Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[ZUKI]

You can do this by putting your over the kids shoulder and telling him why he shouldn’t have done what he did. By making it public, not only have you tarnished a kids name, but that was what caused national embarrassment for the woman involved.

National embarrassment for the girl ? come on ! the pic that he shared just showed her hairs and a part of her shoulder. And this sad story has happened in SWEDEN probably the country the most liberated about sexuality in the world. She made a bl**j** ? oh, as all the women have done in the country . Big deal.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

You're right.. the teammates should have said "oh Logan don't show us that" and then he could have not learned the lesson and continued taking more photos without consent and sharing them with more people.

Should have just handed it off to HC and let them deal with it. No one ever got raped again after they hid it and paid for it to go away.

Also the girl was not embarrassed - nothing she did was wrong. She naturally got put into the spotlight because of what happened to her. But frankly, she's brave for actually not letting this get swept under the rug. Your use of language pretty much smoke signals what you truly think here.

Smoke signals? Is that like a dog whistle? I truly don’t know what you think I think, so am admittedly curious

 

[dcyhabs]

And in some states she did too lol

Some states are nuts and the US justice system isn’t (just that is). The laws on the books are mostly to allow bullying in those states, and will never be applied to rich white men.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Smoke signals? Is that like a dog whistle? I truly don’t know what you think I think, so am admittedly curious

It's pretty obvious.

Just today you:

• Put the blame on the teammates
• Said that sex crimes being reported to authorities is handled incorrectly (so much so that it's a fact).
• Said she committed a crime in some other states.

I think the only thing you've missed here is explicitly downplaying the action itself.. but I think it's pretty clear that you don't think it warranted any attention, hence the desire to think it should have been handled internally with the team, and since you threw it back on her that doubles down on that.

 

[Price is Wright]

He's 20 so eligible for the AHL right? Probably where he ends up. Team can monitor his behaviour better there. See how the teammates feel about him. If I'm the Habs I sign a veteran to watch him in Laval. Maybe a Derick Brassard if nobody signs him to a PTO. Or Jason Demers.

 

[shamrun]

He's a highlight reel player but on both sides.

Defensively he has a lot and I mean a lot of work to do.

He was average at best defensively in the OHL.

I might take an average dmen in the nhl if he can be exceptional offensively. Its a big if and admit it.

 

[Big Lurk]

So it's his teammates faults, amirite?

Jesus f***ing christ

Kind of weird that RDS is not covering Bettman's decision to reinstate the boy.
For christs sake the article on the front page is about Peter Holland receiving a PTO from Colorado lmao

 

[Yoor]

Are we still talking about the "incident" in here? gimme a break...If I understand this correctly no one was assaulted or forced to do anything against their will, poor decision about taking the pic in the first place, but I mean the kid served his punishment so to speak, I am sure the girl has moved on by now. Sure seems like some people won't be happy until the kids life is ruined forever.

The virtue signaling in here is gross. I am sure someone will be along to tell me how wrong I am though and how under outraged I am...

I hope this kid proves all his critics wrong and I truly hope that he learned from his stupid lack of judgement and even becomes a good role model as a professional athlete.

 

[Big Lurk]

Edit : not hockey related, im deleting this post. Onward.

 

[Tyson]

I am not concerned at all, he took his punishment and seems to be a better person after this experience

But to suggest it should be handled internally and not made public just because he’s an athlete is insane, would the average person get a pass? Definitely not

The only issue I have is that he was a minor at the time and it should not have been made public based on that. I hope he sincerely apologized to that young woman. She didn't deserve the humiliation.

 

[Sam I Am]

Kind of weird that RDS is not covering Bettman's decision to reinstate the boy.
For christs sake the article on the front page is about Peter Holland receiving a PTO from Colorado lmao

Neither RDS nor any other major news service has written anything about it because there has yet to an official statement from the league or the team about Mailloux's reinstatement. Citing Renaud Lavoie's unnamed sources secondhand is not enough to go on.

