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The thing I kinda dislike about Mailloux is that he's, usually, the type of player that ends up being more expensive than his actual value on the ice.

The good thing is there are always stupid GMs in the league, if he doesn't improve defensively but still puts up points someone will overpay.

Ristolainen was average offensively and sucked ass defensively, but still got the 14th overall pick and a 2nd because GMs are always horny for big guys who can skate.
 

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The good thing is there are always stupid GMs in the league, if he doesn't improve defensively but still puts up points someone will overpay.

Ristolainen was average offensively and sucked ass defensively, but still got the 14th overall pick and a 2nd because GMs are always horny for big guys who can skate.
Probably preferable to an attraction to small guys who can’t skate.
 

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Mailloux 5 points in 4 games looks like he is having a good playoff. Guhle and Xhekaj both had good playoffs a year ago and made the Habs. Like to see Mailloux have good camp and make big club next year
who could he even displace?
 

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Kovacevic has to go through waivers. We got him on waivers...
I already don't want Harris, Kovacevic, and Xhekaj sitting for long stretches. But if it came down to it, it wouldn't be the end of the world for Harris or Xhekaj to spend long stretches in Laval while they await injuries...

I would move Savard once everyone has shown they're ready and if everyone is healthy over a long stretch. Wideman is a good 8th dman.
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kid reminds me of Malakhov, the good and bad. That would be an ok scenario

He plays with more of an edge than Malakhov and what did not help help Malakov was he did not have the most outgoing personality. Which is not something Mailloux will ever have a problem with. lol
 

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He plays with more of an edge than Malakhov and what did not help help Malakov was he did not have the most outgoing personality. Which is not something Mailloux will ever have a problem with. lol
When malakhov went off the rails he was scary and a problem. He could never put all that emotion together , he was a special player that struggles with motivation and consistency but an amazing talent
 

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kid reminds me of Malakhov, the good and bad. That would be an ok scenario


High praise indeed. In this writer's opinion, Malakhov, along with Richer, were two of the most physically talented players who ever skated for this storied franchise. While Malakhov quickly came to mind when I first saw Mailloux skate (his comparative size and similar loping skating style) I would suggest that there are material qualitative differences between these two players. While it is always a tricky business to try to compare players from two distinct eras, (particularly when one player is still a mere future project) here is my very short assessment:

OVERALL: While Mailloux is an intriguing prospect who possesses size, skating ability and a high-end skillset, he is no Malakhov level player, or at least not yet. Malakhov was a physical freak, who had great size (6'4", 230 lbs), was easily one of the best skaters in the NHL and possessed one of the best wrist shots in the league. Malakhov's skill gave him the rare ability of being able to take over a game which ability was never better displayed when he played an important role in the Islanders' surprising elimination of the defending Stanley Cup Champions, Pittsburgh Penguins (with Lemieux & company) in the 1993 playoffs. It was an upset that opened the door to Montreal's last Cup win. Montreal did face the Islanders on the path to their last Cup win and Malakhov put on a show in that Islanders' loss. His talent was manifest to anyone who watched that series. No Montreal player could touch Malakhov's level of play when Malakhov decided to apply himself. It was therefore no great surprise when Montreal made the trade to acquire Malakhov the following year (April 1995). In one of the biggest trades since Pollock obtained Frank Mahovlich in 1971, Montreal obtained Malakhov and Turgeon for Muller and Schneider. It was a great trade and had Malakhov been able to focus and direct his sizeable talents, Montreal may have well won a few more cups in those years. But, alas, such was not the case and Montreal eventually traded the troubled Malakhov to the Devils for a then largely unknown defenceman: Sheldon Souray. Bottom line, even if he achieves his fully projected development level, Mailloux will never have the skills that Malakhov possessed. Mailloux may well be a better player, but it will be through the use of a skill set that will be significantly lower that Malakhov's.

Skating; There is no comparison, Malakhov was a superior skater than what Mailloux projects to be. Malakhov had faster accelleration, better lateral skating ability and a better top end speed. Mailloux is good, but Malakhov was largely in a class of his own.

Defensive Play: Again, there is no comparison as Malakhov's skating, reach, size and anticipation allowed him to shut down top NHL forwards. Mailloux remains a work in progress in the defensive zone.

