Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[BJCOLLINS]

I remember being a little “high“ on Brook but man, I was “stoned” on Cale Fluery.
Seattle really “harshed” my buzz on Cale….it’s all good now cuz I’m tripping on Jackeye & Guhle.

 

[Habs Halifax]

That's fine, but I disagree. Brook never got a chance to adapt to the pro game as injuries multiplied. He had insane bad luck. He was not a blue chip prospect, but there is no reason to believe he could not have slowly learned the pro game and become an NHL player.

Now, some on this board were calling him a blue chipper and that was a mistake, but he was still a quality prospect.

Yes, he was a quality prospect. I think most realistic fans would agree with what you said. Maybe you're overlooking the point here though... not all prospects turn into who we think they will. Injuries slowed him down but other players did have injuries and overcame the development challenge at a later date.

Brook is 23 today and has 6 pts in 13 AHL games. Is he injured again? Maybe it's very possible that he never could gain traction due to multiple injuries. I guess it's clear he is injury prone. Without the injuries, I do wonder if things would have been different.

As far as Mailloux... I know all about his offensive tools and potential but I'm going to stay humble. I expect him to be on the Barron path when he turns pro and it's very possible he stands out more earlier due to the talent that will be injected in Laval.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Sergachev played a much ‘heavier’ game than Mailloux does at the same age. We haven’t seen the best of Mailloux yet, not by a long shot. Once Mailloux fills out, the level of his play will rise significantly. Hence, the reason he should play next season in Laval. He also needs time to bridge the development gap he experienced as a consequence of his long periods of inactivity over the past two and half years. In Mailloux’s case, patience will truly be a virtue for him, the team and its long suffering fans.

Who do you think had a better Defensive game in the CHL in their age 19 season (Sergachev or Mailloux)? I know all about Mailloux's offensive potential and I do drool over guys that can put the puck in the net because they have good shots.

Personally, I think he follows the Barron path and I hope he has a steeper learning curve. Not like I don't like Barron's development path but that is more of a season/season of modest gains.

I'd be shocked if Mailloux is rushed into the NHL after they asked Barron to start in the AHL this year to work on his defensive game. Mailloux is not built from the back end out like Guhle or Romanov and neither was Barron. I know Barron's track very well from his Mooseheads days.

Ability to learn how to play D effectively has a lot to do with hockey IQ IMO.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

Lets put the stats down cause some probably don't know.

Mailloux (OHL):
* 60 pts with 27 goals in 72 games (games played affected by Covid)
* 51 pts with 24 goals in 56 games (age 19 season)

Brook (OHL):
* 157 pts with 31 goals over 204 games (some games lost due to injury)
* 75 pts with 16 goals in 59 games (age 19 season)

Context:
* Mailloux shot and goal scoring power is better. Not like Brooks shot sucked, Mailloux's shot is just that much better.
* Both players had good skating and size
* Brook put up more points in his age 19 season but who played on the better team or more competitive league?
* Brook was good enough to play with team Canada WJC and was alright.
* Mailloux would of likely made team Canada WJC but his past mistake kept him off their radar.

I do have higher hopes with Mailloux but I also thought Brook would be a top 4D or fringe type. With Mailloux, his offensive tools are top notch but he needs to learn a lot in D zone. When he turns pro, time space and more physical players that also skate well changes things a lot.

What is the probability that either of Mailloux or Hutson are top pairing in the NHL when they reach their prime? Of course there is a chance but I think some are more humble with projecting them vs others.

Are was responding to the Sergachev comparison.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

It's not a player comparison. It's a question on trusting CHL production and who had the more impressive season at age 19.

ah gotcha. but even then you can't separate the production from the two players themselves. Different contexts. I think Brook missed a decent amount of time but not as much as Mailloux. Mailloux missed a very significant amount of time. Hadn't he missed that much his production could be much higher.

Stats are a great gage but they're obviously not fool proof. I don't know if Mailloux's skills translate but he's still plenty more skilled than Brook was. Pretty easy to see that. I don't know how you can do your second sentence without comparing the two players anyway to be honest.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

You watch Sam Dickinson much?

