Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

Estimated_Prophet

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There’s no shortage of exaggerated mantra on this site as the presumptive power of the consensus works both in favour and, at times, against discussed players. Mailloux is an instructive lesson as to the deceptive powers of mob thinking. We have a 6’ 3” 210 lbs defenceman with a supposed mean streak ( whatever that means) and many here believe and repeat the mantra that we have an imposing physical defence arriving: a verifiable Chris Pronger. Nothing could be 'wronger' (pardon the unfortunate rhyme). Keep repeating that misconception and it eventually becomes the accepted consensus. This phenomenon also works in the negative. Reading some posts here, there’s a growing segment of posters who now believe and are willing to parrot the idea that Mailloux would have difficulty effectively playing defence in house league hockey. Ahh, the ever present consensus.

In my position as a manager of a large amateur sport organization I often have to deal with troubled, minor aged athletes who commit acts that constitute criminal offences. Some of these kids come from broken homes or have/face developmental/ social challenges. So I was intrigued why Montreal was prepared to accept the all to be expected social/ public reaction and fury in drafting this self- confessed offender in the first round. So I did what everyone should have done, I did my research and avoided the opinions of the ever present talking heads and the moralists. I had my staff search and locate every video they could find of Mailloux being interviewed and playing both in Canada and overseas during COVID. I quickly determined that Mailloux was not the typical kid that I usually deal with who has committed a disciplinary transgression or even a criminal act. The interviews I watched disclosed a young man who was highly articulate and was very intelligent. The videos of Mailloux playing also confirmed that we had drafted a player who had a number of intriguing skills and traits: size, above average skating, great shot and near élite offensive vision for a player of his age. It was then that I decided to follow this player as he transitioned from minor hockey to junior (OHL) hockey. I tried to watch every video of Mailloux playing for London and saw him play in person on several occasions when I was in a city at the same time the Knights were playing. My many posts on this thread are a reflection of my efforts to gain an accurate perspective of this young player’s development.

I will repeat my previous assessment, as nothing that I have seen has changed same: 1) Mailloux will never be an overly physical defenceman, it is not his game. 2) Mailloux is not an elite skater as he lacks quickness and first step acceleration. He possesses excellent straight forward speed once he gets going and has acceptable lateral skating ability. 3) Mailloux has to gain core strength and add at least 10 pounds of muscle mass to be an effective player in the NHL as he had problems physically controlling larger opposing forwards in the OHL; 4) Mailloux has to greatly improve his game conditioning to play in the pros, at any level. Being away from the game for almost two years adversely impacted his stamina levels. 5) Mailloux possess elite offensive skills and vision. He sees the ice extremely well in the offensive zone; has excellent hand skills; has a range of shots that are already top NHL level and has a first pass that is the best that I have seen in a Montreal prospect since Subban and Chelios before him. His first pass is hard, flat and has laser like precision. In London, few of Mailloux’s teammates could successfully receive those Mahommes like passes. That won’t be the case when he’s passing to Suzuki, Caufield, etc. As I previously commented, Mailloux already has a better first pass than all current Montreal defenceman. 6) Mailloux’s defensive game remains a work in progress. From the games that I watched, Mailloux doesn’t have a natural defensive inclination. It is the exact opposite to Reinbacher’s defensive approach. Mailloux is often caught in between either closing the gap on an opposing forward or angling the forward towards a less threatening area of the ice. Mailloux relies on stick checks way too much and often looks like he’s playing ball hockey in his stationary efforts to block opposing forwards' passes and shots instead of aggressively attacking the opponent. Its in his defensive game where you can really see the missing two years of development. How his defensive game develops over the next few years will determine if Montreal drafted a star defenceman or just another in a long line of one-dimensional defencemen.

I remain confident that Mailloux will play in the NHL , and play well, whether for Montreal or some other team if we are foolish enough to trade him.

Just my thoughts.

Thanks for taking the time to share that with us. I agree with most of what you are saying but disagree about his skating as he is a strong skater in all regards including his quickness and acceleration. It is a common illusion with bigger players that they are not moving as quickly from a stop as shorter players due to their longer stride but they are often moving just as fast or faster. Smaller players are more agile in their first three steps due to their lower center of gravity but are not necessarily covering more linear ground.

As far as the physical side goes Mailloux does have a mean streak and I suspect you will see more of it in the NHL when he makes it there. We have all seen him lay a big hit or cross check when he is pissed off and I think more players are going to piss him off at the professional level. He certainly has not played as physical in junior as some would have you believe but I do think he will be encouraged to do more at the next level. I also agree that he is unlikely to become some kind of physical menace but he will make players pay when the opportunity arises.

