Post-Game Talk: Lumbering Jets lose 2-1 in OT

[HHel]

I think the problem is that if we are trailing in a game and first line is other than CSW Maurice makes that change and runs with that combo rest of the game. And if CSW is our top line then he ingreses their ice time versus others. That is big dilemma. They haven't been that good since 17-18.

 

[Ducky10]

It's a broken record but in all honesty what the hell does Maurice see with C-S-W that literally nobody else does? I typically don't get too wound up about line combinations and he has tinkered with things a fair amount this season so far, but his insistence on this combination in the face of any positive results is just baffling. I actually find him patronizing as f*** when he tries to enlighten us all on what a great line it is.

Team had no energy last night and they just wasted the game away. Any decent scoring chance they couldn't hit the net to save their lives. Shocked to see Wheeler drive the net on one shift, only player in the top 6 who got anywhere near the net. The whole possession, perimeter game is not paying dividends at all and the back end can't transition the puck well enough to play on the break, especially with the forwards having to collapse so deep to help out. This team needs to start driving lanes and creating traffic, otherwise they aren't scoring.


Wasn't all bad and Helle was great again. Hope Little is Ok, scary.

 

[Duke749]

It's a broken record but in all honesty what the hell does Maurice see with C-S-W that literally nobody else does? I typically don't get too wound up about line combinations and he has tinkered with things a fair amount this season so far, but his insistence on this combination in the face of any positive results is just baffling. I actually find him patronizing as **** when he tries to enlighten us all on what a great line it is.

Team had no energy last night and they just wasted the game away. Any decent scoring chance they couldn't hit the net to save their lives. Shocked to see Wheeler drive the net on one shift, only player in the top 6 who got anywhere near the net. The whole possession, perimeter game is not paying dividends at all and the back end can't transition the puck well enough to play on the break, especially with the forwards having to collapse so deep to help out. This team needs to start driving lanes and creating traffic, otherwise they aren't scoring.

Wasn't all bad and Helle was great again. Hope Little is Ok, scary.

For those of us that don’t lose their minds over most things with regards to the team, this sums it up pretty dam well. Think we’re all at a lost at this point.

 

[Howard Chuck]

Imagine being a player that is getting limited playing time, but your results are better than the players getting all the opportunities. You know this doesn't go unnoticed.

 

[jepjepjoo]

D on ice with Scheifele 5v5:
Morrisey 10:16
Kulikov 9:54
Beaulieu 8:34
Pionk 8:30
Bitetto 2:04
Sbisa 1:19

D on ice with Laine 5v5: (Using Laine instead of Little because of the injury)
Sbisa 7:34
Bitetto 7:16
Pionk 6:57
Beaulieu 5:15
Morrisey 3:46
Kulikov 3:31

 

[nobody imp0rtant]

I’ll never understand how the players can play the game without a full face mask...

I agree with that POV in general but it wouldn't have helped with Little. He took a hard shot full force in the side of the head and the injury just shows the limitations of helmet technology. Protective equipment can't save a player from everything.

 

[Psych0dad]

D on ice with Scheifele 5v5:
Morrisey 10:16
Kulikov 9:54
Beaulieu 8:34
Pionk 8:30
Bitetto 2:04
Sbisa 1:19

D on ice with Laine 5v5: (Using Laine instead of Little because of the injury)
Sbisa 7:34
Bitetto 7:16
Pionk 6:57
Beaulieu 5:15
Morrisey 3:46
Kulikov 3:31

Thanks for posting this, I was bitching about it in GDT already. Sbisa and Potato give up possession on easy breakout and the line spends the rest of the shift in defensive zone. Wheeler and Scheifele get the D who can get the puck out to the forwards, but they don't know what to do with it. Laine gets to practice his defense zone coverage playing mostly with these D who can't make it out of the zone.

 

[Duke749]

D on ice with Scheifele 5v5:
Morrisey 10:16
Kulikov 9:54
Beaulieu 8:34
Pionk 8:30
Bitetto 2:04
Sbisa 1:19

D on ice with Laine 5v5: (Using Laine instead of Little because of the injury)
Sbisa 7:34
Bitetto 7:16
Pionk 6:57
Beaulieu 5:15
Morrisey 3:46
Kulikov 3:31

Can you do that second one with Laine, Ehlers, and Little/Roslovic?

 

[Eyeseeing]

Man I am so glad to see someone like Murat say the things I think. It's nice to have some validation from someone who really knows the game and the stats.

