Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Bacchus1]

Great, looking forward to seeing him at training camp.

 

[ThaDevilGirl]

The vast majority of young men absolutely show their friends these pictures.

Doesn't make it right.

 

[Scriptor]

The vast majority young men without class show their friends these pictures. It's just a sign that kids weren't brought up right.

Had a boss once that was proud to show naked pictures of his girlfriends. Couldn't be bothered with that guy either.

If you don't respect others, you shouldn't be respected. I believe that this is the first thing that Mailloux learned from this experience.

 

[Rapala]

We live in a society with a 5-min attention span

I’m being generous with 5-min…

I was thinking along these same lines. The lad just needs to keep his head down play some decent hockey and time will take care of the rest. We aren't seeing people constantly blasting Rob Ramage for his issues which were far more grevious and committed as an adult...

This too shall pass.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

The vast majority of young men absolutely show their friends these pictures.

I'm no Saint, but as someone who was around this age and still a young man when pictures would be so pixelated you couldn't tell what was really happening, I've never heard of guys doing that that I associated with.

Now, if it were talking about which women they got with and what they might have done, sure, women do that with other women, but none take pictures and then show their buddies.

I'm just guessing here, but seems like you were around a bunch of sad, sad people.

 

[Belial]

I don't know exactly how the entire thing unfolded but it's possible they brought it up to the coach, or someone they obviously trusted. I don't think/know they went to the cops right away or would know that it was a line that was criminal.

They aren't at fault for going to someone and letting it be known what was being shared without consent and no one should try to paint them with that brush.

They are good kids who did the right thing by not letting it persist. I know I've been around conversations like that when I was younger and not doing anything about it. When we didn't do anything about it.. the behavior didn't stop.

And what I've been trying to say is that the way these things generally get handled internally in sports is burying shit. We have the Hockey Canada scandals fresh and ongoing to know that really handling things like this without escalating it and putting attention on these toxic and criminal behaviors - they are doomed to be repeated.

Outside of this incident in Sweden for Mailloux and the hazing stuff that finally got exposed, then the racism being exposed by Akim Aliu.. all of that stuff persisted and festered. Hockey is cleaning up more and more because of these small wins.

Let's be real the tone of the guy saying those were bad teammates were because that's a guy who doesn't take any issue with what Mailloux did and thought it was a violation of 'bro code' to actually do anything about it.

Are you sure that's what happened?

I don't think anyone reported anything.

I think some of his "bros" that saw the picture went and commented something on her Instagram profile and that's how she new that he shared what happened between them.

 

[Tyson]

When Mailloux came out publicly and asked that teams not to draft him as he had not earned it I came away impressed. The kid was already trying to take accountability.

Make no mistake, he would have been picked in the 2nd round by someone.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I don't know exactly how the entire thing unfolded but it's possible they brought it up to the coach, or someone they obviously trusted. I don't think/know they went to the cops right away or would know that it was a line that was criminal.

They aren't at fault for going to someone and letting it be known what was being shared without consent and no one should try to paint them with that brush.

They are good kids who did the right thing by not letting it persist. I know I've been around conversations like that when I was younger and not doing anything about it. When we didn't do anything about it.. the behavior didn't stop.

And what I've been trying to say is that the way these things generally get handled internally in sports is burying shit. We have the Hockey Canada scandals fresh and ongoing to know that really handling things like this without escalating it and putting attention on these toxic and criminal behaviors - they are doomed to be repeated.

Outside of this incident in Sweden for Mailloux and the hazing stuff that finally got exposed, then the racism being exposed by Akim Aliu.. all of that stuff persisted and festered. Hockey is cleaning up more and more because of these small wins.

Let's be real the tone of the guy saying those were bad teammates were because that's a guy who doesn't take any issue with what Mailloux did and thought it was a violation of 'bro code' to actually do anything about it.

It should be pointed out that he was the youngest player on this team where most were over 20 and many closer to 25 and it wasn't a group of them complaining, it was one older teammate who knew the girl and her father who blew the whistle. There was obviously a need for Mailloux to impress his older teammates and to show that he wasn't an inexperienced kid and he chose an absolutely awful way to try and assimilate. We don't know what type if any pressure was applied to him to do something like this so we should reserve any harsh and long lasting judgements.

I agree that this teammate's character should not be attacked but this incident was a very poor decision and an isolated incident by a 17 year old boy and little more. The sharing of the picture wouldn't even be newsworthy if she let him take it but she did not give consent and was not even aware that the photo had been taken. This is the problem that I have with his behavior as well as the stupid mistake of sharing it online even though it was a closed, private group.