Anyways....overall a good post as those were my only two objections.
 

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Thanks for taking the time to share that with us. I agree with most of what you are saying but disagree about his skating as he is a strong skater in all regards including his quickness and acceleration. It is a common illusion with bigger players that they are not moving as quickly from a stop as shorter players due to their longer stride but they are often moving just as fast or faster. Smaller players are more agile in their first three steps due to their lower center of gravity but are not necessarily covering more linear ground.

As far as the physical side goes Mailloux does have a mean streak and I suspect you will see more of it in the NHL when he makes it there. We have all seen him lay a big hit or cross check when he is pissed off and I think more players are going to piss him off at the professional level. He certainly has not played as physical in junior as some would have you believe but I do think he will be encouraged to do more at the next level. I also agree that he is unlikely to become some kind of physical menace but he will make players pay when the opportunity arises.

Anyways....overall a good post as those were my only two objections.
Your objections are noted. With respect to our divergent opinions as to the upper range of Mailloux’s skating ability, I sincerely hope your assessment is more accurate than mine. Regardless, if he gains more core strength and develops a passable level of defensive capability, Mailloux will be a core player and leader for Montreal over the next decade. Such is the potential of this young player’s offensive ceiling. I really look forward in three years when we have Hutson feeding Mailloux at the point or Caufield on the side boards on our power plays. This is going to be very interesting. And very painful for opposing teams.
 
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I haven't read anyone calling Mailloux chris Pronger.

If he makes the nhl, I think he might be a liability defensively but he could also be a weapon offensively, and he seems like a guy who stands up for his teammates.

In terms of past habs, that sounds a bit like Sheldon Souray. It's not the perfect comparison because there differences in their games, but I'm talking very broadly.
 

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I haven't read anyone calling Mailloux chris Pronger.

If he makes the nhl, I think he might be a liability defensively but he could also be a weapon offensively, and he seems like a guy who stands up for his teammates.

In terms of past habs, that sounds a bit like Sheldon Souray. It's not the perfect comparison because there differences in their games, but I'm talking very broadly.
The biggest difference is that Mailloux is a much more fluid skater than Souray. If Souray had anything close to Mailloux’s mobility, he may have challenged for a Norris Trophy during his peak years here in Montreal.
 
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The biggest difference is that Mailloux is much more fluid skater than Souray. If Souray had anything close to Mailloux’s mobility, he may have challenged for a Norris Trophy during his peak years here in Montreal.

When Gainey decided to keep Markov over Sourray and then brought in Hamrlik, was it a controversy?
 

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yes he is best prospect maybe in many years
If best means highest upside, I would agree. His physical tools coupled with his skating and offensive vision make him one of our most promising prospects since Richer. But the gaps in his game need filling for this intriguing prospect to reach his lofty projections. I think he will, but it will take at least another year. There’s no rush. We are still in the re-building phase on our long march back to relevancy.
 

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I have no idea how he will look at camp and to begin the season with Laval but there were very obvious signs that he still has plenty to learn as all dmen leaving the CHL do. Due to his skating, size and strength advantages in the OHL he was a top dman but the errors that he was making will cost him at the next level until he figures out how to defend properly.
It sounds like you could be talking about Sergachev when he entered the league.
 

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If best means highest upside, I would agree. His physical tools coupled with his skating and offensive vision make him one of our most promising prospects since Richer. But the gaps in his game need filling for this intriguing prospect to reach his lofty projections. I think he will, but it will take at least another year. There’s no rush. We are still in the re-building phase on our long march back to relevancy.
 

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yeah , upside is probably highest. but hutson, and maybe
josh roy also have a very hard upside. But I like to bet money
and, to me, Mailloux is most likely to be HOF.
 

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If Mailloux has the clapper Souray had plus mobility... I wonder where he would have been drafted had he not had the drama around him.

Souray was low-key one of my fav players the Habs had in the past 23 years. He was definitely giga Chad.
Seeing how noone seems to take slappers anymore I almost feel Xjekaj and his floaty wristers that hit the net is a more modern version of a tough guy who can play. I’ve only seen a few Mailloux highlights but I feel skating, iq and stick work are top 3 on D for criteria these days (His mobility seems great).
 