Shooting: This is an area where the two players are quite similar. Both have elite shooting ability and pose a threat to any opposing team. Malakhov had the ability to get his shot off quickly and get his shot through blocking defenders and hit the net. This is a skill that Mailloux must still develop.

Offensive Vision: While Malakhov had an efficient first pass, Mailloux's passing ability is already off the chart. Mailloux's first pass will be a real weapon for the team and will rival Subban's first pass, who, in my opinion, together with Harvey and Chelios, possessed Montreal's best first pass capability.

BOTTOM LINE: I still remain confident that when he fully develops Mailloux will be a strong player for Montreal. But expecting him to be another Malakhov is a bit of a stretch. As the saying goes, he'll do it his way.
 
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High praise indeed. In this writer's opinion, Malakhov, along with Richer, were two of the most physically talented players who ever skated for this storied franchise. While, Malakov quickly came to mind when I first saw Mailloux skate (his comparative size and similar loping skating style) I would suggest that there are material qualitative differences between these two players. While it is always a tricky business to try to compare players from two distinct eras, (particularly when one player is still a mere future project) here is my very short assessment:

OVERALL: While Mailloux is an intriguing prospect who possesses size, skating ability and a high-end skillset, he is no Malakhov level player, or at least not yet. Malakhov was a physical freak, who had great size (6'4", 230 lbs), was easily one of the best skaters in the NHL and possessed one of the best wrist shots in the league. Malakhov's skill gave him the rare ability of being able to take over a game which ability was never better displayed when he played an important role in the Islanders' surprising elimination of the defending Stanley Cup Champions, Pittsburgh Penguins (with Lemieux & company) in the 1993 playoffs. It was an upset that opened the door to Montreal's last Cup win. Montreal did face the Islanders on the path to their last Cup win and Malakhov put on a show in that Islanders' loss. His talent was manifest to anyone who watched that series. No Montreal player could touch Malakhov's level of play when Malakhov decided to apply himself. It was therefore no great surprise when Montreal made the trade to acquire Malakhov the following year (April 1995). In one of the biggest trades since Pollock obtained Frank Mahovlich in 1971, Montreal obtained Malakhov and Turgeon for Muller and Schneider. It was a great trade and had Malakhov been able to focus and direct his sizeable talents, Montreal may have well won a few more cups in those years. But, alas, such was not the case and Montreal eventually traded the troubled Malakhov to the Devils for a then largely unknown defenceman: Sheldon Souray. Bottom line, even if he achieves his fully projected development level, Mailloux will never have the skills that Malakhov possessed. Mailloux may well be a better player, but it will be through the use of a skill set that will be significantly lower that Malakhov's.

Skating; There is no comparison, Malakhov was a superior skater than what Mailloux projects to be. Malakhov had faster accelleration, better lateral skating ability and a better top end speed. Mailloux is good, but Malakhov was largely in a class of his own.

Defensive Play: Again, there is no comparison as Malakhov's skating, reach, size and anticipation allowed him to shut down top NHL forwards. Mailloux remains a work in progress in the defensive zone.

Shooting: This is an area where the two players are quite similar. Both have elite shooting ability and pose a threat to any opposing team. Malakhov had the ability to get his shot off quickly and get his shot through blocking defenders and hit the net. This is a skill that Mailloux must still develop.

Offensive Vision: While Malakhov had an efficient first pass, Mailloux's passing ability is already off the chart. Mailloux's first pass will be a real weapon for the team and will rival Subban's first pass, who, in my opinion, together with Harvey and Chelios, possessed Montreal's best first pass capability.

BOTTOM LINE: I still remain confident that when he fully develops Mailloux will be a strong player for Montreal. But expecting him to be another Malakhov is a bit of a stretch. As the saying goes, he'll do it his way.
Now do Orr v Malakhov
 

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It’s all a question of progression. If Mailloux reaches his full potential, he will outperform any of the other prospects that you refer to. I fall within the camp that believes Mailloux will reach that potential and thus believe any talk of trading him in an effort to secure a quick fix is pure folly.
You believe he will become a 20+ goal 60 point #1 D?
 

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Yeah cause we've watched him play defense and make questionable reads.

I don't know why Bouillon is thinking that because it's glaringly obvious to everyone who has watched him play. He's still very raw.

Could he score goals on a NHL PP today? Absolutely.. but if you guys have an issue with Barron, I don't know what to tell you re: Mailloux defensively.
Just because he says he is closest doesn’t mean he is ready for next year.