Athletes from many sports always have and will continue to share pics of short term conquests and both parties are very aware of this likelihood the very second that the pic is taken. What Logan did is reprehensible but not character defining but I do agree that there is a culture among athletes that needs to be looked at a little more closely. Kids need to have adult role models who address the moral, ethical and personal responsibilities that young men should be using to govern their actions and the the consequences for not doing so.

 

[Scriptor]

I was around other athletes and am still around alot of athletes and this is exactly how it has always been. The only th


It should be pointed out that he was the youngest player on this team where most were over 20 and many closer to 25 and it wasn't a group of them complaining, it was one older teammate who knew the girl and her father who blew the whistle. There was obviously a need to impress his older teammates and to show that he wasn't an inexperienced kid and he chose an absolutely awful way to try and assimilate. We don't know what type if any pressure was applied to him to do something like this so we should reserve any harsh and long lasting judgements.

I agree that this teammate's character should not be attacked but this incident was a very poor decision and an isolated incident by a 17 year old boy and little more. The sharing of the picture wouldn't even be newsworthy if she let him take it but she did not give consent as was not even aware that the photo had been taken and that is the problem that I have with his behavior as well as the stupid mistake of sharing it online even though it was a closed, private group.

Athletes from many sports always have and will continue to share pics of short term conquests and both parties are very aware of this likelihood the very second that the pic is taken. What Logan did is reprehensible but not character defining but I do agree that there is a culture among athletes that needs to be looked at a little more closely. Kids need to have adult role models who address the moral, ethical and personal responsibilities that young men should be using to govern their actions and the the consequences for not doing so.

Losers.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Doesn't make it right.

And it doesn't make it wrong....it is the norm.

 

[MasterD]

I was thinking along these same lines. The lad just needs to keep his head down play some decent hockey and time will take care of the rest. We aren't seeing people constantly blasting Rob Ramage for his issues which were far more grevious and committed as an adult...

This too shall pass.

Funny you should mention Ramage, I read about him almost daily on this board.

When Mailloux came out publicly and asked that teams not to draft him as he had not earned it I came away impressed. The kid was already trying to take accountability.

Make no mistake, he would have been picked in the 2nd round by someone.

I'm pretty, pretty sure it was a calculated move with his agents.

And it doesn't make it wrong....it is the norm.

I think we've all noticed over the last 4 years that the norm is usually garbage

 

[Kimota]

I'm no Saint, but as someone who was around this age and still a young man when pictures would be so pixelated you couldn't tell what was really happening, I've never heard of guys doing that that I associated with.

Now, if it were talking about which women they got with and what they might have done, sure, women do that with other women, but none take pictures and then show their buddies.

I'm just guessing here, but seems like you were around a bunch of sad, sad people.

Or fun, fun people. lol . Environment plays a big part of where your mind is at. When I was in my early 20s I was working for a carnaval and we were travelling from to town in the province. Some of those towns really had nothing and we were treated like a big deal when we would go to these bars. It was fun and had a lot of fun encounters with ladies. (sometime I wish I took the time to appreciate it cause time flies) It was so damn easy, I could end the night with like 10 phone numbers. Nobody had phones back in the day but I can just imagine a friend sending me a picture of one of his conquest and laughing about it. Not to demean anybody, just to share the joy that you feel. That said, I always kept my "adventures" private. But some friends would tell each other "moments". It wasn't pictures but it was still telling the tale. I can easily understand the mindset.

 

[1909]

Bettman was pissed off because Habs drafted Mailloux ....

But why Bettman did not sent a clear message to every team that Mailloux was OFF the prospects list and must not be drafted that year ?

The only mature one was Mailloux who clearly asked NOT to be drafted.

 

[Bacchus1]

The vast majority of young men absolutely show their friends these pictures.

If this is true, then it is sad. I would hope that the vast majority would not show media of their intimant moments with others, without the free and knowledgeable consent of all parties involved. i would also hope that people would mature from the need to trade in stories of sexual prowess to gain respect of their peers. But I guess Mailloux demonstrated sn absence of maturity as a young man/teenage. I hope he demonstrates humility and growth going forward, as we netizens practice empathy and hope, and hopefully he will grow into a good young man and earn a respectful career as a hockey player. That is the hope.

I’m also hoping that he challenges for a top 4 spot. Not expected, though. But looking forward to seeing him at training camp competing for it.

