Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[WeThreeKings]

Hope you are right but until the league gives the ok anything can happen. When the Bruins signed Mitchell Miller, Bettman commented on Mailloux saying he would have to get approved even if he has a contract as there remains a ban in place. I think the league will let him play due to the stuff you mentioned but they could potentially argue what he did goes against the league morality etc codes and because of that he cannot play.

He'll have to be cleared for the AHL first but once he's cleared by the AHL, it won't be much more difficult to be approved by the NHL.

I'm sure it will be fine.

 

[Redux91]

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Get Lane some Kleenex please

And yet, Lane is still the better player lmao
Weird eh

But I'm also rooting for Logan bigtime for sure

I hope I never see that! lol.

Uhh why lol, Burns is/was great

 

[rik schau]

And yet, Lane is still the better player lmao
Weird eh

But I'm also rooting for Logan bigtime for sure


Uhh why lol, Burns is/was great

Literally speaking. lol

 

[Captain97]

Hope you are right but until the league gives the ok anything can happen. When the Bruins signed Mitchell Miller, Bettman commented on Mailloux saying he would have to get approved even if he has a contract as there remains a ban in place. I think the league will let him play due to the stuff you mentioned but they could potentially argue what he did goes against the league morality etc codes and because of that he cannot play.

Yeah but what Miller and Mailloux did was very different. Gary Bettman is the God of the NHL. The PA would lose their minds if Bettman declares himself God of who can play in a way that they deem unreasonable/Mailloux's agent deems unreasonable.

 

[Scriptor]

Yes but those are late 1sts and a B+ prospect type return (will also have to take on a contract like Horvat trade). They won't get both a late 1st and Grade A prospect at the 2024 deadline. Horvat trade is the best they can get.

If the Habs offer the Panthers pick as the prime piece on draft day (pick in the 12-18 range), what other team can trump this? Jets waiting it out with a distraction all season is not something I see them doing. They will value that Panthers pick offer if we offer it on draft day. Jets could make a play on another center and use the allocated cap space they had for Dubois. These are things they look at this summer and no way they will delay it IMO. Imagine being a playoff team again next year and are forced to either let Dubois walk or trade him as a pending UFA? I doubt this is in their play book bud. Circumstance and context are very important.

If Dubois keeps pushing his way to UFA, his value is limited and so are the Jets leverage.

Have to agree that MON can likely give the best offer for Dubois in the offseason, especially if Dubois is willing to do a sign and trade deal with The Habs?

Offseason is the perfect opportunity for Jets to see if they can get an actual C replacement for Dubois as a 2nd line C.

Habs trading Dvorak as a 3rd line C only provides more strength up the middle for the Jets and, perhaps, adding Anderson will only strengthen their playoff bid next season, eliminating the need for the 1st round pick.

To WIN from MON:

Dvorak + Anderson + Harris

To MON from WIN:

Dubois

The FLA 1st round pick could be a likelier flip as part of a package to SJ for Timo Meier.

Again, WIN wants to win now and SJ wants to rebuild.

The trade for Horvat gave a sense of what to might cost for Meier.

A draft pick in the 12-15 range from FLA would be a strong asset in terms of 1st round picks and MON could protect that pick as NJ did in the tree with VAN for Horvat.

Better still, MON could gamble that FLA will finish higher than 12th and leave that pick unprotected for bigger value.

Combined with that pick, MON would also need to send prospects to SJ.

Personally, I would give them a choice of one from Farrell, Roy and Mesar and a choice from one of Struble, Trudeau and Engstrom.

If it boiled down to this to seal the deal, I'd also add COL's 2nd round pick in 2024 that we got for Lehkonen.

The costliest pieces for MON are, IMO, obviously, the first round pick from FLA and one of Farrell, Roy or Mesar.

I think it is more than a fair deal for Meier and, with Dubois as an added acquisition, Montreal can pay the price and still grow in the process.

IMO, Farrell, Roy or Mesar will never represent what Meier currently proves to be and what Meier can be for the next 8 years in Montreal.