When looking at our prospects, none of them are ready next year barring a miracle. They are all 1-2 seasons in their respective leagues before pushing for a PRO spot, AHL or NHL
 
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Robidas made it through the NHL being suspect defensively and continuously live with Matheson and his ineptness in the defensive zone. Granted Matheson, at times, is a different player in the O zone.

Barron is rather suspect defensively and Harris is hit, or miss.

Assuming they get decimated by injuries and he does play, they'll be understanding of him learning and knowing he's there before he's expected.
The 'myth' of Matheson being INEPT in the defensive zone lives on. Matheson's two-way game has vastly improved and his ability to take away pucks on the back check are vastly under-rated, IMO.

I'd just say that INEPT is a huge overstatement.

Kovacevic has to go through waivers. We got him on waivers...
I already don't want Harris, Kovacevic, and Xhekaj sitting for long stretches. But if it came down to it, it wouldn't be the end of the world for Harris or Xhekaj to spend long stretches in Laval while they await injuries...

I would move Savard once everyone has shown they're ready and if everyone is healthy over a long stretch. Wideman is a good 8th dman.
Yeah, about Kovacevic. Brain fart. Thanks.

Mailloux has made big strides in his defensive game from last season, where his game will be at next year will be very interesting to see. I would expect to see him in Laval, in what will be I'm guessing a young and inexperienced group unless someone is traded cause there's a lot of D prospects next year to find ice time for.
There's also a lot of F prospects to find ice time for; Roy, Kidney, Mesar, Farrell, Heineman, Slafkovsky as possibilities.
 

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When malakhov went off the rails he was scary and a problem. He could never put all that emotion together , he was a special player that struggles with motivation and consistency but an amazing talent
I remember seeing him fight and lay out the opponent with one punch when he got upset.

I hope I'm remembering the right guy?
 

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When malakhov went off the rails he was scary and a problem. He could never put all that emotion together , he was a special player that struggles with motivation and consistency but an amazing talent
On the ski slopes, apparently.
 
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High praise indeed. In this writer's opinion, Malakhov, along with Richer, were two of the most physically talented players who ever skated for this storied franchise. While, Malakov quickly came to mind when I first saw Mailloux skate (his comparative size and similar loping skating style) I would suggest that there are material qualitative differences between these two players. While it is always a tricky business to try to compare players from two distinct eras, (particularly when one player is still a mere future project) here is my very short assessment:

OVERALL: While Mailloux is an intriguing prospect who possesses size, skating ability and a high-end skillset, he is no Malakhov level player, or at least not yet. Malakhov was a physical freak, who had great size (6'4", 230 lbs), was easily one of the best skaters in the NHL and possessed one of the best wrist shots in the league. Malakhov's skill gave him the rare ability of being able to take over a game which ability was never better displayed when he played an important role in the Islanders' surprising elimination of the defending Stanley Cup Champions, Pittsburgh Penguins (with Lemieux & company) in the 1993 playoffs. It was an upset that opened the door to Montreal's last Cup win. Montreal did face the Islanders on the path to their last Cup win and Malakhov put on a show in that Islanders' loss. His talent was manifest to anyone who watched that series. No Montreal player could touch Malakhov's level of play when Malakhov decided to apply himself. It was therefore no great surprise when Montreal made the trade to acquire Malakhov the following year (April 1995). In one of the biggest trades since Pollock obtained Frank Mahovlich in 1971, Montreal obtained Malakhov and Turgeon for Muller and Schneider. It was a great trade and had Malakhov been able to focus and direct his sizeable talents, Montreal may have well won a few more cups in those years. But, alas, such was not the case and Montreal eventually traded the troubled Malakhov to the Devils for a then largely unknown defenceman: Sheldon Souray. Bottom line, even if he achieves his fully projected development level, Mailloux will never have the skills that Malakhov possessed. Mailloux may well be a better player, but it will be through the use of a skill set that will be significantly lower that Malakhov's.

Skating; There is no comparison, Malakhov was a superior skater than what Mailloux projects to be. Malakhov had faster accelleration, better lateral skating ability and a better top end speed. Mailloux is good, but Malakhov was largely in a class of his own.

Defensive Play: Again, there is no comparison as Malakhov's skating, reach, size and anticipation allowed him to shut down top NHL forwards. Mailloux remains a work in progress in the defensive zone.

