Speculation: Luongo Trade Discussions Thread - All

[rdawg1234]

God bless the optimistic fans here. However I remember how our small run and gun team, performed for Carlyle and his defensive 3 men infront of the puck defensive system. We're not big, it wasn't pretty. We scored very few goals. This will not be a good year. Thankfully it will be a short one.

yes lets judge how they play under his system when he took over in the middle of a 15 game losing streak when we were out of the playoffs.

 

[Confucius]

yes lets judge how they play under his system when he took over in the middle of a 15 game losing streak when we were out of the playoffs.

We're not a team built for Defense. Just flipping a switch won't make them so. We are small and fast. We are up and down. We won't win battles in the corners or knock guys off the puck, just because Carlyle tells them it is how they are going to play now.

 

[hockeywiz542]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/where-do-the-leafs-go-from-here/article7150787/

Absent that full scale rebuild, the Leafs most pressing need is likely in net, and promoting Nonis – who acquired Roberto Luongo as GM of the Vancouver Canucks – will only increase the speculation that he will go to that well once again.

Two well-placed sources on Wednesday indicated that Nonis’s hiring made the Luongo deal more likely to be completed and that the Leafs and Canucks had previously made significant steps under Burke toward putting together the foundation of a deal.

 

[Guided by Veseys]

How is a kid who looked terrible in the WJC supposed to be a 1st line center in the NHL next year?

I'm super late in response to this but it bears mention that MacKinnon is pretty much a year younger than Seth Jones and 6 months younger than Drouin. It does make a bit of difference at that age. I thought he was decent enough, threw some good hits, a couple shifty moves, at least one brutal penalty tho. Like so many others have stated: he barely saw the ice in that tournament. 1st line center in the NHL next year is unlikely but he probably should be in the nhl.

 

[charliolemieux]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...remains-confident-despite-mlse-upheaval-kelly

**** ME!!!

So Colangelo gets to start the year 4-19 but is on hte right track.

BUrke gets fired without playing a game.

Anyone want to try and explain how this wasn't personal again?

 

[charliolemieux]

So what happens if they now trade for Luongo anyway after having fired Burke...?

Revolt!!!!

I want to hear a "BURKE" chant at the first home game.

 

[Doug Gilmour]

Connolly and Lombardi are both UFAs at the end of this season and if Komisarek doesn't get his game together, he'll probably be amnesty bought out.

Interesting if true... Nonis was saying this club needed some moves so I wonder if he starts trading roster players for younger prospects close to NHL ready?

This weekend has potential to be insane.

So what I am understanding is Nonis wanted to build the team right way all along, but Burke had the first and final say in everything and that's why we suck?

Our ownership actually thinking straight? I don't know about this.

That's a scary thought.

1. Tank.
2. Trade Joffrey Lupul, Cody Franson and Clarke MacArthur.
3. Draft Nathan MacKinnon, Elias Lindholm or Alexander Barkov.
4. Trade for Roberto Luongo at the draft (Kadri, Bozak)
5. Sign Corey Perry, Paul Ranger and David Clarkson.

Going into 2013/14...

Perry - MacKinnon - Kessel
JVR - Grabovski - Kulemin
Komarov - Colborne - Clarkson
Brown - McClement - Ashton

Gunnarsson - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Ranger
Liles - Holzer
Kostka

Luongo
Reimer

Like everything about your plan except for #2 and #4. And you are missing Morgan Rielly in your lineup. I agree with trading MacArthur but Lupul? Lupul and Kessel were one of the most dominant duos in the NHL last season. Franson is wait and see how he plays under Carlyle with ice time.

 

[Doug Gilmour]

http://www.thestar.com/sports/baske...remains-confident-despite-mlse-upheaval-kelly

"They like saying sports is a results business. That’s not true. There’s no business that has a higher tolerance for failure. What it is, is a messaging business. Colangelo’s signal talent as an executive is the ability to explain what he’s doing in a way that makes sense. "

That statement is half right. No matter how good you are at explaining things you only get so much time before the owners want you to put up or shut up.

 

[Roboholic]

Based on the information you have which you are not willing to share with us?


People who have money and power do not care whether they like a person or not. They are not interested in Burke as a prospective son in law. They did not like what he has done so far and what he wanted to do.

If you did a Google search you could probably find reasons/rumours as to why Brian was was let go. Remember that there were rumours he was stepping down or getting fired after the draft.

Probably also the reason why Burke gave Simmons the shot, he wrote a story about it in the summer.

