GDT: Loss Angeles Kings @ Calgary Flames 3/29/07 6:00pm PST, 790 KABC FSW

[BigKing]

So you're looking for something more along this line out of Doughty.

In this instance, a Sen went after Allison and fought him which led to the Kings and Deadmarsh getting pissed. So I guess I'd like to see anyone on the Kings act like Deadmarsh here after the initial elbow and especially after the attempted hit last night.

There should be nothing going through Andreoff's head except "I'm going to kill this guy" after Tkachuk took the run at center ice. Instead, we get a "I don't want to take a penalty when we are basically out of the playoffs already" move which still led to a ****ing penalty against the Kings and Andreoff's ejection.

Of course, there was zero basis for giving Andreoff a game misconduct but that is another topic entirely and makes me wonder why I still pay for season seats to watch this league.

 

[KINGS17]

In this instance, a Sen went after Allison and fought him which led to the Kings and Deadmarsh getting pissed. So I guess I'd like to see anyone on the Kings act like Deadmarsh here after the initial elbow and especially after the attempted hit last night.

There should be nothing going through Andreoff's head except "I'm going to kill this guy" after Tkachuk took the run at center ice. Instead, we get a "I don't want to take a penalty when we are basically out of the playoffs already" move which still led to a ****ing penalty against the Kings and Andreoff's ejection.

Of course, there was zero basis for giving Andreoff a game misconduct but that is another topic entirely and makes me wonder why I still pay for season seats to watch this league.

I may be wrong, and this may not be the particular fight, but didn't Adam Deadmarsh fight a player who had given him a concussion as soon as he was back in the lineup and he played against the guy?

 

[AlphaBravo]

Sure, if you think this team has a chance of making the playoffs.

Since that is not happening, I don't care if they won the game. Of course, the big thing was the Iginla fight and not McNabb doing nothing to Tkachuk.

Kings really have nothing but pride to play for at this point and--just like most of the games--they are losing there as well.

Also, the point of Matthew Tkachuk is to score 50 points as a teenager. Simply labeling him a pest like he is Sean Avery or something is an insult to his skill level.

He's going to be a huge part of a division rival for a long time. He tested Doughty and the Kings with the elbow and they failed. He tested them both again last night and they--IMO--failed again.

Iginla stepped up but he kind of doesn't count because he is currently just a rental and not part of the core of this team or at least the guys that have been here all season. Remove Iginla from last night's game and we are still sitting here looking at a bunch of guys that essentially did nothing except have McNabb fall on top of Tkachuk.

All that being said, I'm still most upset with every Kings player on the ice when Tkachuk ran Doughty: especially Andreoff. Should of been a riot but, instead, Andreoff somehow gets a GM for a wimpy roughing penatly.

Andreoff is so useless. Don't drink, don't smoke...what do you do?

Look, I definitely hear you. I would have loved to see Andreoff or Clifford just grab Tkachuk and beat the snot out of him, especially after the DD attempted hit. But I think if the Kings acted like that the entire night and just kept targeting him or other Flames players, we would end up being the Vancouver Canucks during the Torts era and gotten a "moral victory" by steeping to their level.

I think the Kings response was the measured approach. Fight against Tkachuck, Iginla fight after Kopitar hit, and a dominant performance which denied the Flames a playoff clinch against the Kings.

Also, even though we are clearly out of the playoffs, it doesn't mean the Kings players should sacrifice games to goon it up. There is such thing as professional integrity as an athlete and throwing games just to get revenge does not fit within that model.

 

[kingsholygrail]

In all likelihood both teams were warned by the refs not to start **** after the second fight. It's not surprising Andreoff got tossed.

 

[KINGS17]

In all likelihood both teams were warned by the refs not to start **** after the second fight. It's not surprising Andreoff got tossed.

So what? Getting tossed from this particular game meant absolutely nothing.

 

[kingsholygrail]

So what? Getting tossed from this particular game meant absolutely nothing.

