Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Estimated_Prophet]

Is it possible that he has already been cleared and they have decided to keep it on the downlow?

That is 100% not the case as Bettman would be a fool to risk pissing off the cancel culture zealots. This is a non issue as Mailloux will meet with Bettman when Monreal makes the decision to bring him up and he will be cleared. This whole thing is just PR and virtue signalling and Bettman will not get involved in unnecessary secret handshake deals, there is zero reward and only risk.

 

[WeThreeKings]

Considering Bettman just canceled pride nights instead of actually dealing with homophobia and making hockey for all - we can be assured he gives 0 shits about Mailloux's past as long as it isn't a PR nightmare and it really hasn't been the focal point of anything in a long, long time.

 

[montreal]

@montreal @WeThreeKings

The opinions of Mailloux seem to be quite polarized. Do you think he's an nhl player? Does he end up with a Beaulieu type of career or is there a very good chance he ends up an offensive top 4 dman?

I'm finding it hard to parse through all the opinions about him.

as they should be cause he's missed so much key development time and there are a lot of good and bad things about his game so opinions will be all over the place until he shows a lot of progress (he showed a good bit but still has a long ways to go)

It's just way too early to say, what you like to see is you have a kid with NHL size, skating, speed, mobility, that has high end offensive skills, he will take the body and drop the gloves but that's not his game as moving the puck and shooting are where he shines since he's so big with his great mobility he get up ice in no time quick.

Then you see the bad parts of his game, perhaps poor IQ as his defensive game is just so bad at times that you really have to wonder if it's just not being that bright vs the major amount of development time he's missed.

Laval will be a very interesting test for him. I don't doubt he will see games in the NHL at some point as he's got a lot of NHL tools but it may take some time to get there. But if he does, wow could he ever be a star as he has that Malakhov like mix of size/skill/skating where scouts just drool of what could be.

 

[Schooner Guy]

He can not be permitted to play in the NHL without being suspended, or so I assume since he's not been suspended by the NHL or anyone for that matter. I haven't heard anything that says he can't play in the AHL, just that the NHL has not cleared him to play in the NHL.

So I assume at this point that yes he can play in Laval but not the NHL until they say he can. So my point is if the NHL drags their feet cause they don't want the PR with all the Team Canada WJC stuff that will likely hit soon. So if they force the Habs to leave Mailloux in Laval all year that would be a good thing imo as I can't see them keeping him out of the NHL forever.

If he's not permitted to play in the NHL, there will be an announcement and he would effectively be under suspension...like what happened before the 2021-22 OHL season. Bettman and the NHL will make a decision before the season starts.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

If he's not permitted to play in the NHL, there will be an announcement and he would effectively be under suspension...like what happened before the 2021-22 OHL season. Bettman and the NHL will make a decision before the season starts.

He 100% will be granted permission provided that there are no further incidents, there is zero doubt about that.

It is possible that he is granted permission at the start of the season but likely only if he is going to make the team. I do not expect him to be officially allowed to play in the NHL until he is officially being brought up and that is more likely to take place in season or next fall. He is not an NHL player as of yet and there is zero impetus for the league to be charitable in a PR situation such as this and unnecessarily put themselves up for criticism.

If he never plays then they never have to make a statement that is guaranteed to draw criticism from the radical activists who are chomping at the bit to attack Bettman and the league. There is nothing to be gained at all by the league by doing this until they absolutely have to.

As @WeThreeKings pointed out earlier, that Bettman (I disagree on this one minor point as it is a league ownership issue and he is their spokesman) already royally screwed up the Pride night fiasco by backing down and enabling ignorant mindsets to continue to marginalize minority groups. This is a sign that perhaps Bettman and the owners will bungle this as well and put themselves at risk for criticism by unnecessarily and prematurely granting entry to the NHL to Mailloux.

Anyways....this topic is almost certainly a nothing burger as Mailloux will be granted permission to play and he will be able to play the very instant that the Montreal Canadiens deem him to be ready.

 

[Belial]

He 100% will be granted permission provided that there are no further incidents, there is zero doubt about that.

It is possible that he is granted permission at the start of the season but likely only if he is going to make the team. I do not expect him to be officially allowed to play in the NHL until he is officially being brought up and that is more likely to take place in season or nest fall. He is not an NHL player as of yet and there is zero impetus for the league to be charitable in a PR situation such as this and unnecessarily put themselves up for criticism.

If he never plays then they never have to make a statement that is guaranteed to draw criticism from the radical activists who are chomping at the bit to attack Bettman and the league. There is nothing to be gained at all by the league by doing this until they absolutely have to.

As @WeThreeKings pointed out earlier, that Bettman (I disagree on this one minor point as it is a league ownership issue and he is their spokesman) already royally screwed up the Pride night fiasco by backing down and enabling ignorant mindsets to continue to marginalize minority groups. This is a sign that perhaps Bettman and the owners will bungle this as well and put themselves at risk for criticism by unnecessarily and prematurely granting entry to the NHL to Mailloux.

