Lundqvist Sucks In Big Games
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Chimpradamus
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The Habs could put their janitor in net and Bourque would claim he's the best goaltender in the world.
Thought I'd come in here...
and check out the Lundqvist bashing, and his defenders. It's almost like one game proves the point. To me, he's not the best in the league. He is a great goalie. He's also a top 5 goalie over the last 10(?) years. Every year may vary, but during his tenure in the league, he is definitely up there. At times he's aided by an efficient defense in front of him, but he's learned to play behind that. For years people crapped on Brodeur because of the defense in front of him, while at the same time singing the praises of Richter. Honestly, Richter doesn't put up Brodeur numbers behind that defense and Brodeur doesn't put up Richter numbers behind NYC. Bottom line is I think it's difficult to say Lundqvist isn't great and many who do take bits and pieces of his game and accentuate those negatives. He just seems to usually be in the right place. He gives up a clunker here and there. He loses his focus (honestly, I don't know if Roy, Brodeur, or many other Stanley Cup winning goalies have been pulled when his team was in a chance to advance to the finals), but, he can pull off a series like he did against PITT, and a couple games against MTL to get them in position, and that should not be lost. Every goalie has clunker goals and clunker games, but for the great goalies those are few and further between and while it's counted in the last 20 games, they have been further between and let's hope he rebounds at home and this team advances to the Finals!
and check out the Lundqvist bashing, and his defenders. It's almost like one game proves the point. To me, he's not the best in the league. He is a great goalie. He's also a top 5 goalie over the last 10(?) years. Every year may vary, but during his tenure in the league, he is definitely up there. At times he's aided by an efficient defense in front of him, but he's learned to play behind that. For years people crapped on Brodeur because of the defense in front of him, while at the same time singing the praises of Richter. Honestly, Richter doesn't put up Brodeur numbers behind that defense and Brodeur doesn't put up Richter numbers behind NYC. Bottom line is I think it's difficult to say Lundqvist isn't great and many who do take bits and pieces of his game and accentuate those negatives. He just seems to usually be in the right place. He gives up a clunker here and there. He loses his focus (honestly, I don't know if Roy, Brodeur, or many other Stanley Cup winning goalies have been pulled when his team was in a chance to advance to the finals), but, he can pull off a series like he did against PITT, and a couple games against MTL to get them in position, and that should not be lost. Every goalie has clunker goals and clunker games, but for the great goalies those are few and further between and while it's counted in the last 20 games, they have been further between and let's hope he rebounds at home and this team advances to the Finals!
Tokarski is not a better goalie than Hank but you can make the case that they are about equal in the series so far, and that says a lot.
This is the 2nd ECF game 5 that Hank tanked. If we win one of the next 2, all will be forgotten. If not, he will be questioned again and again.
This is the 2nd ECF game 5 that Hank tanked. If we win one of the next 2, all will be forgotten. If not, he will be questioned again and again.
Every goalie on the ice sucked last night.
The Rangers, as a team, played their sloppiest game since the advent of the season, but I guess thats not put into the equation.
The Rangers, as a team, played their sloppiest game since the advent of the season, but I guess thats not put into the equation.
Blueshirt Special
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I prefer that people evaluate his overall performance fairly moreso then I care about them spelling it right
Traitor8
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No he hasn't. That's my point. They are all in the same pot. I believe Lundqvist is a top 5 goalie in the league but to call him the best without a doubt is completely ridiculous in my opinion.
He hasn't warranted that and neither has Price/Crawford/Rask yet.
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irrelevant. You going back 6 years to prove that Lundqvist is better makes no sense.
We are talking about today. As we speak, today, is Lundqvist the undisputed #1? The answer is a clear no.
He has by far the best numbers of anyone left in the playoffs. Only one who compares to him is Rask. Lundqvist is better than all if the goalies you keep bringing up.
No, he wouldn't. We came back from 3-0 down (3 goals on first 5 shots) ECF game 5 two years ago and he gave up another one late in the third to the devils' 4th liners to lose. Just didn't have it last night which is disappointing but all will be forgotten if we win one of the next two. And Hank doesn't and shouldn't have to win it by himself. Just do his part.
GordonGecko
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Rene Bourque is such a weasel, that guy needs to get his head pounded in. Did you see how he took a cheap shot at Dorsett at the end of the game as soon as Dorsett tried to drop the gloves Bourque ran away and hid behind the ref like a little girl?
And now he comes out and says that Torski is better than Lundqvist? lol holy ****, what do you think Hank will do with that sort of ammo? The odds are on a 50 shot shutout when you motivate him like that
And now he comes out and says that Torski is better than Lundqvist? lol holy ****, what do you think Hank will do with that sort of ammo? The odds are on a 50 shot shutout when you motivate him like that
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Key words: of anyone left. Yes but why is that the standard? Why are you not looking at all goalies? In the playoffs, Rask has better numbers .