Caufield - Suzuki - Meier
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Dach
Farrell/Heineman - Beck - Heineman/Roy/Mesar
RHP - Evans - Armia/Gallagher
Gallagher, Armia

OR

Slafkovsky - Dubois - Meier
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell/Heineman - Beck - Heineman/Roy/Mesar
RHP - Evans - Armia/Gallagher
Gallagher, Armia

Would be the possible forward lineups for the Habs in the medium term. and this does not even take into account the identity of MON's own selection at the 2023 draft.

I think a Habs future forward lineup in this vein would be extremely hard to face by any team and options for specialty teams would abound.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Hope you are right but until the league gives the ok anything can happen. When the Bruins signed Mitchell Miller, Bettman commented on Mailloux saying he would have to get approved even if he has a contract as there remains a ban in place. I think the league will let him play due to the stuff you mentioned but they could potentially argue what he did goes against the league morality etc codes and because of that he cannot play.

That is theoretically true but that would be some Draconian nonsense begging for a lawsuit.

Bettman is a tone deaf ****stick who had no business throwing a good kid who made a common mistake (albeit an extremely disrespectful one) among teenage boys with a predatory, sociopathic monster who has yet to even attempt to make amends with his victim.

There is zero chance that they ban Logan imo but I wouldn't be surprised if they try and virtue signal with some silly requirement from him.

 

[Pickles]

That is theoretically true but that would be some Draconian nonsense begging for a lawsuit.

Bettman is a tone deaf ****stick who had no business throwing a good kid who made a common mistake (albeit an extremely disrespectful one) among teenage boys with a predatory, sociopathic monster who has yet to even attempt to make amends with his victim.

There is zero chance that they ban Logan imo but I wouldn't be surprised if they try and virtue signal with some silly requirement from him.

There are current players in the league who have done far worse. Bettman can go F himself this was for PR nothing more. If he does get banned or is career is put on hold that's a lawsuit waiting to happen and the NHLPA should get involved.

 

[Tyson]

There are current players in the league who have done far worse. Bettman can go F himself this was for PR nothing more. If he does get banned or is career is put on hold that's a lawsuit waiting to happen and the NHLPA should get involved.

Exactly...there are some guys making millions from the 2018 WJC team who did much worse.
The NHL has a darker history than people realize and Bettman needs to tread carefully because the NHLPA won't allow him to do whatever he wants when it comes to the players.

 

[MasterD]

And yet, Lane is still the better player lmao
Weird eh

But I'm also rooting for Logan bigtime for sure


Uhh why lol, Burns is/was great

He's more offensively gifted but I'm not ready to say he's a better player overall.

Let's see how he does against well trained men with his petite woman stature. I hope he makes it and dominates, but that's not a given at all.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

What happened to General Nimitz's reports? Made a handful of allusions to his own imminent demise hope it didn't happen yet.

Imagine the numbers he'd put up had he actually played the last 2 years. I also doubt the D would be as bad.

To the relief of some and the dismay of others, I have yet to shed my mortal coil.

Here is my brief assessment of Mailloux’s play against the Rangers.

Overall: Mailloux’s play was a mixed bag of restraint and offensive flair. While Mailloux’s game lacked the fluidity and pace that he displayed against Guelph, Mailloux still played in all leveraged situations and was impactful in all three zones,

Offensively: Aside from scoring the winning goal in overtime, Mailloux had multiple scoring chances and displayed an offensive vision that will make him an impactful player in the NHL, if not a star. Interestingly, Hunter has now flipped Mailloux who now plays on the left half boards on London’s power plays. It's a role he will play on Montreal’s second power play unit (behind Caufield) in the NHL. But it was during the overtime that Mailloux's offensive talent really was displayed. Mailloux's package of strong skating, elite level of passing and shooting ability, and most importantly: offensive vision, makes him the ultimate 3 on 3 player. Against OHL opposition, it was basically a situation of a man against boys, as Mailloux had several scoring chances before scoring the winning goal. Once he reaches the NHL, and after gaining ten more pounds which will only make Mailloux faster, stronger and even harder to contain, Mailloux will provide Montreal with the best offensive weapon on defence during overtime since Petry dominated when he performed that role for the team.

