Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Guys.................hockey only!! The kid is going to be a good one.
Talked to an NHL scout just recently, not a habs scout, but anyhow, he says this kid is a sure fire Pro!!
Needs some work in the AHL and wham, he is going to be a good one................

Very nice to hear.
Says his shot is already a pro level shot....

His shot is truly evil. The one timer and wrister are high end elite. Offensive upside is sky high. As much as his D is a question mark, his skill is too high to keep him from the bigs. I think it’s all workable.

I’ve been a bit cool on him but all in all I think he could be a difference maker

 

[ZUKI]

His shot is truly evil. The one timer and wrister are high end elite. Offensive upside is sky high. As much as his D is a question mark, his skill is too high to keep him from the bigs. I think it’s all workable.

I’ve been a bit cool on him but all in all I think he could be a difference maker

He was better defensively at the end of the season. The fact that he nearly didn’t play for 2 years didn’t help him. He won’t became a defensive star but he isn’t that bad

 

[1909]

The kid is already able to give interviews in French. He,s gonna be a fans favourite in Laval, and pretty soon (next season) , in MTL with the Habs.

 

[CharleyHorse]

If he was for sure getting drafted then he didn't really take any accountability since it didn't materially change/cost him anything. That said nobody here myself included have any idea if he's learnt anything from everything that's happened, and it's likely we can't really trust anything being said since it's all PR. Hopefully he has learnt from this, some humility would be good for him since he has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to be more then a Beaulieu/MAB type player so it might take several years of riding busses in the AHL to figure out the defensive side of things and make up for all the lost development time.

Nope, you cant get there from here:

When Mailloux came out publicly and asked that teams not to draft him as he had not earned it I came away impressed. The kid was already trying to take accountability.

Make no mistake, he would have been picked in the 2nd round by someone.

Maillioux could not have known he would be drafted against his wishes. Saying otherwise, in the absence of evidence, is mere speculation. Had his wishes been respected, he would have lost at least 1 year of whatever salary he will be earning - I am certain there is a cost associated with that.

 

[KevSkillz4]

I said that when Habs drafted him, this guy is too much talented to don't become a good one. Everyone who liked P.K. Subban, going to really like Logan Mailloux aswell. He is a monster at offensive zone, great hands, great shot, great skating, the only thing he needs to work is in his defensive, but he can work on that. The rest is very very good, we can all hope big things for him. I'm hype on him since the draft!

 

[rve24]

That said nobody here myself included have any idea if he's learnt anything from everything that's happened, and it's likely we can't really trust anything being said since it's all PR. Hopefully he has learnt from this, some humility would be good for him since he has a lot of work ahead of him if he wants to be more then a Beaulieu/MAB type player

He has shown humility.

And maybe, just maybe some on here do know if he has learnt anything from what's happened. And what he has gone thru to step up. Maybe they know people involved in the process as well.
SW Ont is a small tight hockey community.

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

Nope, you cant get there from here:



Maillioux could not have known he would be drafted against his wishes. Saying otherwise, in the absence of evidence, is mere speculation. Had his wishes been respected, he would have lost at least 1 year of whatever salary he will be earning - I am certain there is a cost associated with that.

No one said Mailloux would know it but it has been reported that there were teams who would have taken him in the 2nd round.

 

[Scriptor]

What's the worst case scenario for Mailloux? He slots in as a 3rd pairing RHD (to shelter the defensive liabilities) who quarterbacks a PP wave when Hutson is not on the ice, so he doesn't get confused by his own team mate?

Pair him with Guhle on a second pairing, to, again, shelter his defensive weakness?

Use him when you are down a goal in the dying minutes of a game?

I'm really eager to find out how Mailloux ends up as an NHLer?

Along with Guhle and Caufield, Mailloux can be an excellent gift to Hughes from the previous Bergevin-Timmins wonder twins, along with Suzuki as the return for Patio-ready and the signing of free agent, undrafted Xhekaj.

Hughes' mark on the team will be signing Caufield long term and adding Slafkovsky, plus Reinbacher at the draft and trading for Dach, Newhook, Monahan and Matheson.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Along with the those identified ‘gifts’ that Bergevin bequeathed Hughes, he also inherited the liabilities of a slew of horrible long term contracts ( Gallagher, Armia and Hoffman). Hughes’ ultimate legacy will be adjudged as much on the players he acquires through the draft and by trades as his ability to shed those improvident contracts that are so severely limiting his efforts and options in rebuilding this team.

 

[BLONG7]

What's the worst case scenario for Mailloux? He slots in as a 3rd pairing RHD (to shelter the defensive liabilities) who quarterbacks a PP wave when Hutson is not on the ice, so he doesn't get confused by his own team mate?

