Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Rapala]

What's his best ones?

I think he said he'd fall out of his chair if we didn't draft Slafkovsky.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Imagine trying to ruin your 17 year old teammates life for doing something tons of guys do privately in an attempt to impress his older teammates.

Even if certain players had an issue it should have been handled internally.

Makes me happy knowing he has a legitimate shot at an NHL career while these guys are stuck playing third division hockey in Sweden.

It would interesting to know the size of that group who saw the video.

If it’s relatively small then I think there is at least a case to be made that they could’ve just told him ‘take that shit down, man’.

Least of all to spare the girl in question a TON of embarrassment. Now maybe the girl was ultimately happy to know the truth. But if it was a small group where 3 players stepped forward, how many people actually saw it? Assuming these 3 didn’t watch it. They could’ve told him to take it down where it could’ve all been forgotten quite quickly.

Without knowing all the details, which matter a lot of course, you do have a point. But it really depends on the finer details

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

Just say you hate women and cut to the chase here.

Mailloux was in the wrong and we need more young men in dressing rooms, schools, houses, that will speak up when men are treating women like sex trophys to parade around to their friends.

You can do this by putting your over the kids shoulder and telling him why he shouldn’t have done what he did. By making it public, not only have you tarnished a kids name, but that was what caused national embarrassment for the woman involved.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

You can do this by putting your over the kids shoulder and telling him why he shouldn’t have done what he did. By making it public, not only have you tarnished a kids name, but that was what caused national embarrassment for the woman involved.

It’s all about the finer details but there is absolutely an ethical case to be made that it should’ve been handled internally.

 

[WeThreeKings]

You can do this by putting your over the kids shoulder and telling him why he shouldn’t have done what he did. By making it public, not only have you tarnished a kids name, but that was what caused national embarrassment for the woman involved.

The girl herself had to press charges on the matter.

 

[rve24]

So much for the "only hockey talk thread"
Can..........opened up again.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

The girl herself had to press charges on the matter.

She had to know about it first though. The humiliation was already experienced by her at that point.

All I’m saying it’s worth exploring the other option. At least in public discourse about it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It’s all about the finer details but there is absolutely an ethical case to be made that it should’ve been handled internally.

Maybe - I don't think these things should be handled internally because it doesn't address the issues at all. Hockey culture and other sports cultures, to be fair, have all tried to handle this internally before.

All it does it lead to shit like the HC scandal where rapes were being covered up, people were paid hush money and an entire organization continued to act predatorily and keep the offenders from facing any real reprecussions.

Regardless of the above - the fact that someone would sit here today and try to blame the teammates is just a ludicrous take to have.

The victim is the girl, it always was.. she was the one who consented and had inappropriate photos/videos taken without consent. She was the one who was put on display and shown performing those acts and then had to find out that something was done to her during. Her trust was broken and that will leave a big psychological scar and no doubt will hamper future relationships for her further down the line.

Then she got dragged through it when it became public knowledge. People were calling her predatory for being older than Logan. Calling the issue not a big deal. Attacking her on social media from the other side of the coin.

She had to watch the negative consequences to that be what? Getting his name called on night 1 in round 1 of the draft.

And with everything that followed - He got drafted round 1. He got his ELC. He's cleared to play in the NHL. He got to follow his dreams with the only issues being an OHL suspension, an uncomfortable interview post-draft, and having to take some courses and do some community events.

Logan made the mistake. Not the girl. Not his teammates. His teammates did the right thing by escalating this issue and more men should respond like this. This isn't a fair treatment of anyone. Consent matters and it can be taken away at any time and men need to understand that.

Logan has to own his mistake and has, he's got to follow the path and live out his career and will be able to do so provided he has the talent to do it.. and by all accounts he's done everything asked and more, which means he's not an irredeemable piece of shit like Mitchell Miller. So knowing that we can feel fine that we selected an immature kid who learned a valuable lesson, grew and can do some great work in ensuring this stuff doesn't happen again.

Trying to deflect the matter on anyone but Logan is irresponsible and we have to do better guys, come on.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

You can do this by putting your over the kids shoulder and telling him why he shouldn’t have done what he did. By making it public, not only have you tarnished a kids name, but that was what caused national embarrassment for the woman involved.

He literally committed a crime lol

 

[Rapala]

Just say you hate women and cut to the chase here.

Mailloux was in the wrong and we need more young men in dressing rooms, schools, houses, that will speak up when men are treating women like sex trophys to parade around to their friends.

Teenage bragging about sexual conquest is nothing new it's been around forever. It was just as reprehensible when I was a teen as it is now the difference being hearsay usually didn't get beyond rumor or innuendo. To this day I can't understand the need for someone to talk about or post something so personal and potentially damaging. I also don't get why some people think they are bulletproof when using today's mediums.

 

[WeThreeKings]

He literally committed a crime lol

Exactly.. like if he tried to rob a convenience store, would we be talking about handling it internally?

This sucks because I was one of the biggest people on the board against the selection and I feel like Mailloux has done what he needed to do to continue pursuing his dream (something Mitch Miller hasn't and won't ever do).

