Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Catanddogguitarrr]

murderers, rapists, pedo's, serial killers, cannibals....Toronto Maple Leafs etc

That's a suite that goes naturally well together, lol.

 

[Naslundforever]

but he also created liars

And pigeons that eat their own shit.

Fun story, I only recently learned NHL players use “pigeon” as an insult.

Any good clips of this kids’s season so far?

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

And pigeons that eat their own shit.

Fun story, I only recently learned NHL players use “pigeon” as an insult.

The famous Giroux vs Van Riemsdyk Pigeon call lol

 

[waitin425]

The famous Giroux vs Van Riemsdyk Pigeon call lol

Funny they became teammates!!!

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Funny they became teammates!!!

They were teammates prior to this which is even funnier.

Pigeons stand around and wait for others to feed them which is what Giroux did for him before he went to Toronto.

 

[ZUKI]

Sometimes I wonder if these pundits ever watched Mailloux play or are they basing their opinions of the consensus of the extremes they choose to adopt. In the case of Mailloux both extremes are erroneous. Let us wait and see how this player develops. But as I previously posted, his development to date, when one considers the time he has missed due to COVID, suspension and injury, has been impressive. Some elements of his game are already NHL level ready. Some elements are not. Mailloux will play in the the NHL, for Montreal or some other team. That is indisputable. His ultimate impact in the NHL however, will depend on how well he develops those elements of his game that are currently not NHL ready.

so well said.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

but he also created liars

Let's keep politicians out of this.

 

[Captain97]

Let's keep politicians out of this.

And lawyers

 

[The Real Timo]

I see Mallioux step up instead of Eddy next season (don't think it's THAT tall of an order), after Eddy lands habs another first round pick. So 2 we already have, 1 from Monahab, 1 from Eddy. Man... LOL... Habs will be loaded for life.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

so well said.

Thanks for your kind comment.

I watched the London Knights/Kitchener Rangers game last night which provided me with an opportunity to observe two of Montreal's most touted prospects: Mailloux and Mesar.

This is my assessment of their play:

Mailloux

Overall: This impressive, young defenceman played a steady, controlled game. Offensively, he wasn't as noticeable as in previous games while he was equally unnoticeable defensively. While this lack of noticeability may be disappointing with respect to the former, it is a significant improvement with respect to the latter. Overall, Mailloux played a lesser role than he usually assumes. He played his normal shift and on all power plays, but rarely played on the penalty killing unit.

On Defence: Mailloux exhibited excellent positioning and anticipation, shutting down opposing forwards in the defensive zone (see below with respect to my comments on Mesar) and closing the gap with determination and force. He regularly used his great reach to break up passes and to steer opposing forwards away from the danger areas. He also used his elite straight forward speed in recovery situations and to disrupt and deny passing lanes. Mailloux delivered several heavy hits as it appears he is starting to gain more confidence as to the health of his surgically repaired shoulder. Most importantly, he made prudent pinches at the offensive blueline and wasn't beaten wide by opposing forwards off the rush. Mailloux was mainly paired with Isaiah George. In this writer's opinion, this was an excellent move by Hunter as George is already an NHL level skater and his presence relieved Mailloux from having to be the main puck transporter when he was on the ice. This 'relief' allowed Mailloux, who I strongly believe is yet to be in top game shape, to have more energy later in the game. I still can't understand how Montreal's scouts while observing Mailloux's progress didn't identify George's potential. The failure to move up and draft this young defenceman as he 'fell' in last year's draft is an oversight that we will all come to regret in a few years. I am hoping that Team Canada's management will not be as equally myopic when selecting defencemen for Team Canada at the upcoming WJC. George's skating reminds me of Morgan Reilly's when he skated for Moose Jaw. All in all, it was Mailloux's strongest defensive performance to date, albeit, against a weak opponent.

On Offence: As noted above, Mailloux, compared to previous games, had a relatively quiet game offensively. While he made several end to end rushes, they were few and far between as he let his defensive partner, George do the heavy lifting in this regard. Where Mailloux did shine was on the power play. He showed excellent vision and creativity, often finding the open man resulting in multiple scoring chances. Interestingly, London used Mailloux on the half-board (a la Caufield) on power plays. I think this was done to take advantage of Mailloux's underestimated play-making ability and as a decoy to open up other areas of the ice since all teams have to over commit to take away Mailloux's shot (a la Caufield). While Mailloux did display his NHL shot, he still has to learn how to get that shot through the first defender who challenges him. Too many of his shots continue to be blocked. Once Mailloux learns how get his shot through or past that 'pressure' or challenging forward ( its a real talent that most NHL defencemen never can achieve) this kid will be a consistent 15 to 20 goal scorer at the next level. Mailloux again displayed his passing skill and total vision in completing several several three zone passes. His passes are missiles that recipients cringe when they see the incoming blurring object. Notwithstanding the pass of the night was the three zone seam pass executed by George under duress that sprung Barkey on a clean break-a-way that led to London's third goal.

