Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[HuGort]

Yes. As I have previously opined, if Dickinson was draft eligible this year, he would be the first defenceman drafted.


Mailloux is a much better skater than Burns.

Dickinson be good pick for us next year. If we don't contend. Or we acquire multi picks to trade up.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Dickinson be good pick for us next year. If we don't contend. Or we acquire multi picks to trade up.

Yes. But even the lamest of general managers will have recognized Dickinson’s potential by then. Dickinson should go top 3.

 

[Bacchus1]

Lets put the stats down cause some probably don't know.

Mailloux (OHL):
* 60 pts with 27 goals in 72 games (games played affected by Covid)
* 51 pts with 24 goals in 56 games (age 19 season)

Brook (OHL):
* 157 pts with 31 goals over 204 games (some games lost due to injury)
* 75 pts with 16 goals in 59 games (age 19 season)

Context:
* Mailloux shot and goal scoring power is better. Not like Brooks shot sucked, Mailloux's shot is just that much better.
* Both players had good skating and size
* Brook put up more points in his age 19 season but who played on the better team or more competitive league?
* Brook was good enough to play with team Canada WJC and was alright.
* Mailloux would of likely made team Canada WJC but his past mistake kept him off their radar.

I do have higher hopes with Mailloux but I also thought Brook would be a top 4D or fringe type. With Mailloux, his offensive tools are top notch but he needs to learn a lot in D zone. When he turns pro, time space and more physical players that also skate well changes things a lot.

What is the probability that either of Mailloux or Hutson are top pairing in the NHL when they reach their prime? Of course there is a chance but I think some are more humble with projecting them vs others.

Logan Mailloux is 10 th in the league for scoring as a defenceman, having played 11 games less than the #1 guy.

With 75 points, like Brook had, he would be first in the league this year. I am wondering how Brook stacked up against othe D in the OHL at 19. Wsd he first in the league?

I was also expecting Brook to progress more and dominate the AHL, but he was often injured which seemed to hamper his progression and possibly had a detrimental impact on his abilities as a player.

 

[HuGort]

Yes. But even the lamest of general managers will have recognized Dickinson’s potential by then. Dickinson should go top 3.

Defensemen go that high big gamble for me

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Defensemen go that high big gamble for me

Dickinson is a level of defenceman that I would take a gamble on. At only 16 he reminds me of Sergechev in his draft year. This kid is going to go very high.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Logan Mailloux is 10 th in the league for scoring as a defenceman, having played 11 games less than the #1 guy.

With 75 points, like Brook had, he would be first in the league this year. I am wondering how Brook stacked up against othe D in the OHL at 19. Wsd he first in the league?

I was also expecting Brook to progress more and dominate the AHL, but he was often injured which seemed to hamper his progression and possibly had a detrimental impact on his abilities as a player.

We are going to know a hell of more information with several of our guys when the turn pro. Do they shine right away or take a few years.

 

[HuGort]

Dickinson is a level of defenceman that I would take a gamble on. At only 16 he reminds me of Sergechev in his draft year. This kid is going to go very high.

Top 3 high for Sergechev type. Usual it's a Hedman, Nemec or Makar type. Most defensemen come later in draft. Fox, Karlsson, McAvoy, Josi types.

The '24 draft looks like year of the defensemen. Just in OHL, Dickinson, Mews, Parekh all look good. All right shot also. Habs should be able to get one.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Top 3 high for Sergechev type. Usual it's a Hedman, Nemec or Makar type. Most defensemen come later in draft. Fox, Karlsson, McAvoy, Josi types.

The '24 draft looks like year of the defensemen. Just in OHL, Dickinson, Mews, Parekh all look good. All right shot also. Habs should be able to get one.

Its a question of predictive progression. Dickinson at 16 is already a superior prospect to the 'older' Sergechev. You don't draft players because of what they are today, but what they can be in the future. I have had the opportunity to watch Dickinson multiple times this year (while I was assessing Mailloux) and if he enjoys any progression over the next year, he will go in the top 3. In this writer's opinion, Dickinson's upside is the equivalent of Mailloux's, but his floor is much, much higher.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Who do you think had a better Defensive game in the CHL in their age 19 season (Sergachev or Mailloux)? I know all about Mailloux's offensive potential and I do drool over guys that can put the puck in the net because they have good shots.

Personally, I think he follows the Barron path and I hope he has a steeper learning curve. Not like I don't like Barron's development path but that is more of a season/season of modest gains.

I'd be shocked if Mailloux is rushed into the NHL after they asked Barron to start in the AHL this year to work on his defensive game. Mailloux is not built from the back end out like Guhle or Romanov and neither was Barron. I know Barron's track very well from his Mooseheads days.

Ability to learn how to play D effectively has a lot to do with hockey IQ IMO.

Sergachev, and its not close. Sergachev is and will always be a more rounded defenceman than Mailloux. But you're not drafting Mailloux for his all-roundness. He will be a high scoring offensive threat in the NHL. But you will have to endure his defensive lapses. Once he fills out, is used properly, and teamed with the right defensive partner, Mailloux will become a core offensive player for this team by the middle or the latter part of this decade.