But we are doomed to repeat these discussions until collectively, as men, we accept that he committed a crime and he did something awful and that there is no blame to go around here except for Logan.

And I feel confident saying that because I'm certain if Logan saw this, he'd say the same thing.

 

[YukonCornelius 5thOA]

Teenage bragging about sexual conquest is nothing new it's been around forever. It was just as reprehensible when I was a teen as it is now the difference being hearsay usually didn't get beyond rumor or innuendo. To this day I can't understand the need for someone to talk about or post something so personal and potentially damaging. I also don't get why some people think they are bulletproof when using today's mediuums.

Darwinism?

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

He literally committed a crime lol

And in some states she did too lol

 

[WeThreeKings]

And in some states she did too lol

And this is what I'm talking about..

Do you feel f***ing good saying shit like that?

 

[Tyson]

He literally committed a crime lol

He did and was convicted. Move on

 

[WeThreeKings]

He did and was convicted. Move on

We are trying to but do you think it an appropriate thing, given what Logan's 'consequences' ultimately were that we just let someone bring the situation back up and put the blame on his teammates for bringing it to the attention of adults better capable of handling the crime?

Or that it is cool to let someone come in here and victim blame and try to make it look like Logan was equally a victim?

I don't think we should move on from those comments. Logan would tell you not to either. That's what his seminars and community outreach is about..

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

And this is what I'm talking about..

Do you feel f***ing good saying shit like that?

Look man, what Logan did was wrong. But what makes our society better is teaching people what’s right. And how this was handled was wrong as well. Logan appears mature enough now where this can be not only a teachable moment for him but for perhaps others who hear of it.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Look man, what Logan did was wrong. But what makes our society better is teaching people what’s right. And how this was handled was wrong as well. Logan appears mature enough now where this can be not only a teachable moment for him but for perhaps others who hear of it.

It was handled correctly.

The kids he showed the pictures to went to a position of authority and let them know that Logan was sharing non-consensual pictures of a sexual encounter with the team.

They brought it up the chain and it was handled through the justice system.

Letting it be handled internally is not the right way because that's how it's been handled up until the cultural shift recently and all you need to do is look at Hockey Canada to understand what happens when things are left to be handled internally.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

He did and was convicted. Move on

I am not concerned at all, he took his punishment and seems to be a better person after this experience

But to suggest it should be handled internally and not made public just because he’s an athlete is insane, would the average person get a pass? Definitely not

 

[HuGort]

Your bad vibe is based on nothing.....there is absolutely zero chance that he is not allowed to play when the Habs decide that he is ready.

Attitude though, either that or he's not very bright. Yes, we all that stuff with women. But I got more sense that take a picture of her and show people.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It was handled correctly.

The kids he showed the pictures to went to a position of authority and let them know that Logan was sharing non-consensual pictures of a sexual encounter with the team.

They brought it up the chain and it was handled through the justice system.

Letting it be handled internally is not the right way because that's how it's been handled up until the cultural shift recently and all you need to do is look at Hockey Canada to understand what happens when things are left to be handled internally.

It was not handled correctly, that is a fact, if it was handled correctly the woman would never have been embarrassed nationally.

 

[WeThreeKings]

It was not handled correctly, that is a fact, if it was handled correctly the woman would never have been embarrassed nationally.

You're right.. the teammates should have said "oh Logan don't show us that" and then he could have not learned the lesson and continued taking more photos without consent and sharing them with more people.

Should have just handed it off to HC and let them deal with it. No one ever got raped again after they hid it and paid for it to go away.

Also the girl was not embarrassed - nothing she did was wrong. She naturally got put into the spotlight because of what happened to her. But frankly, she's brave for actually not letting this get swept under the rug. Your use of language pretty much smoke signals what you truly think here.

 

[shamrun]

So much for the "only hockey talk thread"
Can..........opened up again.

That will never happen for this player. Unfortunately he will probably have that with him for a while. In terms of him as a player every highlight i see he looks amazing. I dont know if the OHL is too easy for him. Hee looks smooth. Like petry smooth. I think our defense is going to be very mobile and good. Makes sense why we moved romanov.

 

[WeThreeKings]

That will never happen for this player. Unfortunately he will probably have that with him for a while. In terms of him as a player every highlight i see he looks amazing. I dont know if the OHL is too easy for him. Hee looks smooth. Like petry smooth. I think our defense is going to be very mobile and good. Makes sense why we moved romanov.

He's a highlight reel player but on both sides.

Defensively he has a lot and I mean a lot of work to do.

He was average at best defensively in the OHL.

 

[red devil]

You're right.. the teammates should have said "oh Logan don't show us that" and then he could have not learned the lesson and continued taking more photos without consent and sharing them with more people.

Should have just handed it off to HC and let them deal with it. No one ever got raped again after they hid it and paid for it to go away.

Also the girl was not embarrassed - nothing she did was wrong. She naturally got put into the spotlight because of what happened to her. But frankly, she's brave for actually not letting this get swept under the rug. Your use of language pretty much smoke signals what you truly think here.

Based on the Daily Face-off article that details the report, she confronted Mailloux and his teammates as rumour started to spread around town of the picture. It doesn't report they went to the authorities to file the police report.