Can anyone explain this 55/26 (and someties 81) overplaying, and never separating? Does anyone have a single rational explanation for this?

Then in OT, Maurice takes a time out, which is normally a good plan, but he does it so HE CAN SEND 55/26 OUT AGAIN! Then unsurprisingly, Wheeler is too tired to win a foot race and takes a penalty. What do you think Laine, Ehlers, Roslovic, Pionk etc all think sitting on the bench while Maurice shows that he ONLY wants to play 55/26, to the point where he would rather try to rest those two over playing ANYONE else on the bench?

Trying to build a team? Wrong way.....

What is going on? It's like I'm living in some sort of alternate reality where up is down and bad is good etc....

There are some here who cannot admit this coach is done here

 

[Psych0dad]

55 and 26 dictate the lineup

That's definitely what it looks like. I was watching the game with my friend who is a Devils fan and he predicted Hischier to do something nasty in OT, my prediction was Wheeler will play 5 minutes and lose. I won

It's hard for anyone to try and hold him accountable when the general mood still is that he is an amazing player. The whole SN crew last night were pumping up his tires every chance they got and saw nothing negative or at least didn't mention it. But even when he dumped the puck in and lost possession, they were turning that into "Wheeler's powerforward is coming out". Jesus, if that's the criteria for praise, they should remember Lucic is a PWF too.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Perhaps those posters feel that the Jets have the talent up front to win games in spite of those "100" other issues and constantly playing 81-55-26 despite their struggles is not maximizing the strength of the team's top six.

I wish Maurice would switch them up just to show how little it moves the meter.

Last night our best line was a line that was used as an example of Maurice's incompetence. Laine/Little/Ehlers was as good as any line this team has put on the ice at anytime the past 2 seasons.

So, how can something that was such a STRONG indication of coaching incompetency, according to some, be so good?

And were those that were chastising Maurice for playing Little and Laine together taking notice that it actually does work, stepping up and saying that Maurice was right for keeping them together?

Nota word, move on to your next usage complaint that you can stick to him.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

While I think many overstate the importance of the coach on an in game basis like this, 4 minutes is huge. We saw last season how big an impact reducing Buff's minutes from 27 to 23 had on him - he looked way better with a bit less ice time. When you talk about 4 minutes of ice time, that's often most of what the 4th line gets, so it's nothing to scoff at.

You can say the defence is green and that's impacting results, and it probably is to a degree, but the D from January onwards last season wasn't green and they looked just as bad. The forward group is largely unchanged and they look the same, if not worse.

I think they just need a new message, a shakeup, and the coach is the best way to do that. No excuse for playing Scheifele and Wheeler 5 more minutes a night that your second line. I understand Scheifele might have had a bit more last night because they went down a C, but it's not that unusual for that to be the case.

Its a convenient fix, fire the coach, get a new voice. And by fix, I mean you are repairing a motor that is need of an oil change, not an overhaul.

We are sitting at .500, we have our best hockey ahead of us as this young team will only get better, gain chemistry and work towards improving the team game. Last night, we as easily could have gotten that other point, yet today it feels like we were blown out by 5 goals last night.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Right now, I don't care all that much about the scores, one way or another. I'm more concerned with how they play. I don't want to see them dominated for extended periods, like they have been sometimes this year. They played a decent game last night so I am reasonably happy.

The team defense is coming along. Niku seems to be recovered from his groin injury so it is time to recall him. He is clearly better than at least 2 of the Dmen we are playing.

 

[MrBoJangelz71]

Playing the Scheifele line less doesn’t solve the defensive issues, but it would almost certainly improve the level of play on the ice to some measurable degree. So because it won’t solve ALL the problems, it’s not a failing of the coaching staff?

Didn't I acknowledge that its a negative aspect of Maurice, that he should change it up? Its not going to stop us from being young, being rookies, being new to the speed of the game, having a lack of chemistry from players learning to play with each other while battling against the best players in the world.

Nothing is fixing that other than time and experience.

I get the frustration, but the heights some try to portray this as is absurd.

 

[sipowicz]

Scheifele's line was a disaster again, especially in their own zone. Just no spark from Scheifele and Wheeler looks like a klutz. Connor continues to struggle on the boards in his zone. Maurice needs to break that combo up and/or play them less and against easier matchups. Little's line wasn't much better, mostly because Ehlers was playing too cute and too weak.

Kulikov and Morrissey were a disaster for the first few shifts and on the first goal, but settled down. Pionk was the best D again.

PP1 was overmatched by the Devils' PK and stayed on too long, as expected.