 

[Sam I Am]

Neither RDS nor any other major news service has written anything about it because there has yet to an official statement from the league or the team about Mailloux's reinstatement. Citing Renaud Lavoie's unnamed sources secondhand is not enough to go on.

Sportsnet just ran the story. Not clear how it was confirmed.

Canadiens prospect Logan Mailloux has eligibility restored to play in NHL

Montreal Canadiens prospect Logan Mailoux will be eligible to play in the NHL if he were to make the roster out of training camp, Sportsnet can confirm.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[1909]

He's 20 so eligible for the AHL right? Probably where he ends up. Team can monitor his behaviour better there. See how the teammates feel about him. If I'm the Habs I sign a veteran to watch him in Laval. Maybe a Derick Brassard if nobody signs him to a PTO. Or Jason Demers.

He does not need that. Mailloux has went thru many many sessions with specialists, and has given speech in schools about his error. He is probably more mature now than most NHL players.

 

[MXD]

Are we still talking about the "incident" in here? gimme a break...If I understand this correctly no one was assaulted or forced to do anything against their will, poor decision about taking the pic in the first place, but I mean the kid served his punishment so to speak, I am sure the girl has moved on by now. Sure seems like some people won't be happy until the kids life is ruined forever.

The virtue signaling in here is gross. I am sure someone will be along to tell me how wrong I am though and how under outraged I am...

I hope this kid proves all his critics wrong and I truly hope that he learned from his stupid lack of judgement and even becomes a good role model as a professional athlete.

... You probably missed the fact that people were now blaming his teammates.

Neither RDS nor any other major news service has written anything about it because there has yet to an official statement from the league or the team about Mailloux's reinstatement. Citing Renaud Lavoie's unnamed sources secondhand is not enough to go on.

Not to mention, I don't think RDS would quote Renauld Lavoie unironically.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Are we still talking about the "incident" in here? gimme a break...If I understand this correctly no one was assaulted or forced to do anything against their will, poor decision about taking the pic in the first place, but I mean the kid served his punishment so to speak, I am sure the girl has moved on by now. Sure seems like some people won't be happy until the kids life is ruined forever.

The virtue signaling in here is gross. I am sure someone will be along to tell me how wrong I am though and how under outraged I am...

I hope this kid proves all his critics wrong and I truly hope that he learned from his stupid lack of judgement and even becomes a good role model as a professional athlete.

We weren't until someone put the blame on his teammates.

We all want to move on because Logan has proven that he's learned from what he did and has been reinstated/done everything he was asked to do and more.

But we can't sit here and let terrible takes regarding sex crimes go untouched. He committed a crime. It went through the justice system. We know everything that happened after the selection by Bergevin and we stand here today ready to move on.

Just don't excuse a sex crime and don't blame anyone other than Logan and the topic will remain hockey focused. Really simple.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

The only issue I have is that he was a minor at the time and it should not have been made public based on that. I hope he sincerely apologized to that young woman. She didn't deserve the humiliation.

You know what, I agree actually
Good talk

 

[MXD]

We weren't until someone put the blame on his teammates.

We all want to move on because Logan has proven that he's learned from what he did and has been reinstated/done everything he was asked to do and more.

But we can't sit here and let terrible takes regarding sex crimes go untouched. He committed a crime. It went through the justice system. We know everything that happened after the selection by Bergevin and we stand here today ready to move on.

Just don't excuse a sex crime and don't blame anyone other than Logan and the topic will remain hockey focused. Really simple.

I think blaming the culture is totally not off-limits... But that was obviously not the point behind made here.

 

[HabzSauce]

We weren't until someone put the blame on his teammates.

We all want to move on because Logan has proven that he's learned from what he did and has been reinstated/done everything he was asked to do and more.

But we can't sit here and let terrible takes regarding sex crimes go untouched. He committed a crime. It went through the justice system. We know everything that happened after the selection by Bergevin and we stand here today ready to move on.

Just don't excuse a sex crime and don't blame anyone other than Logan and the topic will remain hockey focused. Really simple.