Defensively: Mailloux played a steady defensive game, using his size, reach and anticipation to break up multiple offensive rushes at London’s blueline. One concern was Mailloux’s seeming hesitancy in skating the puck out of his defensive zone choosing rather in several situations to flipping the puck out of the defensive zone. A safe move perhaps in the OHL, but surrendering possession of the puck is not a strategy that will work effectively at the NHL level.

Other Notes: the game provided me with an opportunity to watch Mesar. From this writer’s perspective, Mesar was the most skilled player on the ice for either team. He has a combination of speed, skill and offensive vision that was a cut above any other player on the ice. Interestingly, the only Kitchener player to beat Mailloux off the rush was Mesar. Once he gains some strength, Mesar will pay in the NHL and play at an elite offensive level.

Also, as a historical note, Chester Nimitz was an Admiral in the U. S. Navy and not a general. Nimitz, the hero of the pivotal Battle of Midway, was briefly my late father’s commander in the run up to the invasion of Japan. Fortunately the war ended before the invasion was necessary. As my father used to say: The atom bomb save my life and gave you yours.

 

[red devil]

With Mailloux eligible playing in the NHL I'm not really concerned about it as I don't think it will be much of an issue. During the Mitchell Miller affair earlier this year, Pat Hickey asked Bettman about Mailloux and Bettman even said that you have to go case by case basis and that you can have redemption and rehabilitation. Bettman at that time didn't want to make another firestorm with giving a definite answer on Mailloux as he was dealing with the Miller issue at that time.

 

[sampollock]

Work the NHL so the habs can get him in Laval next year

 

[ChesterNimitz]

With Mailloux eligible playing in the NHL I'm not really concerned about it as I don't think it will be much of an issue. During the Mitchell Miller affair earlier this year, Pat Hickey asked Bettman about Mailloux and Bettman even said that you have to go case by case basis and that you can have redemption and rehabilitation. Bettman at that time didn't want to make another firestorm with giving a definite answer on Mailloux as he was dealing with the Miller issue at that time.

After allowing countless other players who committed far more grievous offences, including Casey Cizikas who was convicted of manslaughter, play uninterruptedly in the NHL, the league will not prevent Mailloux from playing in the NHL. Bettman is many things, but he is no fool. He’s also a lawyer and understands the legal peril in acting selectively in singling Mailloux out. It won’t happen.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Have to agree that MON can likely give the best offer for Dubois in the offseason, especially if Dubois is willing to do a sign and trade deal with The Habs?

Offseason is the perfect opportunity for Jets to see if they can get an actual C replacement for Dubois as a 2nd line C.

Habs trading Dvorak as a 3rd line C only provides more strength up the middle for the Jets and, perhaps, adding Anderson will only strengthen their playoff bid next season, eliminating the need for the 1st round pick.

To WIN from MON:

Dvorak + Anderson + Harris

To MON from WIN:

Dubois

The FLA 1st round pick could be a likelier flip as part of a package to SJ for Timo Meier.

Again, WIN wants to win now and SJ wants to rebuild.

The trade for Horvat gave a sense of what to might cost for Meier.

A draft pick in the 12-15 range from FLA would be a strong asset in terms of 1st round picks and MON could protect that pick as NJ did in the tree with VAN for Horvat.

Better still, MON could gamble that FLA will finish higher than 12th and leave that pick unprotected for bigger value.

Combined with that pick, MON would also need to send prospects to SJ.

Personally, I would give them a choice of one from Farrell, Roy and Mesar and a choice from one of Struble, Trudeau and Engstrom.

If it boiled down to this to seal the deal, I'd also add COL's 2nd round pick in 2024 that we got for Lehkonen.

The costliest pieces for MON are, IMO, obviously, the first round pick from FLA and one of Farrell, Roy or Mesar.

I think it is more than a fair deal for Meier and, with Dubois as an added acquisition, Montreal can pay the price and still grow in the process.