Mesar

Overall: Mesar was easily the Rangers' most dangerous and creative player who displayed high end speed and play making ability. His skating ability and quickness challenged the Knights' defencemen all game, including one time, when Mailloux was forced to try to cover and contain him in London's defensive zone for an extended sequence. Mailloux was successful, which says more about Mailloux's growing defensive capabilities than Mesar's current offensive abilities. Mesar sees the ice well and would be greatly assisted if he could play with more talented line mates. The Rangers use Mesar on the power play exactly like the Canadiens use Suzuki, as the main puck transporter. For a smallish player, Mesar showed no reluctance to go into high traffic areas and charge the net. On one such foray, Mesar 'hit' the crossbar. For Mesar to play effectively in the NHL, he will have to get stronger. Much stronger. With such increased strength will come additional speed. His shot is already NHL ready and his hockey IQ, in particular, his on ice vision and offensive processing, is impressive. If Mesar gets stronger and fills out, he projects as a Jesper Bratt level type of player who could be another potential power play option for the Canadiens in 2 to 3 years. Bottom line, I came away impressed with this young player's potential. He will play in the NHL. How well he plays will largely depend on how much strength he can add over the next few years.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

And lawyers

Trust me. Sooner or later, everyone needs lawyers. Ask Warren Zevon:

listen to warren zevon lawyers guns and money - Google Suche

 

[DAChampion]

I see Mallioux step up instead of Eddy next season (don't think it's THAT tall of an order), after Eddy lands habs another first round pick. So 2 we already have, 1 from Monahab, 1 from Eddy. Man... LOL... Habs will be loaded for life.

Keep in mind most players drafted 20 to 32 either bust or become mediocre players. McCarron is a lot more common than Pastrnak.

 

[The Real Timo]

Keep in mind most players drafted 20 to 32 either bust or become mediocre players. McCarron is a lot more common than Pastrnak.

He should be ok... Eddy is not a very high bar, as much as I like him. Also, Mallioux would have gone higher (maybe?) if it wasn't for his circumstance... wouldn't he?

 

[DAChampion]

He should be ok... Eddy is not a very high bar, as much as I like him. Also, Mallioux would have gone higher (maybe?) if it wasn't for his circumstance... wouldn't he?

I mean that the 1st the Habs would ideally get for Edmundson is of a random value.

 

[WeThreeKings]

I see Mallioux step up instead of Eddy next season (don't think it's THAT tall of an order), after Eddy lands habs another first round pick. So 2 we already have, 1 from Monahab, 1 from Eddy. Man... LOL... Habs will be loaded for life.

Don't see this happening he's way too raw on defense.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I see Mallioux step up instead of Eddy next season (don't think it's THAT tall of an order), after Eddy lands habs another first round pick. So 2 we already have, 1 from Monahab, 1 from Eddy. Man... LOL... Habs will be loaded for life.

I hope your right. But I think it will be hard to get a first round pick for Edmundson in this year's draft. Whether warranted or not, this draft has taken on mythical proportions, with each team seeing a first round pick as being a potential (assured?) front line player. Ahh ..... the ever present consensus that, of course, is never wrong. I, for one, think that after the first 10 to 12 picks, this draft will be no 'deeper' than previous years. Just remember that last year's supposedly 'weak' draft allowed us to grab Beck and Hutson in the second round and allowed other excellent prospects like Firkus, Chesley, Del Bel Belluz, Kyrou, Zhilkin and George to be selected in the second, third and fourth rounds. The gold in this year's draft is having a pick in the top 10. I suspect if Hughes can continue his magic, and he is able to secure a first round choice for Edmundson, it will be in 2024 or 2025. But a return of a second round pick plus a prospect is more probable. But you never know. Injuries and the desperation (foolishness) of other general managers, which should never be underestimated, may allow the magic to continue.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Don't see this happening he's way too raw on defense.

I agree. There is no bigger supporter of Mailloux's potential than this writer. But unless he shows as unexpectedly well as Xhekaj did in this year's exhibition games, at next year's camp, Mailloux's arrival will be late 2023/2024 or the 2024/2025 season. He still has to makeup those two years of interrupted development. I have, however, no doubts that Mailloux will play in the NHL and play well, whether for Montreal or some other team.

