Lucas Raymond

[Shaman464]

Raymonds numbers are still better.

Numbers aren't everything. Detroit needs centers. Players like Raymond is way easier to find than a top 6 center. And Rossi is looking very good right now. And Sanderson looks like a stud.

Perfetti is not going to be a center long term. He’s won 33% of the faceoffs he’s taken so far in his NHL career and he hasn’t taken that many (for a reason).

I liked Raymond over both of these 2 players you mentioned as a prospect and I like him better as of today too.

Who knows, Larkin came into the NHL losing like 60% of the draws he took and playing a lot of wing. I like Rossi better because he could easily end this season with 30 goals as a center. Having a 22 year old 30 goal center on the 2nd line would be a huge boon on this team.

 

[Frk It]

Numbers aren't everything. Detroit needs centers. Players like Raymond is way easier to find than a top 6 center. And Rossi is looking very good right now. And Sanderson looks like a stud.


Who knows, Larkin came into the NHL losing like 60% of the draws he took and playing a lot of wing. I like Rossi better because he could easily end this season with 30 goals as a center. Having a 22 year old 30 goal center on the 2nd line would be a huge boon on this team.

Lmao. Raymond has 10 goals and 35 games. Rossi has 11 goals in 33 games. You are sitting here making it sound like Rossi is doing these great things and Raymond isn't.

And Rossi is a 5'8 center, I'm not sitting here wishing I had that dude. You go ahead.

I think it's like 50/50 both those guys end up back on the wing in a few years.

 

[Ezekial]

Man, have a couple week bad stretch and suddenly you're useless. Many of you deserve this team for real.

 

[SoupGuru]

Raymond started the season great. He hit people, he was hard to knock off the puck, he was assertive, he was creative.

This last month, that has all vanished. He's timid, makes terrible decisions, keeps to the perimeter, etc.

But the one thing that really bothers me is his body language. He just looks defeated. Not like someone that's optimistic they can work through their slump. He was the same last year. He just looks down.

 

[lilidk]

Everyone who plays with Larkin looks better than they are, problem is we have only one Larkin and he is not always healthy.
Solution,: draft intelligent dynamic players

 

[JediOrderPizza]

Everyone who plays with Larkin looks better than they are, problem is we have only one Larkin and he is not always healthy.
Solution,: draft intelligent dynamic players

Raymond looked great without Larkin a lot of this season tho.

 

[RedHawkDown]

He’s a “fine” complimentary player, nothing more. A guy who fill the role as a solid 3rd line winger. He’s not a “core” type of a guy you build your team around. Larks is arguably it, and time is ticking fast.

….i get not being high on Raymond but solid 3rd line winger is simply ridiculous. There are exactly zero third line wingers with his stat line across the entire NHL.

Numbers aren't everything. Detroit needs centers. Players like Raymond is way easier to find than a top 6 center. And Rossi is looking very good right now. And Sanderson looks like a stud.


Who knows, Larkin came into the NHL losing like 60% of the draws he took and playing a lot of wing. I like Rossi better because he could easily end this season with 30 goals as a center. Having a 22 year old 30 goal center on the 2nd line would be a huge boon on this team.

Signing a 2C in free agency isn’t difficult, there are several available every year. 1C is the hard position to fill. Rossi and Perfetti not and will not be 1Cs.

I’m not happy w the direction of the team either but some of this shit is straight up crazy

 

[norrisnick]

….i get not being high on Raymond but solid 3rd line winger is simply ridiculous. There are exactly zero third line wingers with his stat line across the entire NHL.


Signing a 2C in free agency isn’t difficult, there are several available every year. 1C is the hard position to fill. Rossi and Perfetti not and will not be 1Cs.

I’m not happy w the direction of the team either but some of this shit is straight up crazy

Every now and then trolls can't help but announce themselves as trolls. Believe them when they tell you who they are, and move on.