IMO, Farrell, Roy or Mesar will never represent what Meier currently proves to be and what Meier can be for the next 8 years in Montreal.

Caufield - Suzuki - Meier
Slafkovsky - Dubois - Dach
Farrell/Heineman - Beck - Heineman/Roy/Mesar
RHP - Evans - Armia/Gallagher
Gallagher, Armia

OR

Slafkovsky - Dubois - Meier
Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Farrell/Heineman - Beck - Heineman/Roy/Mesar
RHP - Evans - Armia/Gallagher
Gallagher, Armia

Would be the possible forward lineups for the Habs in the medium term. and this does not even take into account the identity of MON's own selection at the 2023 draft.

I think a Habs future forward lineup in this vein would be extremely hard to face by any team and options for specialty teams would abound.

With the Jets, it really depends on forced direction. Right now they are focused on a playoff run. When the offseason comes, they have to manage the future on Dubois and also on Scheifele, and Helle. They need new contracts soon too. What do the Jets prefer? To keep Dubois but looks like he has other plans. Then what? They try to get the best return and yeah, they are likely after another center cause they rather not rebuild and want to extend Scheifele and Helle? Or will they go full rebuild because they prefer not to be a 30+ core playoff team? Who knows but there could be a domino from all 3 players. It's possible Scheifele and Helle force their hand as well because they also smell rebuild narrative and don't want to be part of it. I'm willing to bet that they try to extend them this summer after July 1st. They need to know one way or another before they choose their direction. For all we know, all 3 of them are traded this summer. Or they have plans on signing Toews and don't want Dvorak or Anderson. We can only guess on all the context they will consider.

My offer is Panthers 1st, NHL contract (Armia) and a B+ prospect at center (Kidney or Kapanen). The B prospect is TBD but guys like Roy, Heineman, Farrell, are not being traded. I'm only interested if it's a trouba trade value situation. If it is not, I pass and take my chances he reaches UFA. I actually want to retain Dvorak as our 3C. There are several different packages we can consider.

I love Meier but he's 2 years older than Dubois and our core window of assets stretches too far. There is a 8 year gap between Dubois and the 2024 picks. 10 years with Meier. I pass on Meier. I'm adding Dubois cause the cost is cheap due to leverage and next year would still be a transition year and a possible top 10 pick again. Dubois helps us but we have to continue to focus on development and finding other pieces before we try to make the playoffs. Both Dubois and Meier would have me concerned we rise to fast.

 

[beowulf]

That is theoretically true but that would be some Draconian nonsense begging for a lawsuit.

Bettman is a tone deaf ****stick who had no business throwing a good kid who made a common mistake (albeit an extremely disrespectful one) among teenage boys with a predatory, sociopathic monster who has yet to even attempt to make amends with his victim.

There is zero chance that they ban Logan imo but I wouldn't be surprised if they try and virtue signal with some silly requirement from him.

I agree I just don't trust or assume anything with the NHL brain trust. They are never consistent with anything especially discipline.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

To the relief of some and the dismay of others, I have yet to shed my mortal coil.

Here is my brief assessment of Mailloux’s play against the Rangers.

Overall: Mailloux’s play was a mixed bag of restraint and offensive flair. While Mailloux’s game lacked the fluidity and pace that he displayed against Guelph, Mailloux still played in all leveraged situations and was impactful in all three zones,

Offensively: Aside from scoring the winning goal in overtime, Mailloux had multiple scoring chances and displayed an offensive vision that will make him an impactful player in the NHL, if not a star. Interestingly, Hunter has now flipped Mailloux who now plays on the left half boards on London’s power plays. It's a role he will play on Montreal’s second power play unit (behind Caufield) in the NHL. But it was during the overtime that Mailloux's offensive talent really was displayed. Mailloux's package of strong skating, elite level of passing and shooting ability, and most importantly: offensive vision, makes him the ultimate 3 on 3 player. Against OHL opposition, it was basically a situation of a man against boys, as Mailloux had several scoring chances before scoring the winning goal. Once he reaches the NHL, and after gaining ten more pounds which will only make Mailloux faster, stronger and even harder to contain, Mailloux will provide Montreal with the best offensive weapon on defence during overtime since Petry dominated when he performed that role for the team.