If his teammates actually did report him to the authorities, why couldn't they just handle that internally? Is that really such a hot take to bring up?

Making things like this public normally does more harm than good in my opinion.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Maybe - I don't think these things should be handled internally because it doesn't address the issues at all. Hockey culture and other sports cultures, to be fair, have all tried to handle this internally before.

All it does it lead to shit like the HC scandal where rapes were being covered up, people were paid hush money and an entire organization continued to act predatorily and keep the offenders from facing any real reprecussions.

Regardless of the above - the fact that someone would sit here today and try to blame the teammates is just a ludicrous take to have.

The victim is the girl, it always was.. she was the one who consented and had inappropriate photos/videos taken without consent. She was the one who was put on display and shown performing those acts and then had to find out that something was done to her during. Her trust was broken and that will leave a big psychological scar and no doubt will hamper future relationships for her further down the line.

Then she got dragged through it when it became public knowledge. People were calling her predatory for being older than Logan. Calling the issue not a big deal. Attacking her on social media from the other side of the coin.

She had to watch the negative consequences to that be what? Getting his name called on night 1 in round 1 of the draft.

And with everything that followed - He got drafted round 1. He got his ELC. He's cleared to play in the NHL. He got to follow his dreams with the only issues being an OHL suspension, an uncomfortable interview post-draft, and having to take some courses and do some community events.

Logan made the mistake. Not the girl. Not his teammates. His teammates did the right thing by escalating this issue and more men should respond like this. This isn't a fair treatment of anyone. Consent matters and it can be taken away at any time and men need to understand that.

Logan has to own his mistake and has, he's got to follow the path and live out his career and will be able to do so provided he has the talent to do it.. and by all accounts he's done everything asked and more, which means he's not an irredeemable piece of shit like Mitchell Miller. So knowing that we can feel fine that we selected an immature kid who learned a valuable lesson, grew and can do some great work in ensuring this stuff doesn't happen again.

Trying to deflect the matter on anyone but Logan is irresponsible and we have to do better guys, come on.

Well that’s a good point about him facing consequences that might help in squashing that kind of stuff.

I’m not saying the players are to blame per we and excusing Mailloux’s actions out right. I’ve actually been more victim-centric in my arguments. But I know you’re addressing more people than me.

Like I said it all depends on the finer details that we likely will never know. Was this not the first case of him doing certain things? Etc. etc.

Mailloux shouldn’t have done it. Let’s get that straight. I don’t think it especially heinous with the context we’re given but it was wrong.

Now the 3 players in question have a decision to make. Did they feel that they couldn’t have took him aside and tell him ‘listen bud. We don’t take this stuff lightly here. We don’t like that shit’ and so on and so forth.

Had I been in there position I would very well likely taken it on myself. Depending on the age of these 3 players. If I had a 17 year old kid from another country doing that I’d take him aside and let him know. I don’t think I’d jump right to ‘you’re going to get charged for this’. A lot depends on if this wasn’t the first occurrence though too. And again lots of other finer details

I’m saying it’s worth a discussion because it’s an important issue. And again more importantly a woman’s humiliation and well being is at stake. I would be extremely pissed that Logan dragged me into this situation but I’d also have to realize that I want to make the right decision for the sake of the woman in question most importantly. And now that responsibility is unfortunately on my shoulders.

I’m trying to show the shades of grey here. That’s the essence of ethics and morality. And I think it is crucial for a healthy society to discuss these things dispassionately

 

[Treal]

He's 20 so eligible for the AHL right? Probably where he ends up. Team can monitor his behaviour better there. See how the teammates feel about him. If I'm the Habs I sign a veteran to watch him in Laval. Maybe a Derick Brassard if nobody signs him to a PTO. Or Jason Demers.

Or a Chris Wideman

 

[WeThreeKings]

If his teammates actually did report him to the authorities, why couldn't they just handle that internally? Is that really such a hot take to bring up?

