Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[Leaf Rocket]

Conspiracy theory:
Shannon was born in BC, so was Mirtle who was even Nucks fan back in his school days...

Mirtle if I am correct isn't a nuck fan but the victoria royals

You know if the Luongo deal doesn't happen, Shannon will say the Burke firing was the reason.

Pretty much. His escape card.

Also get on your with your first GDT..or I'll do it for you.

 

[BillyD]

You know if the Luongo deal doesn't happen, Shannon will say the Burke firing was the reason.

for sure

just a Q, can you think of a single rumour shannon has ever been right about, not CBA related?

 

[glasses91]

luongo would be great as long as kadri is not in the mix.

 

[4evaBlue]

I have a feeling this Luongo situation is going to go on all season long. It seems Gillis has a high asking price which is odd given his negotiating position. He is perfectly within his right to do so though, he has nothing to lose by waiting for something better he might as well hope someone's starting goalie tears a groin or something.

He'll just play the "I'll just keep two starting goalies in my lineup card" this year. Luongo is a solid pro so I doubt there'll be much of an issue with team chemistry or anything like that.

Nonis is being rather clear in that he's not going to give up any of his youth that him and burke spent the last 4 years building up. He's just not going to do it in my opinion.

I hope Schneider has an off season this year, and Luongo being forced to pick up the slack. I have nothing against Schneider, but it would make this whole situation a lot more entertaining. Especially when the Nucks start squirming to get under the cap for next season.

I laugh every time I see Kadri in these proposals. They have been meticulously developing this kid for 3 and a half years. For what? To trade him right when he's about to make the jump? It's nonsensical regardless if you like Kadri or not as a fan. This team is simply nowhere close to being ready to ditch their prospects and make a run.

Agreed. I get a bit annoyed at seeing Kadri's name tossed in nearly every trade proposal.

 

[mix1home]

I think you're selling Luongo's career quite short there. The situations are a little bit reversed as well, Halak replaced Price the playoffs but was subsequently dealt.

I don't personally see the Connolly+ comparison, Halak was dealt for Eller + Schult both who were pretty good prospects. Eller being a recent 1st rounder.

The closest Luongo comparable was the Luongo trade in '06.

I'm sorry, but did you read my post before replying to it? Situation is completely the same. Team got two good goalies and MUST deal one, because you cannot keep two starters at appropriate salary on the team as it takes away money from other areas. With new CBA it adds even more pressure in years when cap declines.
It is irrelevant which goalie goes as it's always the goalie team wants LESS. Ok?

And if you read my arguments there are quite a few points that make Luo LESS valuable than completely comparable Halak deal.

Eller + Schult return is ok I guess. Eller <<< Kadri and they are about the same age. Schult will be way down on our D prospect chart. So when we offer Van good D prospect (which Van needs) we can reasonably offer Connolly as temp solution for Van 2C, who goes off cap at the end of the year and this would be very fair deal considering recent comparable in Halak deal and decremental points I pointed out.

I would like to hear unbiased argument in response. I don't need to hear about you love to Luo. Is there ANY point why Luo should bring the same return as Halak considering all those negative points (age/contract/losing playoffs record 32-34/complete inability to get bad team to playoffs)? If no, then Luo should bring LESS than Eller + Schultz. It is clear enough to me.

 

[BayStBullies]

Where do you see Luongo fit in the long term plans? 3-5+ years down the road.

I see Leafs' fans taking the role of current Vancouver fans; fooling themselves into thinking they are not screwed with the contract; resulting with creating thousands upon thousands of posts across multiple forum threads on HF boards.

With that said; hopefully Vancouver deals with this for the next decade; not the Leafs.

 

[Razz]

I hope Schneider has an off season this year, and Luongo being forced to pick up the slack. I have nothing against Schneider, but it would make this whole situation a lot more entertaining. Especially when the Nucks start squirming to get under the cap for next season.

Yeah that will be a fine mess indeed. It will all fall on Gillis too. If the goaltending situation becomes untenable, it will become a direct reflection on management.

They'll be able to get under the cap that won't be a problem. With 2 buyouts, how can't you? The problem is, they'll have to sign Edler and the cap drops to 64.3.

The Canucks will start to get worse if they are wasting 5.3 mil on keeping the bench warm next year. That's 6mil drop in cap + 5.3 wasted in the same year. Yikes. Luongo has gotta go pronto.

If Gillis is smart, he should use that 5.3 and stockpile depth (cause he doesn't have much in the AHL) and go into this season from a position of strength.

 

[JoeyBeans]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...wap-Luongo-Update-LeopoldLA-Reilly-NJ/1/48440

 

[Metal God]

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Eklu...wap-Luongo-Update-LeopoldLA-Reilly-NJ/1/48440

Oh God

 

[Pi]

Mason Raymond? Come on Eklund, Nonis isn't stupid.

Raymond = Lombardi 2.0. Fast skater and not much else.

 

[Leaf Rocket]

God I hate Eklund lol.

 

[JAMmer124]

Eklund realizes Parise isn't a centre right?

 

[ULF_55]

God I hate Eklund lol.

Why are people saying Leafs would prefer Bozak and Kadri? It isn't just Ek, it is on the round tables, prime time et cetera.

That would indicate no one is taking Kadri as a center seriously.

Teams don't trade their top center, and top center prospect when they have nothing else in the system capable of filling those roles.

 

[FrozenJagrt]

Know why no one takes Kadri seriously as a center? Because he will never succeed in the NHL as a center.