 

[montreal]

Who do you think had a better Defensive game in the CHL in their age 19 season (Sergachev or Mailloux)?

Sergachev was in the NHL at 19, over his age 17 and 18 seasons he played 129 games in the OHL, during Mailloux's age 17 and 18 seasons he played 12 games in the OHL. It's not fair at all to try to compare since Mailloux all but missed 2 years of key development time.

 

[JianYang]

What I'm getting out of this thread regarding Mailloux is that he's relatively big, he's got a booming shot, but also is a threat on the rush. He scores alot. He's not good defensively, has a mean streak, and he likes to drop the gloves

That pretty much sounds like Sheldon Souray. Yes, please.

 

[montreal]

What I'm getting out of this thread regarding Mailloux is that he's relatively big, he's got a booming shot, but also is a threat on the rush. He scores alot. He's not good defensively, has a mean streak, and he likes to drop the gloves

That pretty much sounds like Sheldon Souray. Yes, please.

Not in the Souray mold, more Brent Burns, as I don't think he has that much of a mean streak at all and isn't going to be dropping the gloves much I would guess as that's not a big part of his game. He's an offensive D with elite size/mobility/skating and has the big shot. There's a lot to like and some real holes that need slow development time I would think.

 

[Scriptor]

From reading Chester's reports, Mailloux seems ti have been improving the weaker areas of his game ans I expect him to keep doing so...

 

[montreal]

From reading Chester's reports, Mailloux seems ti have been improving the weaker areas of his game

he very clearly has.

 

[HuGort]

Its a question of predictive progression. Dickinson at 16 is already a superior prospect to the 'older' Sergechev. You don't draft players because of what they are today, but what they can be in the future. I have had the opportunity to watch Dickinson multiple times this year (while I was assessing Mailloux) and if he enjoys any progression over the next year, he will go in the top 3. In this writer's opinion, Dickinson's upside is the equivalent of Mailloux's, but his floor is much, much higher.

Dickinson, Mailloux, Barron will make a great right side for many years. Habs likely be lottery team so we have chance at him. Hughes likely acquire an extra first or two for '24 draft. We could trade up if need be.

 

[Treb]

Yes, he was a quality prospect. I think most realistic fans would agree with what you said. Maybe you're overlooking the point here though... not all prospects turn into who we think they will. Injuries slowed him down but other players did have injuries and overcame the development challenge at a later date.

Brook is 23 today and has 6 pts in 13 AHL games. Is he injured again? Maybe it's very possible that he never could gain traction due to multiple injuries. I guess it's clear he is injury prone. Without the injuries, I do wonder if things would have been different.

As far as Mailloux... I know all about his offensive tools and potential but I'm going to stay humble. I expect him to be on the Barron path when he turns pro and it's very possible he stands out more earlier due to the talent that will be injected in Laval.

Brook was pathing pretty well in 2020-2021 before the injuries. He was never the same after.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sergachev was in the NHL at 19, over his age 17 and 18 seasons he played 129 games in the OHL, during Mailloux's age 17 and 18 seasons he played 12 games in the OHL. It's not fair at all to try to compare since Mailloux all but missed 2 years of key development time.

What's fair or not don't apply. It's a simple question... Who was more trusted in their own end at age 19 in the CHL. You're answer is Sergachev due to more games played.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Yes. But even the lamest of general managers will have recognized Dickinson’s potential by then. Dickinson should go top 3.

Yes. Sadly a lot of the real incompetents are gone (Benning, Fletcher) and Poile (forwards)

 

[montreal]

What's fair or not don't apply. It's a simple question... Who was more trusted in their own end at age 19 in the CHL. You're answer is Sergachev due to more games played.

well seeing how only one of them was in the CHL at 19, I'd say it's a poor question.

 

[FerrisRox]

What's fair or not don't apply. It's a simple question... Who was more trusted in their own end at age 19 in the CHL. You're answer is Sergachev due to more games played.

It's not a simple question at all, because you are asking to compare the performance of two players in the CHL when the were 19 but one of the players didn't play in the CHL at that age.

It's not a simple question, it's an impossible one.

Who do you think was a better NHL goaltender, Ken Dryden, or Vladislav Tretiak?

 

[1909]

Dickinson, Mailloux, Barron will make a great right side for many years. Habs likely be lottery team so we have chance at him. Hughes likely acquire an extra first or two for '24 draft. We could trade up if need be.

You are projecting way too far ahead.

Guhle could be asked to plat right side when Savard is gone.
Barron could have to be put in a package to acquire Dubois.

 

[salbutera]

 

[themilosh]

Wow.. havent really been following closely.. but 25 goals is sweet for a D

 

[Koivu11]

What a shot.

 

[Habs Halifax]

well seeing how only one of them was in the CHL at 19, I'd say it's a poor question.

Well, that's my bad and why didn't you point this out earlier?

I overlooked that Sergachev played NHL at age 19. I thought his last CHL season was age 19.

What a shot.

A boy in a mans body. Sky is the limit for him if he is obsessive at improving. You don't find size/skating/shot power like that very often.