Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Casey DeSmith got into trouble for assault his girlfriend, Habs acquired him.

Nick Cousins was implicated in a sexual assault case, that didn't go through because of "lack of evidence" and he's still in the NHL and played for the Habs.

Joe Corvo punched a woman out and played in the NHL after that incident and for a while.

Craig MacTavish killed a woman drunk driving and continued to play in the NHL, work in the NHL and got inducted into the hockey hall of fame.

Bobby Hull was a woman beater, in the hockey hall of fame.

Patrick Roy assaulted his wife.

Martin Brodeur didn't do anything by breaking the law, but he's cheated on his wife with her sister.

Beaulieu got accused of assault and continued to play in the NHL.

Doug Gilmour sexually assaulted(to put it lightly) a minor, no repercussions from the league at that time and still nothing.

Chicago covered up the abuse of Kyle Beach got a financial penalty which was easily paid off once they got Bedard.

NHL trying to show that they're tough and then times where they really need to be, they just pretend it doesn't exist.

The 5 players from 2018 should be banned from the league, easily.

 

[Tyson]

Legit question- if Mailloux isn't reinstated during camp can he play pre season games?

 

[Belial]

Legit question- if Mailloux isn't reinstated during camp can he play pre season games?

@Estimated_Prophet thinks he can but I'm not so sure about that.

And I don't see the point of dragging this thing into the camp and having local media bringing this up again and again.

Bettman should settle this before the camp starts.

 

[NewDef]

He can not be permitted to play in the NHL without being suspended, or so I assume since he's not been suspended by the NHL or anyone for that matter. I haven't heard anything that says he can't play in the AHL, just that the NHL has not cleared him to play in the NHL.

So I assume at this point that yes he can play in Laval but not the NHL until they say he can. So my point is if the NHL drags their feet cause they don't want the PR with all the Team Canada WJC stuff that will likely hit soon. So if they force the Habs to leave Mailloux in Laval all year that would be a good thing imo as I can't see them keeping him out of the NHL forever.

I too think he needs that AHL seasoning first and there are no reasons to bring him in the NHL this season as we have enough defensemen with big league experience to start 8D and Strubble will be called up first if we need to bring a recruit to test and judge.

Let's let him play on his defensive side, he needs to polish his game but man is he a gem worthy to polish.

 

[the valiant effort]

Just want to note that Mac T is not in the HOF lol (…yet)

 

[Licou]

Casey DeSmith got into trouble for assault his girlfriend, Habs acquired him.

Nick Cousins was implicated in a sexual assault case, that didn't go through because of "lack of evidence" and he's still in the NHL and played for the Habs.

Joe Corvo punched a woman out and played in the NHL after that incident and for a while.

Craig MacTavish killed a woman drunk driving and continued to play in the NHL, work in the NHL and got inducted into the hockey hall of fame.

Bobby Hull was a woman beater, in the hockey hall of fame.

Patrick Roy assaulted his wife.

Martin Brodeur didn't do anything by breaking the law, but he's cheated on his wife with her sister.

Beaulieu got accused of assault and continued to play in the NHL.

Doug Gilmour sexually assaulted(to put it lightly) a minor, no repercussions from the league at that time and still nothing.

Chicago covered up the abuse of Kyle Beach got a financial penalty which was easily paid off once they got Bedard.

NHL trying to show that they're tough and then times where they really need to be, they just pretend it doesn't exist.

The 5 players from 2018 should be banned from the league, easily.

Thank you for the summary of shame. I am sure some are missing but it should remind us that no one should be above the law. Which brings us to Mailloux, who actually was NOT above the law and got penalized properly with the severity warranted by the state.. unlike those other clowns.

That being said... What a username you have there mate... Bravo! It's f***ing hilarious

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Along the same lines Mailloux was himself a minor and his crime was more along the line of immaturity and being a stupid teenager.
Mailloux did nothing compared to some of these so called NHL established adults. We haven't seen the results of the 2018 WJC team.

I totally agree with you from a moral and ethical standpoint but the NHL can not suspend players who were not found guilty or at the very least admit guilt and that is a very important difference between Mailloux and the others that simply can not be ignored in this discussion. I think grown men having their way with a 17 year old girl is reprehensible and much worse than what Mailloux did as a minor with a girl who was older than him......no argument there but you can not hold the NHL to a higher standard than the law.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Casey DeSmith got into trouble for assault his girlfriend, Habs acquired him.

