WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
He won't play in the NHL next year unless we get decimated by injuries again.
MSL and Robidas won't be able to live with the mistakes defensively.
Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread
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He won't play in the NHL next year unless we get decimated by injuries again.
MSL and Robidas won't be able to live with the mistakes defensively.
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Sensitive? Nah! Just pointing out the nonsense of comparing how one looks in the NCAA vs how one looks in The Show at the same age.
Nice to see Mailloux getting an extended post-season this year after his suspension and shoulder injury significantly cut into his games played a year ago.
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I don’t know how anyone can say this. It simply isn’t true. The upside and the floor are both greater with Wright.
Slaf is taller though.
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My point is that, unless your his mother or agent, there is now the dreaded consensus that Wright did not warranted being the first overall pick in the last draft. The same can yet be said about Slafkovsky. That uncertainty, in itself, provides Slafkovsky with the patina of having a higher ceiling. We could have avoided all this unease by just selecting Cooley who clearly was the most dynamic of the three.
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kid reminds me of Malakhov, the good and bad. That would be an ok scenario
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HuGort
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Mailloux 5 points in 4 games looks like he is having a good playoff. Guhle and Xhekaj both had good playoffs a year ago and made the Habs. Like to see Mailloux have good camp and make big club next year
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The concerns with Mailloux's current NHL readiness are mainly on the defensive end.
It will be interesting to see what happens though if Mailloux is ready early and we can actually stay healthy. Because someone will have to be moved.
Or, do you mean there is a few wrongs in every draft and we should beware?
If Mailloux were to make the team out of camp (I'd prefer he didn't, but, let,s say his game gives no choice --we'd be in a great situation, then), the right side would like be Savard (overplayed with Guhle, again), Barron, Mailloux, to start.
The left side would be Guhle, Matheson and Xhekaj/Harris.
We'd have two extra Ds in one of Xhekaj/Harris on the left side and Kovacevic on the right side.
I'm assuming Edmundson has been moved.
Are 8 Ds too much?
Not really, but it's not ideal if 6 of those 8 Ds are kids and the two veterans left over won't be seated much.
Kids need to play. I assume that Kovacevic would play in Laval, as Harris could play either side.
Does that make sense? I don't think that Kovacevic is waiver eligible...
I don't think that Xhekaj gets sent down to Laval, but it might be easier to do that since he missed time due to injury.
I just hope he doesn't end up fighting all the time in the AHL for nothing. pretty sure he'll be challenged by some dolts looking for a way up to the NHL...
I'd prefer Xhekaj stay and play with Mailloux to start, but, ultimately, it should become Guhle-Mailloux down the line.
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I remember Sam Pollock on Montreal radio, years ago, lengthy playoff run usually prime development time for prospect. He could come a long ways in short time
Agree….he needs his reps in the AHL to fine tune this part of his game. Unless he figures it all out in this playoff run, which is very unlikely, it’s Laval fir Mailloux for a full
Season and more
Trade, buyout, waive or compliance freebee, it’s still garbage he inherited from a 28th place team
The only games he’s gonna see is in preseason…even with injuries, he’s too important to mismanage his development. Leave him in the AHL no matter what….they can recall Struble or Trudeau or Beaudin.
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Agreed, if they weren't willing to play through Barron's mistakes who came in as a more competent defender than Mailloux then I can't see them tolerating the latter's miscues and wanting to keep him up.
I suppose the RHD factor could be a variable that increases his odds but I would be shocked to see him make a remotely healthy squad out of camp.
As a caveat I will say that Xhekaj made the team despite also having demonstrated some poor decision making at times in junior and was allowed to learn on the job but Mailloux is younger and a little more raw.
I wouldn't be so bold as to declare that we won't see him at all next season as development is rarely linear and if he takes a big step under pro tutelage who knows what will happen but if I was a betting man I would lay a small wager on him staying in Laval.
Bergevin thought he was getting Mailloux at a discount and he may or may not have. It’s looking like a reasonable pick if he stays healthy and doesn’t do anymore really dumb stuff.
Chances are the best players from the last draft won’t include Wright or Slaf. I expect the pick reflected the habs long list of smallish skilled prospects more than an expectation that Wright would fail. Cooley is smallish, other prospects were D. Slaf was a Bergevin “if he makes the team he’s got size pick.” I’d call it a bad pick but the other options weren’t that appealing. I wonder if they tried to trade down.
Chances are the best players from the last draft won’t include Wright or Slaf. I expect the pick reflected the habs long list of smallish skilled prospects more than an expectation that Wright would fail. Cooley is smallish, other prospects were D. Slaf was a Bergevin “if he makes the team he’s got size pick.” I’d call it a bad pick but the other options weren’t that appealing. I wonder if they tried to trade down.
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Drafting 17 and 18 year old players is, except in exceptional cases, an imperfect science. I wouldn’t compound the challenge by placing too much reliance on the prevailing consensus.
In Wright’s case the warning bells, at least to this observer and at least three NHL teams, were clear, regardless of statistics and the ever present consensus. One only has to ask if there was a re-do of the 2022 draft today would Wright be taken in the top five, let alone first overall? Or would the decision makers finally conclude that this emperor truly has no clothes on?
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I don’t think Slaf goes first in a redo, I don’t think he should have been first this draft and ultimately I think Wright is going to make a lot of scouts and armchair GM’s look silly imo.
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Robidas made it through the NHL being suspect defensively and continuously live with Matheson and his ineptness in the defensive zone. Granted Matheson, at times, is a different player in the O zone.
Barron is rather suspect defensively and Harris is hit, or miss.
Assuming they get decimated by injuries and he does play, they'll be understanding of him learning and knowing he's there before he's expected.
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Kovacevic has to go through waivers. We got him on waivers...
I already don't want Harris, Kovacevic, and Xhekaj sitting for long stretches. But if it came down to it, it wouldn't be the end of the world for Harris or Xhekaj to spend long stretches in Laval while they await injuries...
I would move Savard once everyone has shown they're ready and if everyone is healthy over a long stretch. Wideman is a good 8th dman.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
Mailloux is suspect defensively at the OHL level.. it will be magnified in the NHL.
I don't think people have quantified just how much work is left for Mailloux to defend at an acceptable level for the AHL relative to his offense, let alone the NHL.
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A bigger question should be is how many ‘people’ have actually watched Mailloux play? And I don’t mean just watching high-lights of his obvious offensive skills. But watching and assessing as to how he defends against rushing opponents: makes the correct read in the defensive zone; how he closes the gap on opposing forwards; uses physicality when needed; displays strength on his skates, agility and lateral mobility; his compete level and overall stamina.
There’s much to like in Mailloux’s game: he has an NHL level shot; has the best first pass among OHL defencemen; has elite level offensive vision and has the stride, length and explosiveness to be a plus level skater in the NHL. But at this stage of Mailloux’s development it is my opinion that this kid will have trouble coping defensively with the speed and physicality of the game he will be facing in the NHL.
If we all acknowledge that this team is not realistically competing next year, why the rush? Let this intriguing prospect learn his trade and hone his skills in the AHL next year and join the team when both he and the team are ready to take their collective next step towards relevancy.
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Mailloux has made big strides in his defensive game from last season, where his game will be at next year will be very interesting to see. I would expect to see him in Laval, in what will be I'm guessing a young and inexperienced group unless someone is traded cause there's a lot of D prospects next year to find ice time for.
