Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[ReHabs]

Wonder, with more and more stuff like this, if some of the Bergevin disciples will admit they were wrong about his tenure.

Being a GM is more than 'winning trades' and Bergevin didn't understand that.

He didn’t even win his trades. Trades are a tool to improve the roster — after every famous winning trade the Habs got worse results and performances.

I wonder what he lied about.

If we had good media in Montreal they would do a thorough autopsy of the past regime. But we don’t have such luck — so we might never know.

 

[HuGo boss]

I wonder what he lied about.

He said he was going to do a good job

 

[Habs Halifax]

When is the NHL going to release information that he is permitted to play NHL? Hope they don't wait till Aug or Sept?

 

[WeThreeKings]

I wonder what he lied about.

His entire plan.. he was going to build through the draft, he was going to commit to development, and he just didn't do any of that.

 

[McGuires Corndog]

His entire plan.. he was going to build through the draft, he was going to commit to development, and he just didn't do any of that.

Did you see the size of the man’s arms and chest though?

 

[eklund the clown]

Did you see the size of the man’s arms and chest though?

Yep blown up on steroids.As fake as the man himself

 

[HuGort]

Not the same role at all. I don t think it makes sense to bring Mailloux in the NHL, his main strength is the offense, Xhekaj is a more complete player to be fair. I would have Mailloux earn his minutes in the AHL before he steps in with the big club. Defense will be young already : Guhle Harris Barron Matheson Savard, hoping Edmunson gets traded, you need a few vets around those guys.
In the AHL he should very quickly be among the top offensive Dmen and develop there.

Could play Mailloux overager like Xhekaj? Let him dominate at that level.

 

[DAChampion]

Could play Mailloux overager like Xhekaj? Let him dominate at that level.

Mailloux has already dominated the OHL.

 

[26Mats]

Could play Mailloux overager like Xhekaj? Let him dominate at that level.

Mailloux has already dominated the OHL.

It's AHL or NHL next year for Mailloux.

I'm looking forward to watching him in either one.

 

[Theodore450]

He didn’t even win his trades. Trades are a tool to improve the roster — after every famous winning trade the Habs got worse results and performances.


If we had good media in Montreal they would do a thorough autopsy of the past regime. But we don’t have such luck — so we might never know.

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

 

[Wats]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

Bergevin's success came on riding Gainey/Gauthier's assets. The moment Bergevin started moving them/changing the roster was the moment the team became bi-perennial bottom feeders. The hilarity is this liquidated roster is doing better than what Begevin left more than haflway into last season.

 

[Scriptor]

Serge Savard helped Molson find a GM and recommended Bergevin. I have lifelong respect for Serge but this recommendation really screwed the franchise.

Serge Savard, IMO, thought he was helping to get an inexperienced puppet into the job that would rely heavily on hm for advice.

That didn't happen and Savard later turned on Bergevin pretty bad to save face.

Some people interview well.

Doesn't mean they're right for the job.

This is true - I've seen it a few times.

However, I'm not too convinced by Savard, because I think he saw a bigger role for himself in suggesting Bergevin and that he soured when that didn't materialize and public opinion was ripe to look better by turning on Bergevin.

Is the the Mailloux thread, still?

 

[ReHabs]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

Zero Stanley Cup Runs.

One Stanley Cup Finals Run where we got demolished in just FIVE games and openly laughed at by the opposing team.

One Eastern Conference Run where we couldn't score goals and fell apart when Carey Price went down. This team was largely inherited by Bergevin, in any case. He was too incompetent to add talent to the roster.

Over ten years and with no budget issues and the bounty of talent he inherited that's not a very good record imo. I have high expectations though. I haven't praised or given much credit to the new management either, you must have the wrong guy.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

Assets lmao, boat anchors, you mean? Hughes is completely handcuffed because the previous idiot left him in a complete mess with garbage contract after garbage contract that we can’t give away.

 

[DAChampion]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

Bergevin wasn't all bad it's true. I'd give him a C+.

 

[BLONG7]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

This is bad man............really really bad.
It's almost the Masters, we can give you a mulligan...

 

[RandR]

Bergevin wasn't all bad it's true. I'd give him a C+.

It's also highly ironic that the maligning of Bergevin in these last couple of pages takes place in a thread that would not even be on the Habs board if Bergevin didn't have the guts to take a public hit for drafting Mailloux in the first round. (And he did that at #31 overall due to a run to the finals that Habs fans were able to enjoy partly because you-know-who acquired in the previous off-season so many players with Stanley Cup rings.)

I do agree though that we can be far more optimistic with the current regime in developing this prospect. Player development was indeed one of Bergevin's biggest weaknesses as GM.

 

[DAChampion]

It's also highly ironic that the maligning of Bergevin in these last couple of pages takes place in a thread that would not even be on the Habs board if Bergevin didn't have the guts to take a public hit for drafting Mailloux in the first round. (And he did that at #31 overall due to a run to the finals that Habs fans were able to enjoy partly because you-know-who acquired in the previous off-season so many players with Stanley Cup rings.)

I do agree though that we can be far more optimistic with the current regime in developing this prospect. Player development was indeed one of Bergevin's biggest weaknesses as GM.

Yes we can give Bergevin credit for drafting Mailloux, acquiring Anderson and Toffoli, and acquiring Chiarot and Edmundson. Those were good moves.

Hughes? He doesn't even get a C+, he's more of a promising student who aced the first quiz. Certainly better than failing the first quiz as Bergevin did, but either way, it's early.

