Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All
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Mr Knies Guy
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I agree, I can't see why there'd be a hold up for much longer if it were as close as many in the media purported. This will be a long game of chicken for sure
Anth93
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Lol, do an honest assessment of this team and tell yourself that it's ready for a playoff run.Stop already with this nonsense. We won't trade for an elite goalie because we're hoping to finish last overall, not mention that with the new CBA something like 18 teams have a shot at #1 overall in the lottery?
The first overall pick isn't the only answer, we could end up bottom 5 and be looking at locking up a great offensive prospect. Something we need going forward with our top end talent pushing free agency and their readiness to resign being in question.
p.l.f.
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Nonis would acquire Luongo as long as he doesnt have to trade young players off of what he refers to as his 'reserve list'
p.l.f.
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What value does challenging for a PO spot hold for this team moving forward? At the cost of draft position and what we have to send back to Van.
I argue none, other then maybe satisfying some fans need to see PO hockey back in town.
Now I'm not all against getting Lou, i just want to look at it this off season and see what else we are adding Via top UFAs, if we are not adding at least 1 if not 2 more high impact players in the off season, then i see no point in adding Lou just for possible PO births.
iArts
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I think with Luongo this team is ready to get into the playoffs. There, who knows how our players will step up? Maybe Phaneuf, Kessel and Lu will carry the team?
iArts
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There is great value in being a playoff team. You become much more attractive for UFAs.
Lebanese Leaf
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We have Kessel until the end of next season. What's likely to be more attractive in his eyes...
1) Sign Luongo, be mediocre at best, squeak into playoffs as 7-8 seed (which would be a good thing, don't get me wrong), have less cap space to work with this off-season, and a middle round draft pick. At worst finish just outside the playoffs and have no benefit, bad pick and no playoffs.
2) Hold off on Luongo, play our young guys, best case scenario our young guys show promise and Reimer rebounds, we still squeak into playoffs, but have more cap space to sign high quality FA's. Or worst case scenario, we falter and end up near the bottom, but get to draft a superstar prospect who could perhaps step in and play with Kessel right away, as well as boatload of cap space to splurge on this off-season.
Anth93
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Maybe they'll play exactly like they used to and we're stuck in a giant cluster**** of mediocre hockey?
I'm not trying to be disrespectful, I just really hope the Leafs front offices sees the great opportunity they have to secure high draft picks.
LOL, we finished 1 point ahead of the Isle last season, no offense but only a homer would argue that we are for sure better then them.
As for Columbus, ya thats a bad team, but one never knows for sure how the big moves they had to make with Carter and Nash will pan out. There is nothing special there but the team has a thick roster.
p.l.f.
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Odds of trade went down considerably today. Unless Vancouver wants some vets, we aren't dealing. Let them stew, Luongo's contract still sucks and he is older.
iArts
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You think Kessel cares about waiting for that superstar to develop in 4-5 years?
If we don't make the playoffs before re-signing Kessel, he will be gone. Think about how big of a loss that will be.
Anth93
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I don't think Kessel is capable of doing a press conference for another team.. He's comfortable here. I'm half serious
Back on the hope bandwagon?
You rail against the idea of hoping to draft high, i assume because of the % odds of that happening, but your ok with running maybe even worse % odds that this team with Lou can make waves in the POs?
See we all have our hopes and angles toward the % odds, frankly, i like our % odds that we add another much needed blue chip prospect at the end of this season if we do not add Lou, just yet.
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You make moves because you think it's the best thing for the club going forward not in the hopes that it will convince someone to stay.
Lebanese Leaf
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Would Kessel take Ryan Nugent-Hopkins right now?
Because Mackinnon and Drouin both look like stronger prospects than RNH was in his draft year. These are not 4-5 year guys, these are guys who will step right in in October and change this franchise forever. Same goes for Seth Jones. And Morgan Rielly will be up next October. If we end up with one of Mackinnon/Drouin/Jones, on top of having lots of cap space to play with, and Morgan Rielly likely making the team next year, this team will turn a page in the right direction once and for all. And by then we'll know exactly what we have in Kadri/Frattin/Reimer. And if Luongo is no longer available and Reimer didn't cut it, then we trade for another goalie. Luongo is not the be all and end all of goaltenders that could help us. If he can be had cheap fine, but if Vancouver wants to play hardball, no thanks!
iArts
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You make moves to fill holes in you club. Losing Kessel will open up a giant hole that will be extremely hard to fill with another talent like Phil.
And if Lou fails to get us in the POs and also moves us out of prime draft territory, then what?
I argue that we would be just as an attractive UFA destination if the players we hunt as UFAs have the understanding that if we sign them, THEN we will go all out and add Lou or the likes.
And more to the reality of it, what UFAs are you talking about?
Right now there are none out there. Could we be putting the cart before the horse here?
Anth93
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I agree with everything here, more people should be able to see this.
By looking at this draft you can see there's 5/6 guys offensively who can change your top line for the next 6 years.
colchar
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While this applies to all players with long-term deals this also relates to Luongo so I'll ask it here.
We all know that, if the Leafs get Luongo and he retires in say five years, both Toronto and Vancouver are on the hook for penalties. But what happens if the Leafs acquire him and then trade him later on? Let's say they keep him for three years and then move him to another team (one that has injury issues, one looking to get to the cap floor, or whatever other reason) for whom he plays for like a year. When he retires would all three teams be on the hook for penalties or would only Vancouver and the team to whom he belonged when he retired be on the hook?
We all know that, if the Leafs get Luongo and he retires in say five years, both Toronto and Vancouver are on the hook for penalties. But what happens if the Leafs acquire him and then trade him later on? Let's say they keep him for three years and then move him to another team (one that has injury issues, one looking to get to the cap floor, or whatever other reason) for whom he plays for like a year. When he retires would all three teams be on the hook for penalties or would only Vancouver and the team to whom he belonged when he retired be on the hook?
iArts
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That's the problem. Elite goalies don't just come up on the market every year.
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