So they gave Andreoff extra because of the warning.

 

[BigKing]

I may be wrong, and this may not be the particular fight, but didn't Adam Deadmarsh fight a player who had given him a concussion as soon as he was back in the lineup and he played against the guy?

That happened when he was with the Avs. Jovo Cop.

The game from the clip featured Shane Hnidy fighting Allison. Kings didn't like that so Lappy fought a kind of non-fighter the next shift.

Deadmarsh then whooped up on Wade Redden the next shift and told Hnidy that "He was next" or whatever on his way to the box.

Finally had a line brawl with Potvin fighting. Neil was taking advantage of Eloranta so Adam Mair jumped off the bench to stop him, getting a 10 game suspension.

Great game.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

In this instance, a Sen went after Allison and fought him which led to the Kings and Deadmarsh getting pissed. So I guess I'd like to see anyone on the Kings act like Deadmarsh here after the initial elbow and especially after the attempted hit last night.

There should be nothing going through Andreoff's head except "I'm going to kill this guy" after Tkachuk took the run at center ice. Instead, we get a "I don't want to take a penalty when we are basically out of the playoffs already" move which still led to a ****ing penalty against the Kings and Andreoff's ejection.

Of course, there was zero basis for giving Andreoff a game misconduct but that is another topic entirely and makes me wonder why I still pay for season seats to watch this league.

Yeah, the Kings needed to send a message. They didn't. Tkachuk knows he's in the Kings players and Doughty's head from now on. Put the kid in his place and shut him up. Lucic would've done it.

 

[kingsholygrail]

That happened when he was with the Avs. Jovo Cop.

The game from the clip featured Shane Hnidy fighting Allison. Kings didn't like that so Lappy fought a kind of non-fighter the next shift.

Deadmarsh then whooped up on Wade Redden the next shift and told Hnidy that "He was next" or whatever on his way to the box.

Finally had a line brawl with Potvin fighting. Neil was taking advantage of Eloranta so Adam Mair jumped off the bench to stop him, getting a 10 game suspension.

Great game.

Player safety aside... I really miss line brawls. I don't hide the fact that the violence of the sport was very entertaining. There's a lot of passion there(though staged fights are crap and I never liked them)

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

When did Doughty become dirty?

When he hurt the Calgary media's feelings by calling Tkachuk dirty when he was far from the first one to say it.

This "pest" is one of their best players, not Tyson Nash.

He's also continuing to do whatever he wants out there.

Besides, who are all of these "pests" in the current NHL?

Other superstar players stick up for themselves. Guy is wearing a letter on his sweater. This also isn't a case of a pest playing Doughty hard: he flat out elbowed him in the chops, called him and the Kings out in the media and then proceeded to try to take his head off at center ice.

You can say to send an engraved invitation to all of the other pests in the league if he fights him: I can say that invitation has already been sent out by how he and the Kings have handled it.

They haven't fully legislated balls out of the sport, at least not yet.

Sorry, but this is *********. Tkachuk is a fantastic player, but he's not one of the best in the game, and this idea that Doughty has to respond for being elbowed in the face and calling him dirty is crap at best. Nick Lidstrom had one career fight.

Acting like Tkachuk has balls of steel is utter garbage, too. The guy has three fighting majors running around like he does. Want to know who they are? Noted fighters Alexander Wennberg, McNabb, and Cramarossa. He's dirty and a spot picker--hell, look at how he dropped the gloves and tried to jump muzzin, look at how he attacked mcnabb, trying to get the jump on him before his gloves were even off--and you want arguably our best player to fight him because he called a spade a spade. He's continuing to do what he wants out there because he can hide behind the refs and the rules of the current game. But it's only a matter of time.

I agree with the rest of what you said about the Kings being soft, though. Regardless, the Flames wanted to be the big tough 2012 Kings and just came off as the 2012 Canucks--whiny, divey, unable to actually handle themselves mentally when the going got tough, and employing their own version of Burrows in Tkachuk. I don't want us to hurt our draft position, but it's cathartic slapping the smugness out of them last night.

