totally a great predictor. Much better idea of how good a player is than 85 AHL games.

If the shoe was on the other foot and Mantha was terrible in preseason but putting up great numbers in the AHL, Red Wings fans would be saying preseason doesn't matter and the larger sample size of 85 AHL games are a better predictor.

Honest question: do you think believe he and the team will keep shooting at <5% all season?

He is playing better than last year, that is why people think these 7 games can't be lumped together with last season. He is shooting more, working harder, playing better defense and looking stronger physically. The points will most likely come.

 

[KGL]

Honest question: do you think believe he and the team will keep shooting at >5% all season?

He is playing better than last year, that is why people think these 7 games can't be lumped together with last season. He is shooting more, working harder, playing better defense and looking stronger physically. The points will most likely come.

Of course not. That's an unsustainably low shooting percentage, it'll go up, guaranteed. He's on pace for just over 20 points, it's extremely unlikely he puts up that few. However, is he going to put up more than the 33 he put up last season? And if so how many more? Often times PPG is what players get to when they're ready to make the jump, I can't see him being anywhere close to PPG even after his shooting percentage comes up. If he manages something like 40 points or so, that's an improvement, but not enough to make him look like a top line potential player.

 

[Dotter]

Yes, IF he can't produce at the AHL level. IF, being an important word. So far he hasn't, that can change.

Once again, pre season isn't against NHL players exclusively. Not sure how that is so difficult to understand.

Also, once again, not just a seven game sample size, last season he didn't put up very many points either. Excuses, excuses, excuses, that's all I'm seeing here. Fact of the matter is he was drafted for scoring, he isn't providing that. Enjoy living in a fantasy land where he's still a guaranteed top line offensive 50 goal scoring NHLer though.

If Mantha is playing poorly and had a poor pre season, and was a defensman prospect, I'd be worried.

But since Mantha is playing really good in the AHL , had a sick pre season and is a 6'5 forward, I feel pretty darn confident with his development as Detroit have an amazing track record drafting and developing top 6 forwards. Mantha is just the best winger DRW drafted since I don't know when. I trust the system over what Stat watchers try and sell as facts.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

He's definitely struggling offensively at least. His AHL numbers raise some red flags but way to soon to write him off as a prospect. Even if the offence doesn't come, he looks like the type of player who can adapt his game to be a solid third liner which is decent value for a pick in the 20's. Just was overhyped early on that's all.

 

[KGL]

If Mantha is playing poorly and had a poor pre season, and was a defensman prospect, I'd be worried.

But since Mantha is playing really good in the AHL , had a sick pre season and is a 6'5 forward, I feel pretty darn confident with his development as Detroit have an amazing track record drafting and developing top 6 forwards. Mantha is just the best winger DRW drafted since I don't know when. I trust the system over what Stat watchers try and sell as facts.

Stats aren't facts now? Okay, another great post buddy.

 

[Pavels Dog]

Of course not. That's an unsustainably low shooting percentage, it'll go up, guaranteed. He's on pace for just over 20 points, it's extremely unlikely he puts up that few. However, is he going to put up more than the 33 he put up last season? And if so how many more? Often times PPG is what players get to when they're ready to make the jump, I can't see him being anywhere close to PPG even after his shooting percentage comes up. If he manages something like 40 points or so, that's an improvement, but not enough to make him look like a top line potential player.

Eh, that's nothing but speculation and a very pessimistic outlook. 40 point season would be very disappointing for sure. His 33 points last year was with a bad injury to start out and without top line or top PP minutes. This year he's healthy and will get those big minutes. It's very easy to overreact to a poor start (production-wise), but the fact that the entire team is under-producing makes me a lot less worried about Mantha.

 

[tfong]

Maybe someone watching GR games can give us a little more insight on whats going on with him?

 

[KGL]

Eh, that's nothing but speculation and a very pessimistic outlook. 40 point season would be very disappointing for sure. His 33 points last year was with a bad injury to start out and without top line or top PP minutes. This year he's healthy and will get those big minutes. It's very easy to overreact to a poor start (production-wise), but the fact that the entire team is under-producing makes me a lot less worried about Mantha.

Just ran a few numbers. If he sustains his current shot rate and raises his shooting percentage to what it was last season, while putting up somewhere around the same number of assists as he did last season, he would end up with somewhere around...40 points. And that's if he plays around 70 games, therefore more than he did last season.

 

[LarKing]

Maybe someone watching GR games can give us a little more insight on whats going on with him?

You mean the majority of wings fans in this thread? We have been giving our insight, but the leafs fans say we should worry so I guess that's what we'll have to do

On a serious note, I am loving this Wings vs. Leafs HF rivalry, need to get it to translate to the actual teams more and it's got some serious potential for hatred here.

 

[LarKing]

Just ran a few numbers. If he sustains his current shot rate and raises his shooting percentage to what it was last season, while putting up somewhere around the same number of assists as he did last season, he would end up with somewhere around...40 points. And that's if he plays around 70 games, therefore more than he did last season.

Wanna post these numbers instead of just saying "around 40 points". That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your math skills here. I'm not saying you're wrong either, would just like to see the math you did.

 

[KGL]

Wanna post these numbers instead of just saying "around 40 points". That doesn't exactly inspire confidence in your math skills here. I'm not saying you're wrong either, would just like to see the math you did.

Sure.

Shots this season: 21 (in 7 games played)
Shooting percentage last season: 10.7%
Did it over the course of 70 games (so just multiple by 10 to go from 7gp to 70gp)

21 x 10 = 210 shots over the course of the season.
10.7% of 210 = 22.47 (round down to 22)

Assists last season = 18 (.29 assists per game)

.29 x 70 = 20.3 (round down to 20)

22 goals + 20 assists + 2 point he has this season = 44 points over the course of 77 games (Which there are only 76 games in an AHL season)

Hopefully my math is correct, I'm certainly no mathematician and it could be off.

 

[Red Piller]

Every single thread with leaf fans in it involves bickering and mud slinging. Every. Single. Thread. Its pretty pointless to try to prove your point to dregs and know nothings.

 

[KGL]

Every single thread with leaf fans in it involves bickering and mud slinging. Every. Single. Thread. Its pretty pointless to try to prove your point to dregs and know nothings.

Mud slinging? What are you even talking about? Did you even bother to read my posts? I'm presenting facts and stats, not slinging mud. Maybe read before posting, buddy.