Defensively: Mailloux played a steady defensive game, using his size, reach and anticipation to break up multiple offensive rushes at London’s blueline. One concern was Mailloux’s seeming hesitancy in skating the puck out of his defensive zone choosing rather in several situations to flipping the puck out of the defensive zone. A safe move perhaps in the OHL, but surrendering possession of the puck is not a strategy that will work effectively at the NHL level.

Other Notes: the game provided me with an opportunity to watch Mesar. From this writer’s perspective, Mesar was the most skilled player on the ice for either team. He has a combination of speed, skill and offensive vision that was a cut above any other player on the ice. Interestingly, the only Kitchener player to beat Mailloux off the rush was Mesar. Once he gains some strength, Mesar will pay in the NHL and play at an elite offensive level.

Also, as a historical note, Chester Nimitz was an Admiral in the U. S. Navy and not a general. Nimitz, the hero at the pivotal Battle of Midway, was briefly my late father’s commander in the run up to the invasion of Japan. Fortunately the war ended before the invasion was necessary. As my father used to say: The atom bomb save my life and gave you yours.

Well it's to my relief good sir. And thank you as always for these.

I feel like the last report I've read of yours (maybe a month or so ago) you seemed quite worried about his defensive play. To the point where it may be prohibitive in him being any kind of NHL player (if I remember correctly that is). Are you a little less worried now/seeing some improvement?

And thanks for that historical tidbit. I've always been interested in military history albeit not really pursuing that interest in any serious way.

Do you have any recommendations for books/documentaries/podcasts offhand?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Well it's to my relief good sir. And thank you as always for these.

I feel like the last report I've read of yours (maybe a month or so ago) you seemed quite worried about his defensive play. To the point where it may be prohibitive in him being any kind of NHL player (if I remember correctly that is). Are you a little less worried now/seeing some improvement?

And thanks for that historical tidbit. I've always been interested in military history albeit not really pursuing that interest in any serious way.

Do you have any recommendations for books/documentaries/podcasts offhand?

I think the word worried is a bit too strong with respect to my assessment of this intriguing prospect. In my opinion, Mailloux's current offensive promise is much more pronounced than his defensive promise. With his development 'curve' having been so interrupted these past few years, it's hard to accurately gauge what Mailloux's ultimate upside is. Bearing this in mind, and after closely watching Mailloux's play over the first half of this season, I have little doubt that with his combination of skating, shooting and passing skills, coupled with his offensive vision, Mailloux will become a highly impactful offensive player at the next level. While Mailloux's defensive play will always lag behind his offensive prowess, what he can and will accomplish offensively will allow him to carve out a long and successful career in the NHL. There are so few players that offer his elite skill set. And, as I noted earlier, once Mailloux's frame fills out and he plays at 215 -220 pounds, this kid will become dangerous. Hopefully more so for opposing teams than for the Canadiens.

As for historical texts, I would strongly recommend Gordon Prange: Miracle at Midway which I find to be the seminal work on the battle that was the turning point of the War in the Pacific. I also strongly recommend Andrew Roberts: The Storm of War, considered by many, including this writer, to be the best single volume history of the Second World War.

 

[26Mats]

To the relief of some and the dismay of others, I have yet to shed my mortal coil.

Here is my brief assessment of Mailloux’s play against the Rangers.