 

[BigKing]

When he hurt the Calgary media's feelings by calling Tkachuk dirty when he was far from the first one to say it.



Sorry, but this is *********. Tkachuk is a fantastic player, but he's not one of the best in the game, and this idea that Doughty has to respond for being elbowed in the face and calling him dirty is crap at best. Nick Lidstrom had one career fight.

Acting like Tkachuk has balls of steel is utter garbage, too. The guy has three fighting majors running around like he does. Want to know who they are? Noted fighters Alexander Wennberg, McNabb, and Cramarossa. He's dirty and a spot picker--hell, look at how he dropped the gloves and tried to jump muzzin, look at how he attacked mcnabb, trying to get the jump on him before his gloves were even off--and you want arguably our best player to fight him because he called a spade a spade. He's continuing to do what he wants out there because he can hide behind the refs and the rules of the current game. But it's only a matter of time.

I agree with the rest of what you said about the Kings being soft, though. Regardless, the Flames wanted to be the big tough 2012 Kings and just came off as the 2012 Canucks--whiny, divey, unable to actually handle themselves mentally when the going got tough, and employing their own version of Burrows in Tkachuk. I don't want us to hurt our draft position, but it's cathartic slapping the smugness out of them last night.

Doughty doesn't have to respond because he was elbowed, although many players would want to get their own revenge if that happened to them. I know Doughty isn't a fighter, but he also isn't Wayne Gretzky. He's a big boy who plays a physical game.

What I'd like for Doughty to do is to respond--at home--for the entirety of the Tkachuk stuff up to this point: especially after Tkachuk let it be known that he wasn't done targeting Doughty with the attempted open ice hit. This isn't a pest just jawing with one of the best players on this team: it's a guy looking to injure him.

Let it be known that I am completely fine with him not fighting him next game as long as someone on this team actually goes after Tkachuk properly, which would be to just start wailing on him at this point and it needs to be someone who can actually hurt him with a punch: not McNabb. Still, I would love to see more out of this leadership group and think it would be a good thing for Doughty and the team if he sacked up and stood up for himself at this point.

I don't think Tkachuk has balls of steel since it doesn't take much of anything to target Doughty and call the Kings out in the media since the response it so tepid. I do think he is a great player, wish we had him and his father is my favorite player ever. With that being said, I still want to see someone feed him his lunch and I don't care if he turtles and draws a major penalty out of it. That would actually be perfect since he'd be the one looking like a ***** instead of the Kings.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Doughty doesn't have to respond because he was elbowed, although many players would want to get their own revenge if that happened to them. I know Doughty isn't a fighter, but he also isn't Wayne Gretzky. He's a big boy who plays a physical game.

What I'd like for Doughty to do is to respond--at home--for the entirety of the Tkachuk stuff up to this point: especially after Tkachuk let it be known that he wasn't done targeting Doughty with the attempted open ice hit. This isn't a pest just jawing with one of the best players on this team: it's a guy looking to injure him.

Let it be known that I am completely fine with him not fighting him next game as long as someone on this team actually goes after Tkachuk properly, which would be to just start wailing on him at this point and it needs to be someone who can actually hurt him with a punch: not McNabb. Still, I would love to see more out of this leadership group and think it would be a good thing for Doughty and the team if he sacked up and stood up for himself at this point.

I don't think Tkachuk has balls of steel since it doesn't take much of anything to target Doughty and call the Kings out in the media since the response it so tepid. I do think he is a great player, wish we had him and his father is my favorite player ever. With that being said, I still want to see someone feed him his lunch and I don't care if he turtles and draws a major penalty out of it. That would actually be perfect since he'd be the one looking like a ***** instead of the Kings.

