LW Alexander Holtz - (2020, 7th, NJD)

[Forge]

Definitely interesting to see how well Holtz is producing right now. And not to compare him or anything, but he has 11 in 14 while Raymond appears to have 12 in 19. I definitely thought that Raymond would be outproducing Holtz this year, but right now it doesn't seem so. Is there any particular reason for this that I might not be aware of. It seems as well that Raymond is on a far better team than Holtz is as well, so I would not have expected Holtz to be performing this well. How are Raymond's linemates in comparison to Holtz's, as it seems like he has been playing well with fellow 18-year-old William Eklund. And Holtz's shooting luck has been pretty bad lately. I feel like for all of his past four games he has either been like robbed or rang one of the pipes, but he is still shooting the puck at a high volume which is good to see. The goals will come for him.

This can certainly be something that works in Holtz's favor. Worse team, they are both elite talents, but Holtz has less viable players to compete with for premium minutes. I'm assuming, for example, that Holtz probably plays more each game in total time on the ice, and I would assume gets superior power play time. Secondarily, though Frolunda is a beast, Holtz may still be playing with better actual players than Raymond is if Holtz is on the top line and Raymond is on the third line, for example.

I'm honestly not all that surprised by this, and I wouldn't be surprised if they both went to the NHL next year and Holtz out produced him again. That's the one thing Holtz does without fail. That's his thing and always has been. In terms of point production, I think a lot of people viewed Raymond as further away from his peak than most in that top 7 or so and someone who'd be much more of a slow burn. I wouldn't be surprised if it took until D+3 year for Raymond's production to catch up to Holtz's, and honestly, I wouldn't be completely shocked if it never did fully (outside of a few random seasons). If Holtz becomes Phil Kessel more so than Laine, putting up multiple 80+ point seasons, that's not exactly the easiest production to match year on year, and Holtz will continue to progress just as Raymond will. He could easily surpassed the initial estimated development that people saw in him.

 

[theslatcher]

This can certainly be something that works in Holtz's favor. Worse team, they are both elite talents, but Holtz has less viable players to compete with for premium minutes. I'm assuming, for example, that Holtz probably plays more each game in total time on the ice, and I would assume gets superior power play time.

Raymond gets 6 seconds more PP time per game, so virtually the same. Raymond gets to play with superior players on the PP, and a coach that, well, isn't whatever Djurgården has for a PP coach. Raymond has 7 PPP's so far, while Holtz, & Eklund have recorded 2, & 1 respectively with their last one's being from today.

Holtz, & Eklund get around 2:30 more time on even strength, though, due to having the chance to prove that they deserve those minutes(and succeeding at that).

Secondarily, though Frolunda is a beast, Holtz may still be playing with better actual players than Raymond is if Holtz is on the top line and Raymond is on the third line, for example.

Raymond, & his linemates are supposed to make up the best line Frölunda has, but it just hasn't really worked, though their ES production seem to be on the upswing as of late.

 

[Forge]

Raymond gets 6 seconds more PP time per game, so virtually the same. Raymond gets to play with superior players on the PP, and a coach that, well, isn't whatever Djurgården has for a PP coach. Raymond has 7 PPP's so far, while Holtz, & Eklund have recorded 2, & 1 respectively with their last one's being from today.

Holtz, & Eklund get around 2:30 more time on even strength, though, due to having the chance to prove that they deserve those minutes(and succeeding at that).


Raymond, & his linemates are supposed to make up the best line Frölunda has, but it just hasn't really worked, though their ES production seem to be on the upswing as of late.

Good info. I was trying to find a place where I could get the info for some of this, but was unsuccessful (as you can tell).

 

[MichaelFarrell]

If people don’t call him “Hot Sauce” Holtz I’ll be very disappointed.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

If people don’t call him “Hot Sauce” Holtz I’ll be very disappointed.

Holtz my beer

 

[My3Sons]

Holtz my beer

Hey at least give me credit if you are going to recycle my stuff.

 

[Jerzey Devil]

Hey at least give me credit if you are going to recycle my stuff.

Didn’t see you post it but you can have it. Maybe I had seen it but forgot and it subliminally came back to me.

 

[seadawg]

No Limit Holtz 'Em

 

[TheUnseenHand]

Y'all gonna get Holtzy and like it!

 

[Reddawg]

Y'all gonna get Holtzy and like it!

Gettin’ Holtzy With it (na na na na nana na...)

 

[KovalSNIPE]

Ehhh caufield is close and I’m sure there are others. Holtz is up there though

Caufield is a bit more accurate but he doesn't have near the velocity Holtz has.

 

[TorontoMedia]

Caufield is a bit more accurate but he doesn't have near the velocity Holtz has.

His one timer has the most velocity I’ve seen since ovi... wrister however yeah. He’s not close to holtz in terms of power thete

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Gettin’ Holtzy With it (na na na na nana na...)

Lucas Raymond scored another goal? Alexander says "Holtz my beer"

 

[canuckking1]

Holtz showing he’s better than Raymond today.

 

[NJ DevLolz]

Finished the Holtz-Raymond Derby with 2 goals and 4 shots in just over 13 minutes

 

[Reddawg]

That was one brilliant pass from Eklund

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Looks like he's getting bigger

 

[TheUnseenHand]

That was one brilliant pass from Eklund

Hughes is gonna love feeding passes to Holtz.

 

[Lou is God]

Looks like he's getting bigger

 

[VictorLustig]

Yes, Jan Guillou certainly added some weight.

 

[FlyguyOX]

I always had the gut feeling Holtz was better than Raymond. I guess we’ll see but having a great season so far.

 

[OgeeOgelthorpe]

I always had the gut feeling Holtz was better than Raymond. I guess we’ll see but having a great season so far.

As a Wings fan I hope you're wrong. Holtz is definitely displaying a better goalscoring touch this season and has looked dangerous whenever he's on the ice. Raymond has played pretty good 2-way hockey but is getting less icetime per game than Holtz. Also his center, Jan Mursak, isn't half as good as that Eklund kid that Holtz is playing with.

 

[Martinez]

As a Wings fan I hope you're wrong. Holtz is definitely displaying a better goalscoring touch this season and has looked dangerous whenever he's on the ice. Raymond has played pretty good 2-way hockey but is getting less icetime per game than Holtz. Also his center, Jan Mursak, isn't half as good as that Eklund kid that Holtz is playing with.

He’s right, and holtz was also better last season. Raymond was drafted for his ceiling

 

[bishop12]

anyone talking about a 18 year olds 'two way' game, you're reaching....

 

[Pavels Dog]

Been watching most games both kids have played this season and I think anyone saying Raymond/Holtz is clearly ahead of the other is reaching.

Biggest difference? Holtz has the benefit of a linemate that drives offense.
Another difference is Frölunda plays low-event hockey while Djurgården is a bit run and gun.