 

[Chelis Chili]

YOUNG STARS SPOTLIGHTED IN #NHLSTATS: LIVE UPDATES
The latest edition of #NHLStats: Live Updates featured noteworthy performances from several young stars, including Lucas Raymond (0-2—2) who factored on two of three Red Wings goals as they earned a shutout victory against the Flyers.

sauce: https://media.nhl.com/public/news/17635

 

[newfy]

Man some people sound stupid in this thread. Raymond is trending exactly how every wings fan should want him to. On pace for almost 70 points at 21 years old, spending a lot of the year on the 2nd powerplay. Not sure if its still true but up until a few weeks ago he was on pace for the 2nd highest net penalties drawn season ever as well.

Hes not a point per game player yet so I guess hes a third liner though...

 

[schuelma24]

3rd in points for U23 in the entire league. He’s doing great.

 

[Crunchy]

If he can just keep getting stronger, we're in business

 

[RedHawkDown]

I said it before and still think it - he’s going to be a 90 pt player for 3-4 years of his prime. He’ll hit 70 this year.

 

[raymond23]

He's such a dual threat

Leads the team in even strength points

 

[Roomba With a Bauer]

3rd in points for U23 in the entire league. He’s doing great.

I've always found it weird that we look at European leagues as development leagues and happily segregate by age - u19, u21, etc.

We should really do the same with the NHL. Unless you are a phenom there is absolutely a development curve. It might feel like forever but Raymond has only been in this league for 2.5 years. He hasn't even been old enough to drink for a year yet.

Give him two seasons of learning from Kane and let's see what he can do. I wouldn't be surprised to see the Wings rate the effect Kane will have on the young guys higher than the first rounder they could get for him.

 

[FMichael]

I said it before and still think it - he’s going to be a 90 pt player for 3-4 years of his prime. He’ll hit 70 this year.

I'll take 80 pts for 6 years Alex...

 

[KJoe88]

IMO.

Raymond is going to be a huge playoff performer.

 

[schuelma24]

41 points in 49 games, and I believe 7 points in his last 4.

 

[Preposterone]

If he can just keep getting stronger, we're in business

his fantastic penalty differential is a pretty clear sign that he’s making progress in that department

 

[FabricDetails]

When did they start putting Ray Ray out there to finish off a 1-2 goal game being 5 on 6?

Question is probably better in this thread.

 

[TheMule93]

He's taking the step that the franchise needed him to take

 

[SwedeChristoffer]

Question is probably better in this thread.

He has done it a little bit here and there previously, but I think he started being out there consistently at around the same time as Perron joined the Larkin line.

 

[The Real Pastafarian]

Question is probably better in this thread.

I was just going to go back over to the game thread to copy that and paste it here.

I'm thinking Raymond's versatility is related to the muscle he added last off-season.

I'm hoping he adds a little more muscle -- it doesn't seem to have slowed him down, he looks like the kind of guy that can handle it well and add it easily, and if he can add another 15 pounds he'd be Brad Marchand without the pathologies, an unstoppable little beast of a man.

 

[newfy]

his fantastic penalty differential is a pretty clear sign that he’s making progress in that department

I wonderi f hes still on pace for the second best of all time. There was talk of that a while ago but I dont know where you even find that stat tracked historically

 

[RedHawkDown]

I was just going to go back over to the game thread to copy that and paste it here.

I'm thinking Raymond's versatility is related to the muscle he added last off-season.

I'm hoping he adds a little more muscle -- it doesn't seem to have slowed him down, he looks like the kind of guy that can handle it well and add it easily, and if he can add another 15 pounds he'd be Brad Marchand without the pathologies, an unstoppable little beast of a man.

I totally agree. Another 10% strength and 10% speed and Raymond is Marner without the prima Donna attitude. Those two things need to be his focus this summer, he has the vision/hands/shot already, but still sometimes lacks that extra step to get away or that extra bit of strength to fight off checks.