Overall: Mailloux’s play was a mixed bag of restraint and offensive flair. While Mailloux’s game lacked the fluidity and pace that he displayed against Guelph, Mailloux still played in all leveraged situations and was impactful in all three zones,

Offensively: Aside from scoring the winning goal in overtime, Mailloux had multiple scoring chances and displayed an offensive vision that will make him an impactful player in the NHL, if not a star. Interestingly, Hunter has now flipped Mailloux who now plays on the left half boards on London’s power plays. It's a role he will play on Montreal’s second power play unit (behind Caufield) in the NHL. But it was during the overtime that Mailloux's offensive talent really was displayed. Mailloux's package of strong skating, elite level of passing and shooting ability, and most importantly: offensive vision, makes him the ultimate 3 on 3 player. Against OHL opposition, it was basically a situation of a man against boys, as Mailloux had several scoring chances before scoring the winning goal. Once he reaches the NHL, and after gaining ten more pounds which will only make Mailloux faster, stronger and even harder to contain, Mailloux will provide Montreal with the best offensive weapon on defence during overtime since Petry dominated when he performed that role for the team.

Defensively: Mailloux played a steady defensive game, using his size, reach and anticipation to break up multiple offensive rushes at London’s blueline. One concern was Mailloux’s seeming hesitancy in skating the puck out of his defensive zone choosing rather in several situations to flipping the puck out of the defensive zone. A safe move perhaps in the OHL, but surrendering possession of the puck is not a strategy that will work effectively at the NHL level.

Other Notes: the game provided me with an opportunity to watch Mesar. From this writer’s perspective, Mesar was the most skilled player on the ice for either team. He has a combination of speed, skill and offensive vision that was a cut above any other player on the ice. Interestingly, the only Kitchener player to beat Mailloux off the rush was Mesar. Once he gains some strength, Mesar will pay in the NHL and play at an elite offensive level.

Also, as a historical note, Chester Nimitz was an Admiral in the U. S. Navy and not a general. Nimitz, the hero of the pivotal Battle of Midway, was briefly my late father’s commander in the run up to the invasion of Japan. Fortunately the war ended before the invasion was necessary. As my father used to say: The atom bomb save my life and gave you yours.

For me I can see Mesar's skill, but it remains to be seen whether he'll produce at the NHL level.

So far, my comparable for him is Sergei Ssmsonov. Samsonov had a ton of skill. It looked like he always had an extra few back and forth with the puck when stickhandling. This took extra skill and gave a flair to how he looked on the ice. But he wasn't effective offensively for us, just looked fancy with all his stick handling.

So, I'm hopeful Mesar can be more.

 

[Natey]

For me I can see Mesar's skill, but it remains to be seen whether he'll produce at the NHL level.

So far, my comparable for him is Sergei Ssmsonov. Samsonov had a ton of skill. It looked like he always had an extra few back and forth with the puck when stickhandling. This took extra skill and gave a flair to how he looked on the ice. But he wasn't effective offensively for us, just looked fancy with all his stick handling.

So, I'm hopeful Mesar can be more.

Said about every 1st round prospect ever....

 

[26Mats]

Said about every 1st round prospect ever....

That's not what was said in the post I was replying to...

 

[Tyson]

Those of you who have the NHL Network-
London vs Sarnia tonight. It will be the first time I will have seen Logan Mailloux. Should be fun.

 

[26Mats]

Said about every 1st round prospect ever....

Hopefully Mesar is the next Zucharello and not Sergei Samsonov when we had him or Andrighetto.

Man has Zucharello ever aged like wine. 2nd year in a row where he's scoring above point per game at 35 years of age. Previously with New York he only hit 60 points once. And he's only 5'8

 

[jaffy27]

20 goals for a D is no joke

Ok there Biden lol

Seriously though, it’s amazing…..this kid is just starting to tap into his offensive potential!!

Mailloux and Hutson’s potential on the point manning PP1 and 2 respectively is exciting to say the least.

The future at D is starting to take shape

 

[red devil]

Those of you who have the NHL Network-
London vs Sarnia tonight. It will be the first time I will have seen Logan Mailloux. Should be fun.

The game is on TSN4 in Canada

 

[Natey]

Hopefully Mesar is the next Zucharello and not Sergei Samsonov when we had him or Andrighetto.

Man has Zucharello ever aged like wine. 2nd year in a row where he's scoring above point per game at 35 years of age. Previously with New York he only hit 60 points once. And he's only 5'8

Doesn't hurt playing with KK though