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A broken clock is right twice a day, but seriously he did pick up some gems including some kid named Caufield.
Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread
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BehindTheTimes
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All He did was acquire garbage. He left Hughes in a terrible position, whereas Bergevin actually came into a very favourable position himself. He had an emerging Norris trophy contender, the general, the best goalie in the league, one of the top LW’s in the game and perennial 30 goal scorer along with a strong supporting cast with Players like Eller, Pleks etc. The team went through a to. Of injuries prior to his hire and were nowhere as bad as they finished that year.
MB was the worst GM in the league for a stretch and imo the worst gm in Habs history. Houle wS better and was at least mandated to cut costs. MB had held onto 10m in capspsce 2 years in a row. The bun couldn’t figure out a to buy sone contracts to flip for draft capital with that 10m, yikes. The gm of the Habs had a surplus, haha, only this f***ing idiot would do that.
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Here is my continuing analysis - Playoff Edition - of Mailloux's play in Game 2 of London's first round series against the Owen Sound Attack;
Overall: Mailloux played a controlled, effective game against Owen Sound. He played in all high leverage situations and was mostly paired with the excellent Isaiah George on defence. It was hard to get an accurate read on Mailloux's comparative performance as the Attack is a very weak team with only Barlow, Sedley and Guindon as players who posed a real threat to the Knights. While there were no overt gaps in Mailloux's game, I still came away wanting to see more. I was hoping to see a higher degree of intensity in his play. Mailloux's inherent or native talent, superior skating ability and size advantage allows him to get away with, and succeed with, a less than a maximum effort against lesser opposition. However, that approach will not work against superior talent/opposition in the later rounds in the OHL playoffs or at the next level.
Offensively: Mailloux had seven shots on goal and had several scoring chances, including a break-a-way playing 4 on 4, where his shot just missed wide on the goalie's stick side. As I said before, this kid is built for 3 on 3 hockey and will give Montreal a real weapon in overtime when Mailloux ultimately joins the team. You can already see the rotation: the team will start off with Matheson and then follow up with Mailloux. It should be fun to watch. Mailloux was once again used as a decoy on London's power play as it has become apparent that all teams focus their penalty killing on taking away Mailloux's shot. It was also apparent that Hunter had placed a lasso on his defencemen until overtime as none of London's very talented mobile defencemen (Mailloux, George, Bonk and Dickinson) ventured deep into the offensive zone. They all played a very conservative game. Things changed in overtime when both George and Mailloux went on end -to-end dashes. Mailloux's rush was a thing of beauty to watch as he glided up the ice effortlessly, beat the opposing defenceman wide and, as he circled the net, passed the puck into the crease area to a teammate who almost scored. Mailloux again showed off his elite passing ability and made numerous tape-to-tape passes, from deep in the defensive zone to streaking teammates who easily gained access into the offensive zone. This kid has the best first pass of any defenceman that I watched this year in the OHL and will soon be demonstrating this excellent skill at the next level.
Defensively: As I noted above, Mailloux (and all the other London defencemen) were not really challenged by the Owen Sound forwards. Mailloux made all the correct reads and was never really in danger of being beaten off the rush or in 50-50 fights for the puck. Mailloux still needs to limit his reliance on the one-handed sweeps/swipes to dispossess opposing players of the puck. He has to make better use of his size advantage in neutralizing opposing players. Interestingly, Mailloux played a direct role in Owen Sound's scoring the two late goals that tied up the game at 4-4. The first goal, that made the score 4-3, came while Mailloux was serving a two minute penalty for hooking. It was a terrible call. The second goal (which made the score 4-4) was scored with the Owen Sound goalie pulled for a sixth skater and with Mailloux on the ice. It was a Hail Mary type of shot, that somehow made it through a crowd in front of the net and beat the London goalie.
Other Notes: I caught a bit of the Ottawa v. Oshawa game and was able to watch Vinzenz Rohrer play. All I can say is that Rohrer will be everything and more than what Jan Mysak was supposed to be.
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Bergevin had 2 compliance buyouts to help him...
Which he used to liquify the garbage…..and there was plenty of it
Bergevin had highs and lows. He had some good trades and a few good signings to go with some indefensible moves and possibly the worst offseason in habs history prior to getting fired. Drafting went the other way, from years of nothing to a very productive last few years.
Not sure about the Mailloux pick, I wanted Raty, but it could have been much worse. The skills and size are there but I don’t trust the brain, work ethic, and hockey sense. There were worse players to pick and I hope he exceeds my expectations.
See….when i see this, i know you just throwing shit at the wall
Price was in 2011-12…..
20th in GAA
21st in save percentage
20th in shutouts
Clearly the greatest goalie in the league
I’m not gonna get into the who was worst off, we can go back and forth and I don’t have the energy or time to break it all down.