Shooting: This is an area where the two players are quite similar. Both have elite shooting ability and pose a threat to any opposing team. Malakhov had the ability to get his shot off quickly and get his shot through blocking defenders and hit the net. This is a skill that Mailloux must still develop.

Offensive Vision: While Malakhov had an efficient first pass, Mailloux's passing ability is already off the chart. Mailloux's first pass will be a real weapon for the team and will rival Subban's first pass, who, in my opinion, together with Harvey and Chelios, possessed Montreal's best first pass capability.

BOTTOM LINE: I still remain confident that when he fully develops Mailloux will be a strong player for Montreal. But expecting him to be another Malakhov is a bit of a stretch. As the saying goes, he'll do it his way.
That's funny because I don't quite remember Subban's supposedly elite first pass ability at the NHL level you mention -- maybe that's because he rarely used it if he still had it.

But I remember it from footage of his play in the minors. Another reason why I think that Subban was never as good as he could have been because of personal choices regarding his own style of play.

BTW, I love how th auto-correct always wants Subban to be called : Suburban.

You know, we now have a Power Horse, but we once had a Suburban...
 
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Just because he says he is closest doesn’t mean he is ready for next year.

When looking at our prospects, none of them are ready next year barring a miracle. They are all 1-2 seasons in their respective leagues before pushing for a PRO spot, AHL or NHL
I disagree about your overall assessment, but definitely agree that, outside of, maybe, Heineman, no prospects will be ready for next season (at least in Montreal). It will be a lull year in terms of new talent graduating to Montreal from currently within the system (don't know about the 2023 draft).

Roy, Kidney, Mesar, Farrell, Heineman can all play in Laval, as well as Mailloux, Struble and Trudeau. How they do is another question...
 

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I disagree about your overall assessment, but definitely agree that, outside of, maybe, Heineman, no prospects will be ready for next season (at least in Montreal). It will be a lull year in terms of new talent graduating to Montreal from currently within the system (don't know about the 2023 draft).

Roy, Kidney, Mesar, Farrell, Heineman can all play in Laval, as well as Mailloux, Struble and Trudeau. How they do is another question...

To the AHL experts, does the following D core have enough AHL experience:

Struble Norlinder
Trudeau Mailloux
Fairbrother Beaudin
 

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I disagree about your overall assessment, but definitely agree that, outside of, maybe, Heineman, no prospects will be ready for next season (at least in Montreal). It will be a lull year in terms of new talent graduating to Montreal from currently within the system (don't know about the 2023 draft).

Roy, Kidney, Mesar, Farrell, Heineman can all play in Laval, as well as Mailloux, Struble and Trudeau. How they do is another question...
I meant Defensman and as far as the ones already graduating I excluded them.

Hutson, Mailloux, engstrom.
Those Are the ones I meant sorry.

Mailloux has missed a lot of time, it’s a decision to be made but I think the right one is junior. He will onky
Be 19/20 and after his decisions off ice and the decisions of the NHL I think he has earned another year of junior.
 

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High praise indeed. In this writer's opinion, Malakhov, along with Richer, were two of the most physically talented players who ever skated for this storied franchise. While Malakhov quickly came to mind when I first saw Mailloux skate (his comparative size and similar loping skating style) I would suggest that there are material qualitative differences between these two players. While it is always a tricky business to try to compare players from two distinct eras, (particularly when one player is still a mere future project) here is my very short assessment:

OVERALL: While Mailloux is an intriguing prospect who possesses size, skating ability and a high-end skillset, he is no Malakhov level player, or at least not yet. Malakhov was a physical freak, who had great size (6'4", 230 lbs), was easily one of the best skaters in the NHL and possessed one of the best wrist shots in the league. Malakhov's skill gave him the rare ability of being able to take over a game which ability was never better displayed when he played an important role in the Islanders' surprising elimination of the defending Stanley Cup Champions, Pittsburgh Penguins (with Lemieux & company) in the 1993 playoffs. It was an upset that opened the door to Montreal's last Cup win. Montreal did face the Islanders on the path to their last Cup win and Malakhov put on a show in that Islanders' loss. His talent was manifest to anyone who watched that series. No Montreal player could touch Malakhov's level of play when Malakhov decided to apply himself. It was therefore no great surprise when Montreal made the trade to acquire Malakhov the following year (April 1995). In one of the biggest trades since Pollock obtained Frank Mahovlich in 1971, Montreal obtained Malakhov and Turgeon for Muller and Schneider. It was a great trade and had Malakhov been able to focus and direct his sizeable talents, Montreal may have well won a few more cups in those years. But, alas, such was not the case and Montreal eventually traded the troubled Malakhov to the Devils for a then largely unknown defenceman: Sheldon Souray. Bottom line, even if he achieves his fully projected development level, Mailloux will never have the skills that Malakhov possessed. Mailloux may well be a better player, but it will be through the use of a skill set that will be significantly lower that Malakhov's.