Nick Cousins was implicated in a sexual assault case, that didn't go through because of "lack of evidence" and he's still in the NHL and played for the Habs.

Joe Corvo punched a woman out and played in the NHL after that incident and for a while.

Craig MacTavish killed a woman drunk driving and continued to play in the NHL, work in the NHL and got inducted into the hockey hall of fame.

Bobby Hull was a woman beater, in the hockey hall of fame.

Patrick Roy assaulted his wife.

Martin Brodeur didn't do anything by breaking the law, but he's cheated on his wife with her sister.

Beaulieu got accused of assault and continued to play in the NHL.

Doug Gilmour sexually assaulted(to put it lightly) a minor, no repercussions from the league at that time and still nothing.

Chicago covered up the abuse of Kyle Beach got a financial penalty which was easily paid off once they got Bedard.

NHL trying to show that they're tough and then times where they really need to be, they just pretend it doesn't exist.

The 5 players from 2018 should be banned from the league, easily.

That is almost entirely a list of accusations without convictions or even evidence in some cases and to set the default as guilty is extremely troubling and entirely unconstitutional. MacTavish served a year in prison and drinking and driving was not as harshly viewed or punished in 1984 as it is today. If Mac T did that today he would spend much more than a year in prison and at the very least serve a suspension before rejoining the NHL if he is even young enough to play any more.

Same goes for our very own Rob Ramage who killed Keith Magnuson while driving drunk and was sentenced to a four year prison term but was out of Hockey so the NHL could not suspend him.

 

[Licou]

I totally agree with you from a moral and ethical standpoint but the NHL can not suspend players who were not found guilty or at the very least admit guilt and that is a very important difference between Mailloux and the others that simply can not be ignored in this discussion. I think grown men having their way with a 17 year old girl is reprehensible and much worse than what Mailloux did as a minor with a girl who was older than him......no argument there but you can not hold the NHL to a higher standard than the law.

But Mailloux paid his due to the state already. The NHL should not have any additional discipline to add to this no?

 

[WeThreeKings]

But Mailloux paid his due to the state already. The NHL should not have any additional discipline to add to this no?

They won't they are just putting performative steps in front of Mailloux so they can hang a "we did a process" banner up.

 

[Licou]

They won't they are just putting performative steps in front of Mailloux so they can hang a "we did a process" banner up.

That's what my intuition tells me as well.

I just like to underline that for the Mailloux situation, aside from the stupid, immature and hurtful event itself, all due process was followed like the law intended. He was rightfully punished and now he deserves a second chance. It looks like he followed additional counselling steps as well.

He may or may not be sincere, but let's be honest here... High level athletes sometimes seem to have a different set of moral compasses than us plebs

Hopefully the NHL doesn't decide to put Mailloux in the same bucket as those WJC ass holes though...

 

[Vachon23]

If Mailloux was in the CHL during that incident, that incident wouldn’t even be public.

Number of players that did that in the Q that it was never said would surprise a lot of people.

That being said it’s a jerk move but it’s a immaturity move

 

[Naslundforever]

But Mailloux paid his due to the state already. The NHL should not have any additional discipline to add to this no?

Commissioner is a graduate of law himself. Expect him to dot the i’s and cross the t’s, this is a rare case there was an actual dossier so he knows how to handle.. It has nothing to do with severity I don’t think, and I doubt there is anything to worry about. Law is cool that way, much less bs than pr meets corporate meets mob social norms. There is closure to it (so there will).

As for Mailloux; I’ll be watching the ahl this year for the 1st time ever on tv because of kids like him this year, I hope tv providers are less greedy than the broadcast mess the nhl has us in!

 

[Captain97]

If Mailloux was in the CHL during that incident, that incident wouldn’t even be public.

Number of players that did that in the Q that it was never said would surprise a lot of people.

That being said it’s a jerk move but it’s a immaturity move

This is what I've been saying. I think some people don't realize how stupid and dickish young high potential athletes have become with the rise of every phone has a camera. What Mailloux did is incredibly stupid and inappropriate but I'd wager 10-20% of pro athletes have done something similar.

I went to highscool right at the beginning of the smart phone age and the amount of this stupid stuff that happened was wild. Basically served as a way to learn who on your team you probably shouldn't hang out with.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

But Mailloux paid his due to the state already. The NHL should not have any additional discipline to add to this no?