I'm not saying Rask is better but you are considering him the best in the league of 30 teams because he has the best numbers of the 4 remaining goalies?? That's an absurd argument.
jerseyjinx94
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Lundqvist had a terrible, terrible game.
Honestly, he is the best goalie in the league.
I think that much is clear.
Anyone who says he's not is insane. There is no goaltender in the league that has:
the numbers
the awards
the consistency
the durability
the skills
that he has. That being said, you don't get respect in this league unless you win a Cup. He had a chance to play a huge game and carry us into the SCF. He failed, personally, maybe the whole team did but he didn't do his job, nonetheless. If he does that in Game 6, we will move on from this conversation and Game 5 will be a bump in the road.
Henrik is hated by other teams' fans because they typically have difficulty scoring against him, and our fans are delusional or unappreciative if they criticize him incessantly. He's going to give up goals.
That being said, he's not immune from criticism. Feel free to criticize his performance last night but what bearing that has on his status as the top goalie in the game to me is beyond minimal.
Honestly, he is the best goalie in the league.
I think that much is clear.
Anyone who says he's not is insane. There is no goaltender in the league that has:
the numbers
the awards
the consistency
the durability
the skills
that he has. That being said, you don't get respect in this league unless you win a Cup. He had a chance to play a huge game and carry us into the SCF. He failed, personally, maybe the whole team did but he didn't do his job, nonetheless. If he does that in Game 6, we will move on from this conversation and Game 5 will be a bump in the road.
Henrik is hated by other teams' fans because they typically have difficulty scoring against him, and our fans are delusional or unappreciative if they criticize him incessantly. He's going to give up goals.
That being said, he's not immune from criticism. Feel free to criticize his performance last night but what bearing that has on his status as the top goalie in the game to me is beyond minimal.
As long as Hank comes out and plays well tomorrow, this game will be forgotten.
If he comes out and let's up a couple of softies, people will label him as a big game choker, whether justified or not.
If he comes out and let's up a couple of softies, people will label him as a big game choker, whether justified or not.
Miamipuck
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I haven't said anything in relation to Hank, I don't care about one game. That said, who the hell are you, or anyone else for that matter, to tell anyone that they can not critique him. That's patently ridiculous, if people are allowed to heap praise on him then those people should in turn be fine with criticism.
lol "you don't deserve him." It's fans of the player like you, that make criticism all the more vehement. If you would ignore it most of it would go away.
jerseyjinx94
I jinx players.
Rask has been a starter for how many seasons? Rask is phenomenal, a terrific goalie, and he's on his way to being on that level. However, if player X has been phenomenal for 10 years and player Y for 3 years, it is kinda hard to say that player Y is on player X's level, especially because of the many unknowns that player Y will face in the next 7 years. Rask could get injured, slump, etc. etc. etc. He is definitely up there but I give Hank the edge.
Also, Rask hasn't won the big game either, so that argument is out the door. Let me ask you a question, seriously - Why would you come to the Rangers boards the day after Lundqvist gets lit up to argue that Hank isn't the best goalie in the league? If he shuts out Montreal in Game 6, will you post in this thread? If he makes 40 saves, will you post in this thread Friday? If he does those things, can I start a new thread on the Canadiens board linking all of you to this thread where you said such things? Honestly, you should enjoy the win with your fans, rather than try to antagonize Ranger fans.
If I state an opinion with a bunch of supporting data and you respond with literally nothing but an opinion, and zero to back it, your response is irrelevant. Explain why he is or isn't number one, or explain why someone else is or is not better. Otherwise, your opinion on the matter is irrelevant.
After this year I have to say there is no clear number 1 but if multiple goalies are tied for #1 then Henrik Lundqvist is one of them
Miamipuck
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If Bourque actually said Tokarski is better, Hank will put that on the bulletin board and shut out those whiny *****es Thursday.
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I didn't say anything wrong or anything to antagonize Rangers fans. I'm just stating my opinion and the opinion shared by many fans around the league. That opinion is that Lundqvist is a great goalie but to say he's "the best" is absurd.
You bring up the length of time a goalie has been at his peak but that describes more somebody's career than the fact that he's actually better. Rask is 27, Price is 26, Quick is 28 so of course Lundqvist has had a better track record thus far because he's had more years to add to his stats but this doesn't mean that today, as we speak, he's considered #1 based on the history of his career. It doesn't work that way.
Imagine you go up to somebody and say "well, Lundqvist was a beast in 2009 and 2010 so this means that today, in 2014, he's a better goalie than player X" ...
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He didn't. He said that Lundqvist hasn't outplayed Tokarski this series and he is right.
"Everybody talks about how he's a great goalie. Has he been better [than Tokarski] this series? I don't think so" - Rene Bourque
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