Pair him with Guhle on a second pairing, to, again, shelter his defensive weakness?

Use him when you are down a goal in the dying minutes of a game?

I'm really eager to find out how Mailloux ends up as an NHLer?

Along with Guhle and Caufield, Mailloux can be an excellent gift to Hughes from the previous Bergevin-Timmins wonder twins, along with Suzuki as the return for Patio-ready and the signing of free agent, undrafted Xhekaj.

Hughes' mark on the team will be signing Caufield long term and adding Slafkovsky, plus Reinbacher at the draft and trading for Dach, Newhook, Monahan and Matheson.

So far, Hughes has adapted quite well, all the while being a mess of a situation with the cap....

As for Mailloux one would think, he will be better served as a #1 guy on D in the AHL.....zero reasons to rush this kid.

 

[Sterling Archer]

I'm not worried about Mailloux's defensive ability. You can teach defence but it's much harder to teach offence, which he already excels at. He's also worked really hard in the face of his punishment to prove himself so hopefully those work habits will stick and he'll continue to progress for the years to come to round out his game. He won't start in the NHL barring a ton of injuries but should get ample minutes in Laval and put as many miles under his belt to continue to develop. I can see him having a better 2nd half of the year once he earns his ice time and gets comfortable in a mans league and see him push for a roster spot next year with Reinbacher, Hutson and possibly Engstrom. It's going to be a fun year between now and then and there should be a lot of change on the backend coming to make room for the kids as they push forward. The exiting D should be motivated to play hard so they don't lose their spots. I expect the D to be much better now and in the years to come!

 

[Vachon23]

. You can tech defence

That’s not 100 % true. You can teach some minor details, but with Mailloux is hockey IQ seem to be deficient and that’s something you can’t really teach. I saw him to many times just being so lost on in the Dzone

 

[Sterling Archer]

That’s not 100 % true. You can teach some minor details, but with Mailloux is hockey IQ seem to be deficient and that’s something you can’t really teach. I saw him to many times just being so lost on in the Dzone

Defense is much easier to teach than offense which is more instinctual. Defence is about coverage and placement on the ice,

Now if a player isn't mentally capable of accepting the direction, that's another story. But all things being equal, defense can be taught significantly easier than scoring goals and generating offence can.

 

[Rapala]

That’s not 100 % true. You can teach some minor details, but with Mailloux is hockey IQ seem to be deficient and that’s something you can’t really teach. I saw him to many times just being so lost on in the Dzone

He's going to need the right partner to help keep him in position. What I noted about Mailloux was his confusion when he would find himself in the wrong spots. All defencemen will get caught out place the difference being the good ones are quick to correct their errors. What I saw with Logan was he wasn't reacting without having to think about it and of course it was too late once he did. Better simplified positional play will help this guy.

 

[ZUKI]

Along with the those identified ‘gifts’ that Bergevin bequeathed Hughes, he also inherited the liabilities of a slew of horrible long term contracts ( Gallagher, Armia and Hoffman). Hughes’ ultimate legacy will be adjudged as much on the players he acquires through the draft and by trades as his ability to shed those improvident contracts that are so severely limiting his efforts and options in rebuilding this team.

I am not with you with this one. See, Hoffman isn’t a Hab anymore and we got a 2nd in the process. That left Gallagher and Armia. The first could be difficult to move , no doubt. But he’s still a good player to keep around the young players. Every teams have bad contract(s) at least it’s about money here , not about a cancer for the team.

About Armia, he didn’t show anything last season , but if Hughes wants to move him, he has options (AHL,wave, buyout and trade). I don’t think that it’s impossible and absolutely not « so limiting severely the rebuild « as you said.

We will see later but it won’t be a surprise for me if Armia isn’t a Hab anymore at the mid season.

 

[ZUKI]

That’s not 100 % true. You can teach some minor details, but with Mailloux is hockey IQ seem to be deficient and that’s something you can’t really teach. I saw him to many times just being so lost on in the ice

the kid nearly didn’t play for 2 years and yet you are talking about his hockey IQ.. come on!

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I am not with you with this one. See, Hoffman isn’t a Hab anymore and we got a 2nd in the process. That left Gallagher and Armia. The first could be difficult to move , no doubt. But he’s still a good player to keep around the young players. Every teams have bad contract(s) at least it’s about money here , not about a cancer for the team.

About Armia, he didn’t show anything last season , but if Hughes wants to move him, he has options (AHL,wave, buyout and trade). I don’t think that it’s impossible and absolutely not « so limiting severely the rebuild « as you said.

We will see later but it won’t be a surprise for me if Armia isn’t a Hab anymore at the mid season.