Yes. As I have previously opined, if Dickinson was draft eligible this year, he would be the first defenceman drafted.

Mailloux has all the tools. He's like a Brent Burns. (forward playing defenseman)

We can agree on that but it's the IQ that may hold him back.

Mailloux is a much better skater than Burns.

 

[GTA]

Yes. As I have previously opined, if Dickinson was draft eligible this year, he would be the first defenceman drafted.


Mailloux is a much better skater than Burns.

That plus the slap shot is all he’s got on Burns though. Burns is bigger and light years better IQ.

 

[danyhabsfan]

That plus the slap shot is all he’s got on Burns though. Burns is bigger and light years better IQ.

You think Mailloux has a better slap shot than Burns?

Burns has a rocket. He hit 100 mph +.

 

[Belial]

You think Mailloux has a better slap shot than Burns?

Burns has a rocket. He hit 100 mph +.

Logan also hit 100+ just a couple of days ago... Kid is 19 years old though... I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Logan will end up with the better slapshot.

 

[Twisted Sinister]

Logan also hit 100+ just a couple of days ago... Kid is 19 years old though... I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that Logan will end up with the better slapshot.

Bold prediction:

Mailloux will easily win hardest shot at the All-Star game if he ever ends up there.

 

[Belial]

Bold prediction:

Mailloux will easily win hardest shot at the All-Star game if he ever ends up there.

I mean, easy shit! Weber and Chara are out of the league.

Fracking bean poll Pettersson won it this year What a disgrace!

 

[Expos94]

Yes, he was a quality prospect. I think most realistic fans would agree with what you said. Maybe you're overlooking the point here though... not all prospects turn into who we think they will. Injuries slowed him down but other players did have injuries and overcame the development challenge at a later date.

Brook is 23 today and has 6 pts in 13 AHL games. Is he injured again? Maybe it's very possible that he never could gain traction due to multiple injuries. I guess it's clear he is injury prone. Without the injuries, I do wonder if things would have been different.

As far as Mailloux... I know all about his offensive tools and potential but I'm going to stay humble. I expect him to be on the Barron path when he turns pro and it's very possible he stands out more earlier due to the talent that will be injected in Laval.

Barron is a good comparison, except mailloux is a little bigger, a little more aggressive and a tad better goal scorer

 

[Twisted Sinister]

I mean, easy shit! Weber and Chara are out of the league.

Fracking bean poll Pettersson won it this year What a disgrace!

Hahaha, good point.

When I say win, though, i mean Obliterate the competition in a Chara-esque way.

 

[Belial]

Hahaha, good point.

When I say win, though, mean Obliterate the competition in a Chara-esque way.

Well, give him some time! He's coming!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Barron is a good comparison, except mailloux is a little bigger, a little more aggressive and a tad better goal scorer

Yeah, I do have higher hopes with Mailloux and his shot is better. Both have good size and maybe Mailloux is a bit more gritty. The area I'm wondering about is how Mailloux matures on D cause that's the part of his game that will be really tested when he turns pro. So it might be a process like Barron. An AHL season or two.

 

[Wateredgarden]

If we had Xhekaj, Ghule, Barron and Harris and no one else in the pipeline I'd still have hopes for this dcore to become a Stanley cup competing one. But to know we have Mailloux, Engstrom and Naruto coming up is pretty insane. And also you Beaudin, Struble and Trudeau who have a legit shot at the NHL.

 

[waitin425]

Yeah, I do have higher hopes with Mailloux and his shot is better. Both have good size and maybe Mailloux is a bit more gritty. The area I'm wondering about is how Mailloux matures on D cause that's the part of his game that will be really tested when he turns pro. So it might be a process like Barron. An AHL season or two.

I have seen a lot of Mailloux this year. He is ironing out the defensive warts in his game. I hope he follows the Barron path to the NHL. He should spend the entire season next year in Laval. The following year, start in Laval and be a player called up for injuries. Maybe get 20ish games. 2025/26 should be his first full NHL season. He will quickly establish himself as a top 4 D after that.