Skating; There is no comparison, Malakhov was a superior skater than what Mailloux projects to be. Malakhov had faster accelleration, better lateral skating ability and a better top end speed. Mailloux is good, but Malakhov was largely in a class of his own.

Defensive Play: Again, there is no comparison as Malakhov's skating, reach, size and anticipation allowed him to shut down top NHL forwards. Mailloux remains a work in progress in the defensive zone.

Shooting: This is an area where the two players are quite similar. Both have elite shooting ability and pose a threat to any opposing team. Malakhov had the ability to get his shot off quickly and get his shot through blocking defenders and hit the net. This is a skill that Mailloux must still develop.

Offensive Vision: While Malakhov had an efficient first pass, Mailloux's passing ability is already off the chart. Mailloux's first pass will be a real weapon for the team and will rival Subban's first pass, who, in my opinion, together with Harvey and Chelios, possessed Montreal's best first pass capability.

BOTTOM LINE: I still remain confident that when he fully develops Mailloux will be a strong player for Montreal. But expecting him to be another Malakhov is a bit of a stretch. As the saying goes, he'll do it his way.
I remember how Malakhov can play against Jagr.
 

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As I previously noted, I have watched this team close to seventy years and in my opinion Malakhov and Richer were the two most physically talented players that I ever saw play for the Canadiens. In Malakhov's case, I came away impressed the first time I had a chance to closely watch him play in the 1993 playoffs: first against the Penguins and then the Canadiens. When he wanted to, Malakhov was the most dominant player on the ice. What a combination of size, skating and skill he possessed. As for Richer, the first time I had an opportunity to watch him was in the 1985 WJC where I saw him skate away and through the Russians with ease. And that shot off the wing. It's interesting in that I have the same vibes about Fantilli that I first had about Richer almost 40 years ago. I know many here want to give away the farm for Dubois. But if it was me, I would offer our two first draft choices in the upcoming draft (and more) to move up to be in a position to draft Fantilli. This kid has star written all over him.

As for Malakhov and Richer, its a real shame that both had to battle their personal devils: as they were battles that truly diminished what could have been great, if not, Hall of Fame careers. They both possessed the necessary transformational talent. A true shame.
 
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… if it was me, I would offer our two first draft choices in the upcoming draft (and more) to move up to be in a position to draft Fantilli. This kid has star written all over him.
There’s a reason early picks never get moved.

If the Habs had that 2nd pick overall, would you favor them trading it? I wouldn’t.
 

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As I previously noted, I have watched this team close to seventy years and in my opinion Malakhov and Richer were the two most physically talented players that I ever saw play for the Canadiens. In Malakhov's case, I came away impressed the first time I had a chance to closely watch him play in the 1993 playoffs: first against the Penguins and then the Canadiens. When he wanted to, Malakhov was the most dominant player on the ice. What a combination of size, skating and skill he possessed. As for Richer, the first time I had an opportunity to watch him was in the 1985 WJC where I saw him skate away and through the Russians with ease. And that shot off the wing. It's interesting in that I have the same vibes about Fantilli that I first had about Richer almost 40 years ago. I know many here want to give away the farm for Dubois. But if it was me, I would offer our two first draft choices in the upcoming draft (and more) to move up to be in a position to draft Fantilli. This kid has star written all over him.

As for Malakhov and Richer, its a real shame that both had to battle their personal devils: as it was battles that truly diminished what could have been great, if not, Hall of Fame careers. They both possessed the necessary transformational talent. A true shame.

There’s a reason early picks never get moved.

If the Habs had that 2nd pick overall, would you favor them trading it? I wouldn’t.

Mailloux wouldn't be enough.

If habs want to move up to 2nd overall I'm guessing it would take Montreal 1st + Florida 1st + Caufield/Guhle at a minimum, probably more.

It's just not worth it.
 
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