 

[Confucius]

"They like saying sports is a results business. That’s not true. There’s no business that has a higher tolerance for failure. What it is, is a messaging business. Colangelo’s signal talent as an executive is the ability to explain what he’s doing in a way that makes sense. "

That statement is half right. No matter how good you are at explaining things you only get so much time before the owners want you to put up or shut up.

ever hear the expression bull,**** baffles brains.. It happens alot in all walks of life.

 

[dimi78]

There was really no first half . There was a hot streak of 15 or so games to start the year but if you took away that hot spell and our death spiral the team played around .500 which isn't close to getting you in the playoffs .

If you take away the HOT SPELL from any team they're playing .500 hockey don't know what your talking about.

Last season was the story of Reimer and Wilson lacking to trust Gustavsson that caused the death spiral. When Reimer was cleared back to return Gustavsson was hot and getting the job done the team was sitting 1st even without Reimer why Wilson was quick to give Reimer the net coming back from such an injury I will never understand.

Reimer was thrown to the wolves was clearly off and losing confidence with every game yet was constantly used all through December where the 1st drop in the standings occurred as they went from 1st to 9th in a short order... January came something changed. Wilson went with Gustavsson gave up zero PP goals in that month with 4 shutouts and the team suddenly climbed up the standings again to 4th place just 3pts out of 3rd yet after one bad period vs Pitts he lost the starters job just like that Reimer went in had 2 strong games and then suddenly sucked again and the death spiral emerged as Wilson did the cardinal sin twice he took a hot goalie out of the net... Both goalies ended up lacking confidence as the pressure started to mount and it effected the team in front them.

The Leafs missed the playoffs last year cause the goaltending was miss used and completely fell apart, if that doesn't happen they make the playoffs last year.

 

[tmlms13]

If we want to shed salary do it for Komisarek, he still has 2 years left. More money to spend this summer, with Connolly and Lombardi coming off. That 8.25 + Komi if we can trade him that makes 12.75 available. Luongo at 5.3 + Getzlaf at 6ish. None of the other RFAs or UFA's will want a huge increase if they come back.

 

[hotpaws]

If you take away the HOT SPELL from any team they're playing .500 hockey don't know what your talking about.

Last season was the story of Reimer and Wilson lacking to trust Gustavsson that caused the death spiral. When Reimer was cleared back to return Gustavsson was hot and getting the job done the team was sitting 1st even without Reimer why Wilson was quick to give Reimer the net coming back from such an injury I will never understand.

Reimer was thrown to the wolves was clearly off and losing confidence with every game yet was constantly used all through December where the 1st drop in the standings occurred as they went from 1st to 9th in a short order... January came something changed. Wilson went with Gustavsson gave up zero PP goals in that month with 4 shutouts and the team suddenly climbed up the standings again to 4th place just 3pts out of 3rd yet after one bad period vs Pitts he lost the starters job just like that Reimer went in had 2 strong games and then suddenly sucked again and the death spiral emerged as Wilson did the cardinal sin twice he took a hot goalie out of the net... Both goalies ended up lacking confidence as the pressure started to mount and it effected the team in front them.

The Leafs missed the playoffs last year cause the goaltending was miss used and completely fell apart, if that doesn't happen they make the playoffs last year.

The post i was responding too said we had a good first half when the truth was the hot start masked the fact the team was playing mediocre hockey for the majority of the season . And just to be clear i said if you took away both the hot streak AND the death spiral our record was about .500 .

It's sad that some fans always blame the goalies without ever taking into account the piss poor D we played in front of them . Do you actually think our offensive production would have remained the same if we didn't play the wide open run and gun system that Rotten Ronnie enjoyed .

 

[Faltorvo]

If you take away the HOT SPELL from any team they're playing .500 hockey don't know what your talking about.

Last season was the story of Reimer and Wilson lacking to trust Gustavsson that caused the death spiral. When Reimer was cleared back to return Gustavsson was hot and getting the job done the team was sitting 1st even without Reimer why Wilson was quick to give Reimer the net coming back from such an injury I will never understand.

Reimer was thrown to the wolves was clearly off and losing confidence with every game yet was constantly used all through December where the 1st drop in the standings occurred as they went from 1st to 9th in a short order... January came something changed. Wilson went with Gustavsson gave up zero PP goals in that month with 4 shutouts and the team suddenly climbed up the standings again to 4th place just 3pts out of 3rd yet after one bad period vs Pitts he lost the starters job just like that Reimer went in had 2 strong games and then suddenly sucked again and the death spiral emerged as Wilson did the cardinal sin twice he took a hot goalie out of the net... Both goalies ended up lacking confidence as the pressure started to mount and it effected the team in front them.