Well, the reason Hoffman isn’t a Hab anymore is that Hughes was able to orchestrate an excellent transaction involving many moving parts that successfully undid Bergevin’s ineptness in signing Hoffman in the first place. I suspect ridding ourseives of Gallagher’s and Armia’s contracts will prove to be a more daunting task. Hughes’ success in this regard will, as I previously noted, impact Hughes’ legacy and the success of his efforts to re-build this storied franchise.

 

[salbutera]

I'm not worried about Mailloux's defensive ability. You can teach defence but it's much harder to teach offence, which he already excels at. He's also worked really hard in the face of his punishment to prove himself so hopefully those work habits will stick and he'll continue to progress for the years to come to round out his game. He won't start in the NHL barring a ton of injuries but should get ample minutes in Laval and put as many miles under his belt to continue to develop. I can see him having a better 2nd half of the year once he earns his ice time and gets comfortable in a mans league and see him push for a roster spot next year with Reinbacher, Hutson and possibly Engstrom. It's going to be a fun year between now and then and there should be a lot of change on the backend coming to make room for the kids as they push forward. The exiting D should be motivated to play hard so they don't lose their spots. I expect the D to be much better now and in the years to come!

Not for Dman it isn’t….

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

the kid nearly didn’t play for 2 years and yet you are talking about his hockey IQ.. come on!

He has demonstrated some poor decisions on the ice and maybe it is an IQ issue and maybe it is an experience issue or perhaps a combination of the two. For the same reason that you can not claim that it is not an issue, you can not claim that is an issue.

We will know a lot more about him as this season progresses.

 

[Belial]

He has demonstrated some poor decisions on the ice and maybe it is an IQ issue and maybe it is an experience issue or perhaps a combination of the two. For the same reason that you can not claim that it is not an issue, you can not claim that is an issue.

We will know a lot more about him as this season progresses.

Hunter was playing him 30 minutes a game down the road...I really doubt he would've got those kinds of minutes if he was horrendous defensively.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Hunter was playing him 30 minutes a game down the road...I really doubt he would've got those kinds of minutes if he was horrendous defensively.

I never made any such claim and the Hunter's hardly have a glowing history of developing great NHL dmen. Outside of Carlson and Bouchard, every other highly touted dmen has fallen short of expectations under the Hunters for the last 3 decades and Carlson and Bouchard likely would have developed just as well without the Hunters. Mailloux absolutely showed improvement as the season progressed but he still was making too many poor decisions for a top NHL prospect even though he can get away with it at the junior level.

I have no idea how he will look at camp and to begin the season with Laval but there were very obvious signs that he still has plenty to learn as all dmen leaving the CHL do. Due to his skating, size and strength advantages in the OHL he was a top dman but the errors that he was making will cost him at the next level until he figures out how to defend properly. Nathan Beaulieu played huge minutes with the Memorial Cup champs in Saint John but his IQ was/is brutal so using such arguments as an example of competency is an egregiously flawed approach to answering this question.

I am only saying that I don't know where his IQ is at because of his lack of experience and immense physical advantages thus far. Anyone stating that he is either brilliant or dumb on the ice is simply engaging in ill informed hyperbolic rhetoric.

 

[Belial]

I never made any such claim and the Hunter's hardly have a glowing history of developing great NHL dmen. Mailloux absolutely showed improvement as the season progressed but he still was making too many poor decisions for a top NHL prospect even though he can get away with it at the junior level.

I have no idea how he will look at camp and to begin the season with Laval but there were very obvious signs that he still has plenty to learn as all dmen leaving the CHL do. Due to his skating, size and strength advantages in the OHL he was a top dman but the errors that he was making will cost him at the next level until he figures out how to defend properly. Nathan Beaulieu played huge minutes with the Memorial Cup champs in Saint John but his IQ was/is brutal so using such arguments as an example of competency is an egregiously flawed approach to answering this question.

I am only saying that I don't know where his IQ is at because of his lack of experience and immense physical advantages thus far. Anyone stating that he is either brilliant or dumb on the ice is simply engaging in ill informed hyperbolic rhetoric.

I just think this "He's horrendous defensively" mantra is pure exaggeration.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I just think this "He's horrendous defensively" mantra is pure exaggeration.

Agreed but that certainly is not my description of his current game. He was horrendous defensively when he first came to London but has made huge improvements and it remains to be seen how well he will adapt at the next level.

 

[Belial]

Agreed but that certainly is not my description of his current game. He was horrendous defensively when he first came to London but has made huge improvements and it remains to be seen how well he will adapt at the next level.

Honestly, it wouldn't be crazy seeing him beat Barron, Kovacevic, and Lindstrom during the camp.

I still see him starting in Laval though.

NHL contracts oblige...

 

[Sterling Archer]

Not for Dman it isn’t….

I disagree.