The D could be very interesting this year, and especially going forward. I also expecte some trades may have to be made because it looks like we will soon have too much talent deserving playing time.

Go Habs go!

 

[HabzSauce]

I'm no Saint, but as someone who was around this age and still a young man when pictures would be so pixelated you couldn't tell what was really happening, I've never heard of guys doing that that I associated with.

Now, if it were talking about which women they got with and what they might have done, sure, women do that with other women, but none take pictures and then show their buddies.

I'm just guessing here, but seems like you were around a bunch of sad, sad people.

You'd be surprised how common this behaviour is haha

Curious what is the culture like for competitive hockey in MTL? For junior and men's league?

In Ontario where I play, that type of culture was all over the place in hockey - Rep and beyond. Houseleague was chill tho.

Men's league is the same. Lower level is chill, and anything competitive can be toxic depending on what league you're in (ex ASHL lmao)

Even the states had the same culture from what I've seen when playing down there. It's everywhere brah at least in my experience

 

[Nedved]

lots of great hockey talk in this thread.

 

[Belial]

lots of great hockey talk in this thread.

It's the offseason, there's nothing hockey-related to talk about.

 

[Rapala]

Funny you should mention Ramage, I read about him almost daily on this board.

I've seen his history come up in this thread. The other times I've seen him referenced it was for development related quotes etc.

 

[Rapala]

He's 20 so eligible for the AHL right? Probably where he ends up. Team can monitor his behaviour better there. See how the teammates feel about him. If I'm the Habs I sign a veteran to watch him in Laval. Maybe a Derick Brassard if nobody signs him to a PTO. Or Jason Demers.

I don't think we'd waste a contract signing a veteran for this reason. He's toed the line in terms of what the law, the league(s) and his respective teams have asked of him. His "Parole" is over he's a free man and doesn't need to be coddled over this. There are plenty of mature guys in Laval to help with his transition to pro. We also have an entire department called development there is no doubt in my mind they will be on top of things.

 

[rik schau]

Great, looking forward to seeing him at training camp.

Yes! I want to see how he looks with NHL'ers. It's fine and dandy to be impressive among your peers in lesser leagues but until you're up against the best players in the best league,that's where we can see if the cream rises to the top.

(mod edit)

 

[rik schau]

lots of great hockey talk in this thread.

Am I the silly wallaby or does it not say ''hockey talk only'' ?

I suppose it's ok to break the rules in some exceptions,but don't cry when a stupid kid did something stupid,kind of seems hypocritical doesn't it.

 

[Redux91]

Doesn't make it right.

No,
And now he knows that.
And hopefully, many others have learned from this lesson as well

 

[1909]

If this is true, then it is sad. I would hope that the vast majority would not show media of their intimant moments with others, without the free and knowledgeable consent of all parties involved. i would also hope that people would mature from the need to trade in stories of sexual prowess to gain respect of their peers. But I guess Mailloux demonstrated sn absence of maturity as a young man/teenage. I hope he demonstrates humility and growth going forward, as we netizens practice empathy and hope, and hopefully he will grow into a good young man and earn a respectful career as a hockey player. That is the hope.

I’m also hoping that he challenges for a top 4 spot. Not expected, though. But looking forward to seeing him at training camp competing for it.

The D could be very interesting this year, and especially going forward. I also expecte some trades may have to be made because it looks like we will soon have too much talent deserving playing time.

Go Habs go!

Mailloux has LOTS to learn on the defensive side of the game. One full season, at least, at AHL level will help.

 

[Sorinth]

When Mailloux came out publicly and asked that teams not to draft him as he had not earned it I came away impressed. The kid was already trying to take accountability.

Make no mistake, he would have been picked in the 2nd round by someone.

If he was for sure getting drafted then he didn't really take any accountability since it didn't materially change/cost him anything. That said nobody here myself included have any idea if he's learnt anything from everything that's happened, and it's likely we can't really trust anything being said since it's all PR. Hopefully he has learnt from this, some humility would be good for him since he has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to be more then a Beaulieu/MAB type player so it might take several years of riding busses in the AHL to figure out the defensive side of things and make up for all the lost development time.

 

[BLONG7]

Guys.................hockey only!! The kid is going to be a good one.
Talked to an NHL scout just recently, not a habs scout, but anyhow, he says this kid is a sure fire Pro!!
Needs some work in the AHL and wham, he is going to be a good one................

Very nice to hear.
Says his shot is already a pro level shot....