The Leafs missed the playoffs last year cause the goaltending was miss used and completely fell apart, if that doesn't happen they make the playoffs last year.

Actually, this team and coaching staff was only good enough to keep them 3 loses away from finishing 2nd last in the league .

This was another utter failure by all of them.

 

[colchar]

Please please don't trade for Lou. Gosh we don't have a #1c and MacKinnon is actually in sight.

With the draft lottery there is absolutely no guarantee that the Leafs would be able to draft him no matter how low they finished in the standings.

 

[colchar]

I'm almost at the point at which I wish they would forget about Luongo and either trade for someone else (not sure who would actually be available) or just sign Roloson to a one year deal so that Reimer and Scrivens can continue to develop and he can help bring them along. Once the season is over and there are more options available they can address their long term goalie situation then, whether that means Reimer and Scrivens or bringing someone else in via trade or free agency.

 

[Woodman19]

Not to be captain obvious but if Nonis is only willing to trade young assets for other young players why not go for Bernier over luongo?

 

[Vexed]

Not to be captain obvious but if Nonis is only willing to trade young assets for other young players why not go for Bernier over luongo?

Because that's a side grade to what we have not an upgrade

 

[Leaf Rocket]

Not to be captain obvious but if Nonis is only willing to trade young assets for other young players why not go for Bernier over luongo?

price is too high.

 

[colchar]

Not to be captain obvious but if Nonis is only willing to trade young assets for other young players why not go for Bernier over luongo?

Maybe because he has less NHL experience than Reimer so they see him as too much of an unknown and aren't willing to take the gamble? I know they would be gambling with Reimer and Scrivens but perhaps they figure that gamble doesn't cost them any assets while Bernier would.

If the price isn't too high he might be worth it though as they might end up with a future star who solves their goaltending issues for years.

 

[hockeywiz542]

http://www.torontosun.com/2013/01/12/hopefully-burke-firing-was-for-the-right-reasons

So why was Brian Burke really fired? That’s the concern. If he was fired strictly for hockey reasons, then why are they replacing him with his right-hand man, a guy whose finger-prints are all over this current roster?

Clearly, Burke was fired because he speaks his mind, and not because MLSE is worried about the direction of the club. If it was worried about the direction of the team, then Dave Nonis wouldn’t have been hired to take Burke’s place. After all, isn’t Nonis a Burke guy? Did Dave Nonis not learn his trade largely under Burke? It’s like MLSE is replacing Brian Burke with Brian Burke Lite.

Why does MLSE feel Dave Nonis can do the job when Burke couldn’t? Because he’s a little more patient than Burke? Because he believes that Robert Luongo will deliver the Leafs to the promised land?

Or is it because he’ll be a good boy with the media and not say anything too controversial?

That’s my concern — that this move was made largely for cosmetic reasons, not for hockey reasons. If MLSE is not convinced that Burke’s rebuild is on track, then start fresh.

Or, if the man they want is currently unavailable, then give Nonis the job on an interim basis, with the understanding that if the team doesn’t live up to expectations, he’s gone at the end of the season.

I don’t have a problem with Burke getting canned as GM. But it’s wrong if it was done for reasons other what was happening on the ice. If MLSE is heading into a new era of hiring guys who toe the party line and always say and do the politically correct thing, then that’s just sad.

 

[CerebralDevil]

Has anyone else heard that Edler was involved in a package with Luongo? Just putting it out there.

 

[mix1home]

Do you seriously think that no team would take Luongo for free? News flash for ya....Luongo is and will be hands down better than any goalie we have. If we have a chance to trade for him without giving up pieces like Gardiner, Reilley or our 1st...we should do it.

This is IF they come to us in the summer and nobody else is interested in Lou.
Then again, chances are there would be not much of interest as there is not much today.
2/3 teams in NHL are loosing money/have internal cap/running at just above cap floor. The rest who have money are in cap trouble themselves to comply with 64M and no AHL shelter this summer and/or have good goalie.
If I think about this I see very clearly that ONLY reason we are all talking about it is that Van needs to get rid of Lou now and Leafs are pretty much ONLY team that is interested. All of these stories about Florida and recently Flyers - all coups to lift Lou worth from the dump where it's at the moment. What more proof do you need?

 

[Stats01]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/hockey/where-do-the-leafs-go-from-here/article7150787/

We're going to hear something later on today or Monday. I'll be shocked if this goes on when the season starts next Saturday

 

[Sundinftw]

John Shannon said it would happen today so....