I can cheers to all of that. I just don't like the idea of Doughty responding much because I posted our splits with vs. without him on the ice and they're uuuuugly. Tkachuk wins that no matter what so long as there's something to play for and Glen Gulutzan knows that all too well from his time with the Stars. Now if we're mathematically eliminated at the end? Please, do it, so the two idiots this circus is in town for can call it evens.

 

[BigKing]

I can cheers to all of that. I just don't like the idea of Doughty responding much because I posted our splits with vs. without him on the ice and they're uuuuugly. Tkachuk wins that no matter what so long as there's something to play for and Glen Gulutzan knows that all too well from his time with the Stars. Now if we're mathematically eliminated at the end? Please, do it, so the two idiots this circus is in town for can call it evens.

Yeah, I just consider them eliminated already so I could of seen it last night.

Like I mentioned earlier: I was expecting more at next week's home game. They should be mathematically eliminated at that point so I hope to see some retribution while not worrying about putting the team on the PK.

Something that Andreoff did twice last night anyways while doing absolutely ****ing nothing.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Why are we arguing about who should and shouldn't respond when we're 10 points out of the playoffs and these games are meaningless?

Go out there and crack some skulls. It's hockey. And we ain't got **** to lose.

With BigKing 100% here. This team is spineless sans Iginla, and the old Sutter park and ride never get rattled mantra doesn't mean **** to me when we're a losing team. Have some pride. Beat some people up. Why is this an argument

 

[Little Psycho]

They better play Nolan next game instead of useless Andy

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Also don't forget that Sharks game at the beginning of 09/10, the first year we made the playoffs in almost a decade.

Someone took a run at Kopitar and Ivanans and everyone else on the ice went absolute ape ****.

And what about Vancouver 2012 game three? Brown hit on Sedin? Line brawl? Kopitar fighting Burrows?

THAT'S a contending team.

 

[Herby]

Also don't forget that Sharks game at the beginning of 09/10, the first year we made the playoffs in almost a decade.

Someone took a run at Kopitar and Ivanans and everyone else on the ice went absolute ape ****.

And what about Vancouver 2012 game three? Brown hit on Sedin? Line brawl? Kopitar fighting Burrows?

THAT'S a contending team.

And this team is a country club.

Everyone got paid and no one cares.

 

[KingsFan7824]

This team is spineless sans Iginla, and the old Sutter park and ride never get rattled mantra doesn't mean **** to me when we're a losing team.

Yeah, as is usually the case in life, your greatest strength becomes your greatest weakness. What got them through the tough times before, is what couldn't get them through the tough times now. When your locker room goes from Richards, Williams, Mitchell, Stoll, Regehr, and even Greene, to Shore, Dowd, Forbort, McNabb, and Gravel, it's simply not going to be the same. Now Kopitar, Brown, Doughty, Carter, Gaborik, Muzzin, Martinez, all have to be what those other vets used to be, Toffoli, Pearson, and those kind of guys now have to be what Kopitar, Doughty, etc, were before, and Kempe, Forbort, etc, have to be what Toffoli and Pearson were.

 

[WHOneedsSOX]

Also don't forget that Sharks game at the beginning of 09/10, the first year we made the playoffs in almost a decade.

Someone took a run at Kopitar and Ivanans and everyone else on the ice went absolute ape ****.

And what about Vancouver 2012 game three? Brown hit on Sedin? Line brawl? Kopitar fighting Burrows?

THAT'S a contending team.

2014 series against San Jose. Regehr got in a fight with Burns for going after Gaborik. Williams got in a fight. Richards got in a fight and broke Couture's hand.

 

[kingsfan28]

They better play Nolan next game instead of useless Andy

AA tried to fight him after the hit on Doughty, the kid turtled and hid behind the ref. Funny how he wouldn't fight Clifford or AA, yet he tried to jump Muzzin and then later on even with McNabb .

 

[kingsfan28]

When he hurt the Calgary media's feelings by calling Tkachuk dirty when he was far from the first one to say it.