People need to give up this stiffy they have for Kadri. He's a mediocre prospect whose improvement has been marginal. If you have the chance to trade him for a star goaltender, you do it

 

[Stats01]

Know why no one takes Kadri seriously as a center? Because he will never succeed in the NHL as a center.

People need to give up this stiffy they have for Kadri. He's a mediocre prospect whose improvement has been marginal. If you have the chance to trade him for a star goaltender, you do it

Kadri is going to be a winger if he ever makes the NHL and we have a ton of them. If we had to move him in a Luongo trade I'm all for it. Only prospects that are off the table for me are obviously Gardiner and Rielly.

 

[ACC1224]

Know why no one takes Kadri seriously as a center? Because he will never succeed in the NHL as a center.

People need to give up this stiffy they have for Kadri. He's a mediocre prospect whose improvement has been marginal. If you have the chance to trade him for a star goaltender, you do it

If he's mediocre why would a Team trade a Star for him? Wouldn't they prefer a pick or a better prospect?

 

[ULF_55]

Kadri is going to be a winger if he ever makes the NHL and we have a ton of them. If we had to move him in a Luongo trade I'm all for it. Only prospects that are off the table for me are obviously Gardiner and Rielly.

Depending on the return no one should be off the table.

 

[Razz]

Know why no one takes Kadri seriously as a center? Because he will never succeed in the NHL as a center.

People need to give up this stiffy they have for Kadri. He's a mediocre prospect whose improvement has been marginal. If you have the chance to trade him for a star goaltender, you do it

It depends on the circumstances though. This situation has a lot more to it.

The Leafs are not a contender, so getting Luongo may not make sense for their long term view. Obviously upgrading goal will be nice but they are a building team and can't afford to sacrifice their young players. Also, it may not have a net benefit to take on Luongo when the team isn't ready to be competitive.

While you feel Kadri is mediocre, I can assure you that the Leafs organization doesn't feel that way and have spent considerable amounts of resources preparing that kid for the NHL. He's a proven ppg player in the AHL and has made significant improvement since first arriving defensively and physically. Is he all the way there? Not yet, but he's close to making the permanent jump to the NHL.

Kadri cannot be traded right now. Not because he's the next big thing, it's because the Leafs invested in this kid and are going to see it through. If Kadri fails to live up to that investment, then management will make a decision. That time shouldn't be now though.

You really have to take your personal bias out of the picture and look at this more holistically. It's a complex situation.

 

[Stats01]

Depending on the return no one should be off the table.

I meant for a Luongo trade. If we could move one of Gardiner or Rielly for a #1 center then of course we think about it, but it would be beyond ridiculous to trade one of them for Luongo.

 

[ULF_55]

It depends on the circumstances though. This situation has a lot more to it.

The Leafs are not a contender, so getting Luongo may not make sense for their long term view. Obviously upgrading goal will be nice but they are a building team and can't afford to sacrifice their young players. Also, it may not have a net benefit to take on Luongo when the team isn't ready to be competitive.

While you feel Kadri is mediocre, I can assure you that the Leafs organization doesn't feel that way and have spent considerable amounts of resources preparing that kid for the NHL. He's a proven ppg player in the AHL and has made significant improvement since first arriving defensively and physically. Is he all the way there? Not yet, but he's close to making the permanent jump to the NHL.

Kadri cannot be traded right now. Not because he's the next big thing, it's because the Leafs invested in this kid and are going to see it through. If Kadri fails to live up to that investment, then management will make a decision. That time shouldn't be now though.

You really have to take your personal bias out of the picture and look at this more holistically. It's a complex situation.

How have they invested any more in Kadri than they have other prospects?

He plays on the Marlies and gets paid his AHL salary.

Isn't that pretty much like every other Marlies player?

 

[ULF_55]

I meant for a Luongo trade. If we could move one of Gardiner or Rielly for a #1 center then of course we think about it, but it would be beyond ridiculous to trade one of them for Luongo.

Most analysts have said the same thing. Don't trade Rielly or Gardiner for Luongo.

 

[Mess]

Kadri cannot be traded right now. Not because he's the next big thing, it's because the Leafs invested in this kid and are going to see it through.

Not one iota did that help Luke Schenn from being dealt.

But in fairness we do have a new GM so things may have changed as he claims to be more patient.

However Kadri in any potential Luongo trade seems highly probable to me.

 

[ACC1224]

Not one iota did that help Luke Schenn from being dealt.

But in fairness we do have a new GM so things may have changed as he claims to be more patient.

However Kadri in any potential Luongo trade seems highly probable to me.

Schenn spent all his time with the Leafs while Kadri spent most of his with the Marlies.

Not a similar situation at all.

 

[Mess]

Schenn spent all his time with the Leafs while Kadri spent most of his with the Marlies.

Not a similar situation at all.

Agreed ..

The development costs in grooming a young player is much higher to the organization at the NHL level as it effects the parent team not the farm team. So Burke dealing Schenn from NHL >> then Nonis dealing Kadri from AHL in terms of development costs and opportunity loss.

If I'm dealing Kadri, I'm not doing it for Luongo at age 35, I'd be looking for a much younger building block like St. Louis Jaroslav Halak.

 

[Clark4Ever]

Kadri has all the intangible qualities to evolve into a legitimate top 6 forward. His issues have been a lack of size and a lack of maturity; both of which can be remedied over time. He is on the verge of breaking into the NHL as a regular, and he has better hands than anyone on the Leafs other than Kessel.

It would be completely asinine to give up on him now in a deal for Luongo, given his absurd contract.