 

[Rapala]

I have seen a lot of Mailloux this year. He is ironing out the defensive warts in his game. I hope he follows the Barron path to the NHL. He should spend the entire season next year in Laval. The following year, start in Laval and be a player called up for injuries. Maybe get 20ish games. 2025/26 should be his first full NHL season. He will quickly establish himself as a top 4 D after that.

One thing I hope and pray for is that we have the depth and ability in Laval to allow us to use our players in their projected roles. So Mailloux in your scenario needs to gain that top 4 level as early as possible in laval.

 

[waitin425]

One thing I hope and pray for is that we gain the depth and ability in Laval to allow us to use our players in their projected roles. So Mailloux in your scenario needs to gain that top 4 level as early as possible in laval.

I think he will. His offensive ability is tantalizing. With a better defensive partner in Laval it will allow him to press more. Looking forward to his progression.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I have seen a lot of Mailloux this year. He is ironing out the defensive warts in his game. I hope he follows the Barron path to the NHL. He should spend the entire season next year in Laval. The following year, start in Laval and be a player called up for injuries. Maybe get 20ish games. 2025/26 should be his first full NHL season. He will quickly establish himself as a top 4 D after that.

He may be taking gains at becoming more better in D coverage but that is CHL/OHL standards, we have to consider. Dealing with 16-19 year olds and some 20 year olds is not the same as the NHL/AHL quality of men. When he turns pro, there will be more of a process to happen in that area. He's not build from the back end out like Guhle or Romanov. He's build from the front end in.

Not like he will never learn how to be a stud on D. However, many of his type in the past never figured it out or took years. I think that will come down to his hockey IQ as he faces different development challenges after turning pro. It's usually a huge jump for many prospects. If he shines right away, that's a great indication he can be a top pairing quality. If he struggles, that's usually an indication he might be top 4D potential.

With Guhle and Caufield, you see them shine early after turning pro. These are not typical situations

 

[Habs Halifax]

If we had Xhekaj, Ghule, Barron and Harris and no one else in the pipeline I'd still have hopes for this dcore to become a Stanley cup competing one. But to know we have Mailloux, Engstrom and Naruto coming up is pretty insane. And also you Beaudin, Struble and Trudeau who have a legit shot at the NHL.

What I like seeing from most of our fan herd on HF boards these days, is we are more humble with expectations. Many of us want to add that star on D and it's valid. However, what we have and what is coming is very solid and they stand to improve. Some will disappoint no doubt but not all of them will.

I said this back in 2017 or 2018 when I seen signs of our draft power increasing. Probability will work in our favor due to quantity we have in our pipeline. Draft power is how you build properly. It's not complicated, the more darts you have the better chance you have at hitting. When I did some research, the trend I noticed with good drafting teams (for the most part) is they had high draft power. High draft power is just not top 10 picks. Having lots of 2nd-4th+ rounders is also key. Not easy to hit in those ranges but I do think we have hit on several prospects.

 

[Matthew McConaughay]

If we had Xhekaj, Ghule, Barron and Harris and no one else in the pipeline I'd still have hopes for this dcore to become a Stanley cup competing one. But to know we have Mailloux, Engstrom and Naruto coming up is pretty insane. And also you Beaudin, Struble and Trudeau who have a legit shot at the NHL.

Forgot the most important one, Hutson.

 

[Rapala]

If we had Xhekaj, Ghule, Barron and Harris and no one else in the pipeline I'd still have hopes for this dcore to become a Stanley cup competing one. But to know we have Mailloux, Engstrom and Naruto coming up is pretty insane. And also you Beaudin, Struble and Trudeau who have a legit shot at the NHL.

Depth is primordial but you constantly have to be refreshing it so your assets can be moved and don't die on the vine. Fortunately we now have a management group who understand the concept of team building and how to go about it.

 

[Kojo]

Forgot the most important one, Hutson.

He said Naruto referring to Hutson I think, because of the way he skates.

 

[Wateredgarden]

Forgot the most important one, Hutson.

Naruto.