Hellebuyck was good, and as mentioned earlier, his play with the puck has been much improved lately.

Can't believe how well the Jets came out in the Trouba deal, Pionk is looking like a deal steal and is the real deal, what a deal!

 

[sipowicz]

Both Wheeler and Scheifele might get a bit more lively if they were separated....

The need to be surgically separated at least in Maurices mind!

 

[jepjepjoo]

Can you do that second one with Laine, Ehlers, and Little/Roslovic?

Laine-Roslovic-Ehlers
Bitetto 1:51
Sbisa 1:51
Kulikov 0:01
Morrisey 0:16
Pionk 0:40
Beaulieu 0:48

Laine-Little-Ehlers
Bitetto 4:10
Sbisa 4:28
Kulikov 1:57
Morrisey 1:33
Pionk 3:10
Beaulieu 2:55

 

[Eyeseeing]

Holy crap! Get well soon Bryan!

I hope the best for him , he’s been through hell with very serious injuries.
Wondering if he’ll contemplate retiring in the next year or so.

 

[Duke749]

Laine-Roslovic-Ehlers
Bitetto 1:51
Sbisa 1:51
Kulikov 0:01
Morrisey 0:16
Pionk 0:40
Beaulieu 0:48

Laine-Little-Ehlers
Bitetto 4:10
Sbisa 4:28
Kulikov 1:57
Morrisey 1:33
Pionk 3:10
Beaulieu 2:55

Boy combining them must’ve been too hard...

 

[tbcwpg]

Its a convenient fix, fire the coach, get a new voice. And by fix, I mean you are repairing a motor that is need of an oil change, not an overhaul.

We are sitting at .500, we have our best hockey ahead of us as this young team will only get better, gain chemistry and work towards improving the team game. Last night, we as easily could have gotten that other point, yet today it feels like we were blown out by 5 goals last night.

To me, the game by game results are less of an issue to me than the overall play this year. They've been bad more often than not. They're lucky to be .500 thanks to some awesome goaltending. They've regressed in every category since 2017-18.

It's not only a young team gaining chemistry. There are no new pieces on the powerplay, at least the top unit. The PK is still dreadful. The top line combination has played two seasons together - the chemistry should be there by now but they're outchanced and don't look interested.

Reaching the coach is definitely the easy fix, because totally revamping the roster is almost impossible in a cap world.

 

[Saidin]

I hope the best for him , he’s been through hell with very serious injuries.
Wondering if he’ll contemplate retiring in the next year or so.

Why would he retire and miss out on a TON of money?

 

[Eyeseeing]

Why would he retire and miss out on a TON of money?

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Because he’s got a family .
A big bank account and has had a very severe neck injury and I believe 2 prior concussions and now this...

 

[sipowicz]

I can see a real improvement in Roslo's game and a real confidence with the puck and his reward from Maurice, the same ice time as always. I've been hard on Roslo (for his own good) especially for a lack of point production but looks like he's on the right track and at this point in his career should be getting more ice time.

Would love to see how Roslo would have flourished under a different HC or in a different org., think things would be a lot different in a good way!

 

[Howard Chuck]

To me, the game by game results are less of an issue to me than the overall play this year. They've been bad more often than not. They're lucky to be .500 thanks to some awesome goaltending. They've regressed in every category since 2017-18.

It's not only a young team gaining chemistry. There are no new pieces on the powerplay, at least the top unit. The PK is still dreadful. The top line combination has played two seasons together - the chemistry should be there by now but they're outchanced and don't look interested.

Reaching the coach is definitely the easy fix, because totally revamping the roster is almost impossible in a cap world.

Yes.

Their results in the first half of last season didn't match their play and there was plenty of talk that we got points that we shouldn't have during that period of time. The second half of last year, those crows came home to roost and our points fell off like they probably should have in the first half of the season.

This year is a continuation of that.

So the roster was what it was last year, there have been some D changes this year, but the results are the same. Some players have come back as much stronger players (Ehlers and Laine for sure), but no team improvement.

What is the common denominator?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

The team looks so unorganized and lost offensively. This was another game where they had very few quality chances and not a lot of consistent offensive zone time.

Hopefully they can figure something out.

They had 2 or 3 incidents of very long O zone time. Did a great job of keeping the puck alive. But got very few, if any shot attempts, much less quality scoring opportunities. Credit to both teams there. But no Jets goals. They really need to find a way to start scoring. A little more offense and the team D is good enough with the good goaltending we have been getting.