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Seeing how noone seems to take slappers anymore I almost feel Xjekaj and his floaty wristers that hit the net is a more modern version of a tough guy who can play. I’ve only seen a few Mailloux highlights but I feel skating, iq and stick work are top 3 on D for criteria these days (His mobility seems great).
Getting shots through is a skill on its own.

It's what made/make Karlsson that much better.

Obvious Xhekaj doesn't equal Karlsson at all, but if you can get pucks through, you have a good chance to be in a roster, or increase your value.
 

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Seeing how noone seems to take slappers anymore I almost feel Xjekaj and his floaty wristers that hit the net is a more modern version of a tough guy who can play. I’ve only seen a few Mailloux highlights but I feel skating, iq and stick work are top 3 on D for criteria these days (His mobility seems great).

It isn't just his slap shot as he also has a wicked wrist shot. The biggest question that I have is IQ and I am honestly unsure of where I stand on that as he has missed so much time but did show significant improvement. This season will give us a better idea of where he is as far as IQ is concerned and I expect him to make some mistakes at first but it will be all about how often he repeats the same mistakes or if he learns from them and adapts.
 

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Seeing how noone seems to take slappers anymore I almost feel Xjekaj and his floaty wristers that hit the net is a more modern version of a tough guy who can play. I’ve only seen a few Mailloux highlights but I feel skating, iq and stick work are top 3 on D for criteria these days (His mobility seems great).
One timers from the point on the PP are still being used as a strategy. Mailloux could be our newest answer to a Shea Weber blast on the PP
 

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Mailloux’s value on the power play may be just the threat of his shot. Just as opposing teams had to overplay and defend Weber’s shot, teams will have to take away Mailloux’s. That overplaying will open the ice for other options. That’s where Hutson and his incredible offensive vision will come into play. Take away Mailloux, then Hutson will find Caufield. An open Caufield is money in the bank. Teams will have to chose their poison. If all goes according to plan, In two to three years, Montreal (with Hutson, Mailloux, Caufield, Suzuki, Dach/ Slafkovsky) will have one of the best power plays in the league. Maybe even the best.
 

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Mailloux’s value on the power play may be just the threat of his shot. Just as opposing teams had to overplay and defend Weber’s shot, teams will have to take away Mailloux’s. That overplaying will open the ice for other options. That’s where Hutson and his incredible offensive vision will come into play. Take away Mailloux, then Hutson will find Caufield. An open Caufield is money in the bank. Teams will have to chose their poison. If all goes according to plan, In two to three years, Montreal (with Hutson, Mailloux, Caufield, Suzuki, Dach/ Slafkovsky) will have one of the best power plays in the league. Maybe even the best.
Mailloux and Hutson, future frst pairing on powerplay.
 

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Mailloux’s value on the power play may be just the threat of his shot. Just as opposing teams had to overplay and defend Weber’s shot, teams will have to take away Mailloux’s. That overplaying will open the ice for other options. That’s where Hutson and his incredible offensive vision will come into play. Take away Mailloux, then Hutson will find Caufield. An open Caufield is money in the bank. Teams will have to chose their poison. If all goes according to plan, In two to three years, Montreal (with Hutson, Mailloux, Caufield, Suzuki, Dach/ Slafkovsky) will have one of the best power plays in the league. Maybe even the best.
Mailloux sometime comes in the opponent's zone like a power forward.
 

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Mailloux sometime comes in the opponent's zone like a power forward.
Early in the new year I suggested that Mailloux's future in the NHL maybe as a power forward. I was largely mocked for such an outrageous suggestion. I still think it is a possibility. His offensive vision and shot are elite. His defensive acumen, less so. In fact, much less so.
 

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Early in the new year I suggested that Mailloux's future in the NHL maybe as a power forward. I was largely mocked for such an outrageous suggestion. I still think it is a possibility. His offensive vision and shot are elite. His defensive acumen, less so. In fact, much less so.
Mailloux, the new Byfuglien? Big body wants to play D but really produces more, without being as flawed defensively, as winger?

Honestly, if Mailloux can't hold his own, defensively, in the NHL, there might come a point where producing offensively as a power forward and playing the point on the PP will seem a more logical approach to landing a huge contract and staying upon the NHL?

People are saying the same thing about Hutson (playing as forward, although not a power forward), but I think having all the ice in front of him is part of his computation of space and opportunity. I think he'll be more productive, offensively, on the back end. He'll just need a shut down pairing partner à la Guhle or Reinbacher, maybe, even, Engstrom.
 
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They were saying on 690 today, if he has good camp and team has an injury or two he could make the jump. Straight from junior. Like Wifi last year
 

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