 

[Revansky]

Don't see this happening he's way too raw on defense.

He struggles at times with his reads, gap control and positioning in junior, and he won't learn these things easily at a higher level of play. He's been injured so much I don't know why everyone wants to rush him in the NHL. He'll be caved in at 5 vs 5 and we don't want to develop him as a PP specialist aka M-A Bergeron. Unless he progresses tremendously in the next two years, feels like he'll need at least two others years of Junior/AHL before being close to ready for some callups in the NHL.

 

[MasterD]

Don't see this happening he's way too raw on defense.

Exactly. And understandably so. He has what, 30 games of experience in the OHL?

His potential is huge, but there’s work to be done. Not even at the polishing stage yet.

He should be ok... Eddy is not a very high bar, as much as I like him. Also, Mallioux would have gone higher (maybe?) if it wasn't for his circumstance... wouldn't he?

Skill wise, sure. But experience and maturity can’t be bought. Give Mailloux time, he’ll be good.

 

[cphabs]

These tweets are so embarrassing. I'm coming around to the view that flamboyant wokesters are often just people who are overcompensating for their own failings, rather than people who genuinely care, or even more harmless losers simply seeking validation in the form of more likes and retweets.

A minor took a video of an adult during a sexual act. Absolutely stupid, but? He had the balls to admit it and face the consequences. I’m pretty sure Logan is a different person now. I wonder if the adult is still the same…

 

[HuGo Burner Acc]

I didn’t grow up in the climate you experienced. Where was your high school?

The boys in my highschool that were seniors, etc when I was a freshman created a site call "[school name] Nudes" and anonymously posted nudes of half the girls they went to school with. Wild stuff. Teen boys are degenerates

It’s just as much on HuGo. They chose to put him in the NHL. And if the coach doesn’t trust the player, they should step in and force MSL to play him or send him down to the AHL.

They have the final say at the end of the day.

As I said at the start of the year I’d rather he be in the minors so he can get loads of ice. This is what I was worried about.

Again, the good news is that he doesn’t look out of place. But if you’re not going to play him, send him down.

It's NOT OKAY for people to be sceptical of Slafkovsky. It's not allowed.

If you're sceptical of Slafkovsky or his handling or his development trajectory you are nothing but a lowly maggot, a good-for-nothing troll, a subhuman bit of pond scum on the bottom of a true Habs fans shoes. Take it from me, I'm a real Habs fan, I was ready to kill to defend Kotkaniemi's development, did you see his playoff goals before age 20 I said to the man. I actually strangled a man in Reno for saying that Galchenyuk shouldn't have been rushed to the NHL. Don't test my patience.

Slafkovsky is an automatic success. He is the next Jagr and nothing will get in his way, except possibly if he keeps getting his clock punched every 8 games that might get in his way.

Give it a rest.

I don’t care if it’s the NHL, AHL, Finland, or the CHL. I just want him to play a ton of hockey. The closer we are to a playoff spot, the more incentive this coaching staff is going to have to bury him in the line up. These are important development years, if the coaches in Montreal don’t feel confident enough to play him, then something needs to be done.

Agreed.

We continually rush prospects. I don’t see the harm in him doing some time in the minors.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Keep in mind most players drafted 20 to 32 either bust or become mediocre players. McCarron is a lot more common than Pastrnak.

It depends on the draft and the scouting staff. This appears to be a realtively deep draft so any 1st has a better chance of success than in most drafts. Mesar and Beck look pretty good from the '22 draft.

 

[Runner77]

And pigeons that eat their own shit.

Fun story, I only recently learned NHL players use “pigeon” as an insult.

Any good clips of this kids’s season so far?

Just looked up the pigeon thing. Looking like a pretty mild jab that’s in wide use across the league. Only regret is having had to watch a Mark Scheifele clip on YouTube, explaining it.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Exactly. And understandably so. He has what, 30 games of experience in the OHL?

His potential is huge, but there’s work to be done. Not even at the polishing stage yet.

I was able to watch London's game against the Oshawa Generals yesterday and here are my continuing assessment of Mailloux's performance/development:

Overall: Mailloux played a strong game where he displayed the offensive and defensive skills that make him a prospect with such considerable promise. Mailloux was once again partnered with Isaiah George (who I think was the Knights' most prominent player) and he played in all high leverage situations: power plays, penalty killing and the last two minutes of the game when the Generals had pulled their goalie and were pressing for the tying goal. It was a game where Mailloux was noticeable for positive reason in all three zones of the ice.