 

[jrom]

Yes we can give Bergevin credit for drafting Mailloux, acquiring Anderson and Toffoli, and acquiring Chiarot and Edmundson. Those were good moves.

Hughes? He doesn't even get a C+, he's more of a promising student who aced the first quiz. Certainly better than failing the first quiz as Bergevin did, but either way, it's early.

I would have like to see Bergevin’s moves to make his cap salary management work this season, with both Weber & Price LTIR. For balancing the cap, the 2022 TDL moves, the Dach trade and MSL hire, not losing Harris/Struble rights yeah Hugues gets at least a C+.

For the draft & development of players it’s too soon to tell. Not sure what any person could / should have done to “earn” an A rating (?)

 

[RandR]

Yes we can give Bergevin credit for drafting Mailloux, acquiring Anderson and Toffoli, and acquiring Chiarot and Edmundson. Those were good moves.

Hughes? He doesn't even get a C+, he's more of a promising student who aced the first quiz. Certainly better than failing the first quiz as Bergevin did, but either way, it's early.

Yes, it is definitely early to make any definitive judgements. If I remember correctly, in the first few years under Bergevin the Habs won multiple divisional titles after being 3rd worst overall in the previous year. Regarding Hughes, I think Gorton (with Molson’s blessing) picked Hughes partly as a reaction to what I believe were Bergevin’s 2 biggest faults as GM… contract negotiations and player development (specifically regarding the 2 top-3 picks). Hughes obviously brought a ton of experience with contracts, and his picking St Louis as coach is one of a bunch of moves Gorton and him made to give a better chance to young players (many of whom were drafted under Bergevin) such as Caufield, Guhle and Mailloux to reach their potential.

In any case, I came to this thread to see how Mailloux is doing lately, and it certainly sounds promising for the Habs. The Habs really look as if they could be stacked with a surplus of NHL-calibre blue liners in a year or two, and like Nashville a few years ago, that will give Hughes the luxury of having assets to be traded for where they are weaker without simply shifting one hole for another or giving away high draft picks. Bergevin never had such a luxury, which of course at some point in time was largely his own fault.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Yes, it is definitely early to make any definitive judgements. If I remember correctly, in the first few years under Bergevin the Habs won multiple divisional titles after being 3rd worst overall in the previous year. Regarding Hughes, I think Gorton (with Molson’s blessing) picked Hughes partly as a reaction to what I believe were Bergevin’s 2 biggest faults as GM… contract negotiations and player development (specifically regarding the 2 top-3 picks). Hughes obviously brought a ton of experience with contracts, and his picking St Louis as coach is one of a bunch of moves Gorton and him made to give a better chance to young players (many of whom were drafted under Bergevin) such as Caufield, Guhle and Mailloux to reach their potential.

In any case, I came to this thread to see how Mailloux is doing lately, and it certainly sounds promising for the Habs. The Habs really look as if they could be stacked with a surplus of NHL-calibre blue liners in a year or two, and like Nashville a few years ago, that will give Hughes the luxury of having assets to be traded for where they are weaker without simply shifting one hole for another or giving away high draft picks. Bergevin never had such a luxury, which of course at some point in time was largely his own fault.

Bergevin brought in the worst dman in the league in Douglas Murray and a guy who couldn’t play at all in George Parros, signed Daniel Briere while he had one foot in the grave, but before that he hired Michel Therrien as coach. Imagine hiring an on air personality who publicly bashed your star dman. Then bridging the star dman and forcing him into arbitration the following season and being on the hook for 9m per year all because his foxhole buddy thought Subban had to be a better person. The warning signs were there from the beginning with MB, in fact, he was terrible from the beginning.

 

[MasterD]

Bergevin brought in the worst dman in the league in Douglas Murray and a guy who couldn’t play at all in George Parros, signed Daniel Briere while he had one foot in the grave, but before that he hired Michel Therrien as coach. Imagine hiring an on air personality who publicly bashed your star dman. Then bridging the star dman and forcing him into arbitration the following season and being on the hook for 9m per year all because his foxhole buddy thought Subban had to be a better person. The warning signs were there from the beginning with MB, in fact, he was terrible from the beginning.

Trades are hard, this isn't PlayStation, get yourself a dog, if I could tell you everything you'd understand... Man this guy was all about excuses.

And being teary eyed when he signed Gallagher, good God

 

[Kudo Shinichi]

 

[LV426]

Trades are hard, this isn't PlayStation, get yourself a dog, if I could tell you everything you'd understand... Man this guy was all about excuses.

And being teary eyed when he signed Gallagher, good God

Yeah, I would be crying too if I gave him that contract.

 

[jaffy27]

Maybe you should judge him by results ? 2 Stanley cup runs is more than most teams. It’s easier to tank than to create a competent and competing roster. Praising new management for liquidating all of Bergevins assets (which most shat on) to suck then critiquing the prior regime is absolutely hilarious.

Thing is, Bergevin liquidated the previous regimes garbage also, and when Hughes one day gets fired, they will have to liquidate his garbage……i sense a pattern here

I f***in laugh whenever posters bring up garbage players he acquired….newsflash….EVERY GM ACQUIRES GARBAGE!!!!!!

Like let it go already

Bergevin drafted shit players but Mailloux isn’t one of them, if anything, 98% of the posters here went nuclear on Bergy….FFWD a few years and it was a brilliant move…like drafting Romanov.