No he should not because he was not a member of the NHL at the time of the crime. It is very common for employers to suspend and/or fire employees for behaviour in their personal lives. This will not and should not be the case with Mailloux.

 

[WeThreeKings]

This is what I've been saying. I think some people don't realize how stupid and dickish young high potential athletes have become with the rise of every phone has a camera. What Mailloux did is incredibly stupid and inappropriate but I'd wager 10-20% of pro athletes have done something similar.

I went to highscool right at the beginning of the smart phone age and the amount of this stupid stuff that happened was wild. Basically served as a way to learn who on your team you probably shouldn't hang out with.

We all know that this was born out of immaturity and the toxic culture that is pervasive in hockey dressing rooms, other dressing rooms and really where young men are in a situation where they are trying to impress their friends.

I don't and never thought Mailloux was someone like Mitchell Miller; I always disliked that we made the selection when the young man himself was asking to not be drafted so he could learn and the fact he was drafted in round 1 - it was a f*** you to the victim, to women, and really didn't show there would be consequences to hockey players continuing to treat women as sexual objects to parade around as conquests to impress their friends.

There's certainly a path to redemption for Mailloux and he's taking it. Bergevin's crew just spat on the victim and also made things worse on Logan by going against his wishes. Bad look. Hughes taking over handled this with the sensitivity it deserved.

Now Mailloux can continue to do his work to help change the hockey culture with the lessons he's learned from it. Nothing should prevent him now from pursuing his dream but understandably his leash is shorter than others because of his public past - that is fair.

I think the other worst part was the group that was in Mailloux's corner from the outset and made him their champion against hockey going 'woke' and I know that Logan himself would never want to be a cultural icon for the group of pretend alpha males who think the right approach is to make women uncomfortable and force them into situations where they feel like they have to say yes and don't think there's anything wrong with that.

 

[NobleSix]

"The Only Hockey Talk Thread"

Sure.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

That is almost entirely a list of accusations without convictions or even evidence in some cases and to set the default as guilty is extremely troubling and entirely unconstitutional. MacTavish served a year in prison and drinking and driving was not as harshly viewed or punished in 1984 as it is today. If Mac T did that today he would spend much more than a year in prison and at the very least serve a suspension before rejoining the NHL if he is even young enough to play any more.

Same goes for our very own Rob Ramage who killed Keith Magnuson while driving drunk and was sentenced to a four year prison term but was out of Hockey so the NHL could not suspend him.

Don’t know about much more. Buddy here did the same thing. Got 3 years and served 1.5-2 years. This was 2017.

 

[DAChampion]

"The Only Hockey Talk Thread"

Sure.

It's the Off-season and people are bored and killing time out of boredom.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

human beings are messy. Thats why some possess common sense and others created fairy tales, sorry religion.

whats astonishing is the ego on display from people who disregard the justice system professionals who have already adjudicated this case. It’s over! Nothing to see here! As has been stated Gary B will have his marching orders from the owners to “rubber stamp” approval (process)…? I understand the value of a press release for the “Holier than thou“ zealots who are still looking for their pound of flesh. Ironically it reminds me of a quote “judge not lest ye be judged” lol. Cheers.

i apologize mods

 

[bcv]

Isn’t this supposed to be hockey talk only?

 

[Scriptor]

I could see Mailloux starting on a 3rd pairing with Xhekaj and getting PP time if he plays in the NHL this season, but more reps in the AHL are likely a better idea..

 

[the valiant effort]

Hockey is life, therefore you technically can’t go off-topic in a hockey thread

 

[armChairScout]

I’m on the opinion that (I know many posters here won’t like what I have to say but it’s my opinion) we shouldn’t trade Mailloux and that I have now come around and like that we picked a defender with our first pick this year as I’m not sure how Hutson’ game will translate in the nhl with faster bigger players. I have my doubts.

 

[Rapala]

Thank you for the summary of shame. I am sure some are missing but it should remind us that no one should be above the law. Which brings us to Mailloux, who actually was NOT above the law and got penalized properly with the severity warranted by the state.. unlike those other clowns.

That being said... What a username you have there mate... Bravo! It's f***ing hilarious

Public Opinion has become so magnified with the advancements in the technology and social media more and more people have access to handheld devices. Most of that wall of shame would likely get a lifetime ban in this day and age because of public outcry. Many of whom are not even hockey fans.