On Offense: As I noted in my post following the London/Kitchener game, Mailloux's pairing with George has resulted in a subtle metamorphosis in Mailloux's game as he now plays a more disciplined, controlled game and lets George help in the puck transportation role. Mailloux still carries out those exciting end to end rushes, but such forays are limited to one or two rushes each period. In the Oshawa game Mailloux had less than five rushes (about the same number as George) one of which resulted in a General defenceman having to take a penalty to stop him. George is a smoother skater than Mailloux, as Mailloux uses his raw strength and long, looping strides to gain high end speed. I saw Mailloux use one explosive stride to avoid and skate around a Oshawa forechecker like he was a practice pylon and then start his rush up the ice. Its the type of skating ability I look for in the players I assess. When this kid fills out and gets stronger and faster his rushes will be something to behold. He's not there yet. But soon. Mailloux had 5 shots in the game (the most of any Knights' player) and came very close to scoring two goals. Mailloux played almost the full two minutes of each power play and in this game he reverted to usual position at the right point. He showed excellent vision in the offensive zone making several clever passes to teammates creating scoring chances. Mailloux was held off the score sheet but was directly involved in three of the Knights' goals: the first, where he made the break out pass that created an odd man rush; the second, where he kept the puck in the offensive zone during a power play and made a clever 6 foot pass under pressure that led to the Knights' only power play goal and the third, where he hit the goal post when the Oshawa goalie had been pulled and the puck rebounded to another London player who scored into the empty net. I don't understand why he wasn't awarded with an assist on the goal. But that omission was of little importance. On a negative note, several of Mailloux's usually accurate stretch passes went astray and caused icings. Of further interest, or curiosity, Mailloux took one offensive face off during a London power play when the initial London player taking the draw was thrown out of the circle. He won the face-off.

On Defence: Mailloux played a steady but physical game and cleared the front of the Knights' net with great prejudice. In fact, his aggressive play drew a penalty when London was killing a penalty creating a two man advantage against his team. The Generals did in fact score on the ensuing two man advantage. Most importantly, Mailloux was steady in the defensive zone and made most of the correct defensive reads, sealing off opponent's rushes, using his recovery speed to pressure General forwards, and using his great reach to interfere with passes and, on one occasion, deflecting a shot into the stands that prevented an almost certain goal. Mailloux was a physical presence in both the defensive zone and in the offensive zone including throwing a huge hip check behind the General's' net after one of his rushes. While Mailloux was not beaten wide, there was one occasion when Mailloux overcommitted while using impressive lateral skating in an attempt to stop a Generals' player at the London blueline, who then passed the puck against the grain to another Generals' player who had skated into the space vacated by Mailloux. It was the only major blemish in an otherwise strong defensive game played by this talented defenceman.

Other Notes about the Game: The Generals fielded one of the largest junior teams that I can remember. Their defence was comprised of three 6' 2" players; one 6' 3" player; two 6' 4" players and one 5' 8" player. Their forwards included one 6' 1" player; one 6' 2" player; three 6' 3" players; one 6' 4" player and one 6' 7" player. Mailloux, who usually towers over most opponents, looked small during the game. Of the Generals players that impressed me included, Dylan Roobroeck, a 6' 7" left wing who is a 2004 birthdate. For a player that big he showed surprising skating ability and puck handling skills. I would scout this kid closely because if he develops, he has a chance to be a Tage Thompson-like player. I was really impressed with his play and I hope that the geniuses at Team Canada are as equally impressed. Put him on a line with two elite forwards and this kid could be an unstoppable force at the upcoming WJC. Another player who impressed me was Brett Harrison, a 6' 3" center drafted by Boston in the third round in 2021. This kid will definitely play in the NHL and will be an effective player who we will have to deal with in the near future. Finally, it was the first time that I had a chance to watch Calum Ritchie who is supposed to go high in the 2023 draft. He's listed at 6' 2" and weighing 187 lbs. He looks bigger. My first impression is: Josh Anderson light. Ritchie doesn't skate as fast as Anderson, but still gets up the ice with above average speed. He’s a little smaller than Anderson but is more creative offensively. I was impressed that Oshawa uses Ritchie as one of their main puck transporters on the power play ( think the way Montreal uses Suzuki) which gives you an idea of what his skating ability is. I don't know how high he will go in the upcoming draft, but from what I saw, he will go high (as understandably, most teams will be seduced by his combination of size, speed and skill) but only after the usual suspects (Bedard, Fantilli, Benson, Yager, etc.).