Sorry, but this is *********. Tkachuk is a fantastic player, but he's not one of the best in the game, and this idea that Doughty has to respond for being elbowed in the face and calling him dirty is crap at best. Nick Lidstrom had one career fight.

Acting like Tkachuk has balls of steel is utter garbage, too. The guy has three fighting majors running around like he does. Want to know who they are? Noted fighters Alexander Wennberg, McNabb, and Cramarossa. He's dirty and a spot picker--hell, look at how he dropped the gloves and tried to jump muzzin, look at how he attacked mcnabb, trying to get the jump on him before his gloves were even off--and you want arguably our best player to fight him because he called a spade a spade. He's continuing to do what he wants out there because he can hide behind the refs and the rules of the current game. But it's only a matter of time.

I agree with the rest of what you said about the Kings being soft, though. Regardless, the Flames wanted to be the big tough 2012 Kings and just came off as the 2012 Canucks--whiny, divey, unable to actually handle themselves mentally when the going got tough, and employing their own version of Burrows in Tkachuk. I don't want us to hurt our draft position, but it's cathartic slapping the smugness out of them last night.

What they also did was scare the crap out of their scorers. Johnny hockey and the other midgets stayed around the perimeter all night and refused to get involved once the heavy hitting started. You could tell they were afraid of getting hit.

 

[Rusty Batch]

With BigKing 100% here. This team is spineless sans Iginla, and the old Sutter park and ride never get rattled mantra doesn't mean **** to me when we're a losing team. Have some pride. Beat some people up. Why is this an argument

Lol spineless... Love how tough and gritty internet posters are. These spineless guys are playing an incredibly physical sport at the highest level. So spineless.

 

[HookKing]

AA tried to fight him after the hit on Doughty, the kid turtled and hid behind the ref. Funny how he wouldn't fight Clifford or AA, yet he tried to jump Muzzin and then later on even with McNabb .

Exactly, the last thing the kings need is have their elite defenseman fighting a pile of **** like Tkachuk. Likewise, Carter had no business fighting Kesler. That latter fight may well have cost the Kings a playoff spot. And what's all this about Tkachuk getting in Doughty's head. Looked to me like it was the flames looking over their shoulders last night.

 

[Herby]

Lol spineless... Love how tough and gritty internet posters are. These spineless guys are playing an incredibly physical sport at the highest level. So spineless.

Then why discuss anything?

They are also extremely well compensated.

 

[member 88115]

Doughty doesn't have to respond because he was elbowed, although many players would want to get their own revenge if that happened to them. I know Doughty isn't a fighter, but he also isn't Wayne Gretzky. He's a big boy who plays a physical game.

What I'd like for Doughty to do is to respond--at home--for the entirety of the Tkachuk stuff usp to this point: especially after Tkachuk let it be known that he wasn't done targeting Doughty with the attempted open ice hit. This isn't a pest just jawing with one of the best players on this team: it's a guy looking to injure him.

Let it be known that I am completely fine with him not fighting him next game as long as someone on this team actually goes after Tkachuk properly, which would be to just start wailing on him at this point and it needs to be someone who can actually hurt him with a punch: not McNabb. Still, I would love to see more out of this leadership group and think it would be a good thing for Doughty and the team if he sacked up and stood up for himself at this point.

I don't think Tkachuk has balls of steel since it doesn't take much of anything to target Doughty and call the Kings out in the media since the response it so tepid. I do think he is a great player, wish we had him and his father is my favorite player ever. With that being said, I still want to see someone feed him his lunch and I don't care if he turtles and draws a major penalty out of it. That would actually be perfect since he'd be the one looking like a ***** instead of the Kings.

Tkachuck was running around like he had balls of steel because at the beginning of the game his coach put on the ice when Andy and Clifford were not. After Andy went after Tkachuck, he went away and became target that even Brown nailed his ass three time in 10 seconds and just took it. Not getting how useless Andy hate, when linesman was not going to let him kick the crap out of Tkaturtle.