Bergy made plenty of mistakes, so will
Hughes, it’s the nature of their positions.
What I like about Hughes is his background and who he surrounded himself with….the future is bright, it’s all I really care about now.
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You thought the future was bright then too. You waffle along never criticizing Hughes for the next 10 years just like you did Bergy. That’s your choice. Own it.
Lots of talk about Hutson but I think Mailloux has better potential in the NHL. Big, rightie, nasty, lot to like. He just need to learn how to play in his zone better.
Don't mind our local play by play guy. He's actually quite good. But I wanted to share this view highlighting the intelligence of Mailloux to intentionally aim wide for a bounce off the boards when he could have loaded up a cannon. Shows his vision quite well.
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Thanks for that share. I like Suzuki, Caufield and Dach, but nowhere near as much as I liked Markov and Subban during their prime.
Here's hoping Mailloux is able to play like that at the NHL level. The Habs won't be relevant until they have a D with over the board hockey vision. Edmonton is proof enough
I did…..we were finishing the season with 100+ points and did this on multiple occasions.
And you stated we had The best goalie and perennial 40 goal scorer, and emerging Norris trophy winner and the General…..i mean you just pumped the teams tires and now challenging me because I was optimistic about our chances???
I criticized Bergevin on multiple occasions, just not on a hourly bases like many did.
When the time arises, and it will, I will criticize Hughes, but so far, no need, it’s been good.
I own everything I say…..and ain't a chicken shit to go against the narrative on this board, I say what I want to say and honestly have no fear of hurting feelings.
Jaff I find you to be one of the more level headed posters on this board. Hooah
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There is no question as to the level of Mailloux's on ice vision. Nor as to his skills level. There are few OHL defencemen who can match Mailloux's combination of size, skating, shooting and passing. After watching him closely this past season I still have lingering concerns as to his stamina/conditioning and compete level. I have no doubt that his extended periods away from the game have adversely affected both of these two concerns. It will be interesting to see how he progresses over the coming season. If Mailloux can close the gap on that lost developmental time I also have little doubt that he will be a prime time player for Montreal or some other team if we are foolish enough to trade him.
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I'm really high on Mailloux aswell. Hutson have oustanding offensive potential, but Mailloux can be a two-way beast if he improve his defense. He can hit like Guhle aswell, he have all things to dominate at NHL level.
Hutson and Mailloux are the most promising D since Guhle. If all 3 reach their potential, Habs have a solid top 3 for many years to come. Don't forget about Harris (can be traded one day), Barron, Xhekaj and more.
Engstrom looks very very intriguing aswell!
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Hutson has accomplished things that haven’t been seen since HOFer Brian Leetch. Mailloux is being outproduced by players picked after him. There’s something special about one of them and it’s not Mailloux.
One is more projectable to the NHL, that's what I'm saying. Hutson has more upside for sure.
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Not until he learns defence. It’s nice to have a big shot, but there’s nothing else that he brings that is particularly special. Let’s hope they let him stay in the AHL for 1-2 years and not rush him.
Hutson needs to learn how to play D aswell and need to improve his skating. Nothing else he brings? He can be physical, which is something coach love at the NHL level. Both have things to be better at. We could really use a bomb from the point on the PP. When was the last time we had it, Marc-Andre Bergeron?
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We had Weber and it brought down the PP trying to force feed him constantly. It’s all about puck movement and being able to skate around the high defender to give yourself more lanes, like Fox and Makar (and Hutson) do. Teams are mostly going with one defender on PPs because of this. Mailloux is the type you put on PP2 so it actually has life. The strategy of a triggerman at the blueline is dead.
How I forgot Shea, my bad lol. We will see, both have things to learn before being a NHLer. I like Mailloux tools but for sure Hutson has higher upside. If both can make it and have an impact, would be awesome.
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It's dead until someone brings it back then it's new again. It's really about options and movement.
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Well, if he didn't get it, then Pierre McGuire might had become the guy since I remember reports saying he was close to getting the job. I think Pierre himself has mentioned that he got a long look.
I just remember thinking back then that the pool of candidates was pretty dry, even by Montreal standards who cut down a ton of options even before the search begins due to their special requirements.
I mean, even on the coaching side, it sounded like Marc Crawford was going to get the job if it wasn't for MT, and there was probably trepidation for that move too because I'm not even sure how good Crawford's French actually was, but he did coach in QC.
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I don't remember hearing brisebois' name, but that would have been a pretty big stretch for them to go that route. He was like three years removed from retiring as a player himself at the time. I wonder if he was 2nd on the list due to a lack of candidates or whether he was seriously considered over Bergevin at the time.