 

[Tyson]

I was able to watch London's game against the Oshawa Generals yesterday and here are my continuing assessment of Mailloux's performance/development:

Overall: Mailloux played a strong game where he displayed the offensive and defensive skills that make him a prospect with such considerable promise. He was once again partnered with Isaiah George (who I think was the Knights' most prominent player) and played in all high leverage situations: power plays, penalty killing and the last two minutes of the game when the Generals had pulled their goalie and were pressing for the tying goal. It was a game where Mailloux was noticeable for positive reason in all three zones of the ice.

On Offense: As I noted in my post following the London/Kitchener game, Mailloux's pairing with George has resulted in a subtle metamorphosis in Mailloux's game as he now plays a more disciplined, controlled game and lets George help in the puck transportation role. Mailloux still carries out those exciting end to end rushes, but such forays are limited to one or two rushes each period. In the Oshawa game Mailloux had less than five rushes (about the same number as George) one of which resulted in a General defenceman having to take a penalty to stop him. George is a smoother skater than Mailloux, who uses his raw strength and log, looping strides to gain high end speed. I saw Mailloux use one explosive stride to avoid and skate around a Oshawa forechecker like he was a practice pylon and then start his rush up the ice. Its the type of skating ability I look for in the players I assess. When this kid fills out and gets stronger and faster his rushes will be something to behold. He's not there yet. But soon. Mailloux had 5 shots in the game (the most of any Knights' player) and came very close to scoring two goals. Mailloux played almost the full two minutes of each power play and in this game he reverted to usual position at the right point. He showed excellent vision in the offensive zone making several clever passes to team mates creating scoring chances. Mailloux was held off the score sheet but was directly involved with three of the Knights' goals: the first, where he made the break out pass that created an odd man rush; the second, where he kept the puck in the offensive zone during a power play and made a clever 6 foot pass under pressure that led to the Knights' only power play goal and the third, where he hit the goal post when the Oshawa goalie had been pulled and the puck rebounded to another London player who scored into the empty net. I don't understand why he wasn't awarded with an assist on the goal. But that omission was of little importance. On a negative note, several of Mailloux's usually accurate stretch passes went astray and caused icings. Of further interest, or curiosity, Mailloux took one offensive face off during a London power play when the initial London player taking the draw was thrown out of the circle. He won the face-off.

On Defence: Mailloux played a steady but physical game and cleared the front of the Knights' net with great prejudice. In fact, his aggressive play drew a penalty when London was killing a penalty creating a two man advantage against his team. The Generals did in fact score on the ensuing two man advantage. Most importantly, Mailloux was steady in the defensive zone and made most of the correct defensive reads, sealing off opponent's rushes, using his recovery speed to pressure General forwards, and using his great reach to interfere with passes and on one occasion deflecting a shot into the stands that prevented an almost certain goal. Mailloux was a physical presence in both the defensive zone and in the offensive zone including throwing a huge hip check behind the General's net after one of his rushes. While Mailloux was not beaten wide, there was one occasion when Mailloux overcommitted while using impressive lateral skating in an attempt to stop a Generals' player at the London blueline, who then passed the puck against the grain to another Generals' player who had skated into the space vacated by Mailloux. It was the only major blemish in an otherwise strong defensive game played by this talented defenceman.

Other Notes about the Game: The Generals fielded one of the largest junior teams that I can remember. Their defence was comprised of three 6' 2" players; one 6' 3" player; two 6' 4" players and one 5' 8" player. Their forwards included one 6' 1" player; one 6' 2" player; three 6' 3" players; one 6' 4" player and one 6' 7" player. Mailloux, who usually towers over most opponents, looked small during the game. Of the General players that impressed me included Dylan Roobroeck, a 6' 7" left wing who is a 2004 birthdate. For a player that big he showed surprising skating ability and puck handling skills. I would scout this kid closely because if he develops, he has a chance to be a Tage Thompson-like player. I was impressed with his play. Another player who impressed me was Brett Harrison, a 6' 3" center drafted by Boston in the third round in 2021. This kid will definitely play in the NHL and will be an effective player we will have to deal with in the near future. Finally, it was the first time that I had a chance to watch Calum Ritchie who is supposed to go high in the 2023 draft. He's listed at 6' 2" and weighing 187 lbs. He looks bigger. My first impression is Josh Anderson light. Ritchie doesn't skate as fast as Anderson, but still gets up the ice with above average speed, is a little smaller than Anderson but is more creative offensively. I was impressed that Oshawa uses Ritchie as one of their main puck transporters on the power play ( think the way Montreal uses Suzuki) which gives you an idea of what his skating ability is. I don't know how high he will go in the upcoming draft, but from what I saw he will go high but after the usual suspects ( Bedarrd, Fantilli, Benson, Yager, etc.)

Very worth read Amiral.
Thanks for taking the time. I look forward to your reports.