Making things like this public normally does more harm than good in my opinion.

I don't know exactly how the entire thing unfolded but it's possible they brought it up to the coach, or someone they obviously trusted. I don't think/know they went to the cops right away or would know that it was a line that was criminal.

They aren't at fault for going to someone and letting it be known what was being shared without consent and no one should try to paint them with that brush.

They are good kids who did the right thing by not letting it persist. I know I've been around conversations like that when I was younger and not doing anything about it. When we didn't do anything about it.. the behavior didn't stop.

And what I've been trying to say is that the way these things generally get handled internally in sports is burying shit. We have the Hockey Canada scandals fresh and ongoing to know that really handling things like this without escalating it and putting attention on these toxic and criminal behaviors - they are doomed to be repeated.

Outside of this incident in Sweden for Mailloux and the hazing stuff that finally got exposed, then the racism being exposed by Akim Aliu.. all of that stuff persisted and festered. Hockey is cleaning up more and more because of these small wins.

Let's be real the tone of the guy saying those were bad teammates were because that's a guy who doesn't take any issue with what Mailloux did and thought it was a violation of 'bro code' to actually do anything about it.

 

[MXD]

If his teammates actually did report him to the authorities, why couldn't they just handle that internally? Is that really such a hot take to bring up?

Making things like this public normally does more harm than good in my opinion.

Because that's a crime and because what Mailloux did went against their values? I mean, that's a very easy answer. Maybe the woman and one of the players were also related in some way?

Mailloux kinda grew in a culture which accepted those things; apparently, his former teammates didn't, hence why they acted that way.

The only issue I have is that he was a minor at the time and it should not have been made public based on that. I hope he sincerely apologized to that young woman. She didn't deserve the humiliation.

That's a perfectly reasonable take.
I'd also add that, had he did this in Canada, the likelier outcome is that nothing happens.

 

[dcyhabs]

National embarrassment for the girl ? come on ! the pic that he shared just showed her hairs and a part of her shoulder. And this sad story has happened in SWEDEN probably the country the most liberated about sexuality in the world. She made a bl**j** ? oh, as all the women have done in the country . Big deal.

The embarrassment was more about the quality of the guy and not on how specifically she was interacting with him. It's not what she did, it's who she did it with. Shamefully bad partner selection.

He wasn't fined for the act, he was fined because of what he posted that got to the internet. I thought he'd mistakenly posted more publicly than he meant to, like to "private" space that wasn't obviously visible to the internet but wasn't really blocked, either. In any case his photos reportedly made it to the internet.

The action was more rude and thoughtless than actually criminal, and that is why he payed a fine and was embarrassed instead of doing jail time. Sweden has fairly sane laws that are applied pretty universally. The NHL, and other American hockey leagues have recurring issues at least in part because of less sane local laws and enforcement that prioritize rich, white, athletic boys over women.

The world cup of soccer brought up a whole host of inequality issues in a whole bunch of countries, most of the countries involved really. Most players had problems getting paid, many had predatory or abusive coaches... Seems it's not limited to the Amercian gymnasts.

In Mailloux's case it seems to have been handled reasonably. Mailloux was made to regret his actions without major harm, the girl got some compensation though she did not accept his apology and is understandably unhappy, lots of athletes got a warning about doing stupid stuff, and Mailloux is cleared to play so it's pretty much done with.

 

[salbutera]

To bad, even if this kid turns into a star, his life will be forever plagued by a stupid alpha testosterone move.

We live in a society with a 5-min attention span

I’m being generous with 5-min…

 

[MasterD]

But to suggest it should be handled internally and not made public just because he’s an athlete is insane, would the average person get a pass? Definitely not

This type of shit happens pretty much daily, and often, OFTEN, is handled within school boundaries and/or between families. Out of court. For multiple reasons, including the victim doesn't want everyone to know.

Also, Mailloux was a minor and we shouldn't even know about it.

Let's all move on to appreciate the beast he is on the ice, and let the keyboard warriors argue with themselves.