Anyways....this topic is almost certainly a nothing burger as Mailloux will be granted permission to play and he will be able to play the very instant that the Montreal Canadiens deem him to be ready.

They'll probably have to clear him before the training camp in case the Habs wants to use him in preseason games.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

They'll probably have to clear him before the training camp in case the Habs wants to use him in preseason games.

I don't think that is the case as the players are not paid to play these games just as they are not paid to play in rookie tournaments despite wearing the NHL jersey and playing for a paying audience as a representative of the NHL and Montreal Canadiens. Suspensions from previous seasons don't carry over into preseason so this should not apply either.

 

[HuGort]

If he's not permitted to play in the NHL, there will be an announcement and he would effectively be under suspension...like what happened before the 2021-22 OHL season. Bettman and the NHL will make a decision before the season starts.

Mailloux be allowed to play in AHL though

 

[Tyson]

I also believe this is a chapter the NHL wants to move on from. Prolonging this in anyway doesn't do the NHL any favors.

If it's such a privilege to play in the NHL then why have so many dirtbags made millions playing in this league?

 

[Habs Halifax]

I also believe this is a chapter the NHL wants to move on from. Prolonging this in anyway doesn't do the NHL any favors.

If it's such a privilege to play in the NHL then why have so many dirtbags made millions playing in this league?

I agree. The delay on the decision has lingered on too much.

 

[StCaufield]

He’s our second best D prospect. Hate me lol. Too bad Hughes will trade him to be PC

I also believe this is a chapter the NHL wants to move on from. Prolonging this in anyway doesn't do the NHL any favors.

If it's such a privilege to play in the NHL then why have so many dirtbags made millions playing in this league?

I don’t really see anybody complaining and everyone knows he’ll be allowed to play as he should be. If he’s not allowed to play then I guess there should be 100 more banned. Live up to the standard

 

[Habs Halifax]

They'll probably have to clear him before the training camp in case the Habs wants to use him in preseason games.

I don't see a need for the NHL to delay the decision after September. At this stage, he's on the right track since his mistake and blocking or delaying the decision more is not necessary. Bettman probably will delay the decision and watch our media/fans melt down on it with chatter. Might prefer to wait to see if Mailloux says something to the media that would give Bettman reason to delay it more.

 

[DAChampion]

He’s our second best D prospect. Hate me lol. Too bad Hughes will trade him to be PC

Absolutely zero basis for that.

*If* Hughes trades Mailloux, it's because the team also has Reinbacher, Guhle, Barron, etc, and it's in a package for a excellent young forward.

 

[StCaufield]

Absolutely zero basis for that.

*If* Hughes trades Mailloux, it's because the team also has Reinbacher, Guhle, Barron, etc, and it's in a package for a excellent young forward.

In todays world it makes sense. Maybe Hughes wants to do the right thing and be the good guy. He should stay though unless like you said we get something strong in return as part of a package. There’s also zero basis that he’ll trade any of them

 

[montreal]

If he's not permitted to play in the NHL, there will be an announcement and he would effectively be under suspension...like what happened before the 2021-22 OHL season. Bettman and the NHL will make a decision before the season starts.

He's not permitted to play in the NHL, Bettman already said so, there's and they never used the word suspension.


“I think we’ve been clear with Logan Mailloux. He is not eligible to play in our league now, either,” Daly said.
"But neither player would be eligible without clearing with us at the time their ability and eligibility to play in the league,” Bettman said"

Canadiens prospect Logan Mailloux remains ineligible to play in NHL

Logan Mailloux’s eligibility resurfaced as a point of interest after the Bruins signed defenseman Mitchell Miller last week.

ca.sports.yahoo.com

 

[Boss Man Hughes]

I don't see a need for the NHL to delay the decision after September. At this stage, he's on the right track since his mistake and blocking or delaying the decision more is not necessary. Bettman probably will delay the decision and watch our media/fans melt down on it with chatter. Might prefer to wait to see if Mailloux says something to the media that would give Bettman reason to delay it more.

I presume the player/team must apply for reinstatement. And when the suspension was given the NHL should have indicated what the player must do to be reinstated (counselling etc). If the player has complied with the requirements then they would have to reinstate him. Of course they can indicate that any subsequent trouble will result in a long or permanent suspension.
Montreal is the perfect team for him because Hugo is trying to build a team with character. There should be no bad influences for him.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Why are we even discussing this anymore, I clearly laid out what is actually happening. It doesn't matter at all.......he will be reinstated the day that the Montreal Canadiens officially decide to use him in an NHL game. Perhaps it may happen sooner but that would be beyond stupid of Bettman. We are creating a boogeyman that does not exist.

Seriously......this discussion is pointless and should just be over.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Absolutely zero basis for that.

*If* Hughes trades Mailloux, it's because the team also has Reinbacher, Guhle, Barron, etc, and it's in a package for a excellent young forward.

Meh, who needs evidence apparently we should be nice and treat statements born from hyperbolic eruptions and contrarian agendas as though they are rational and relevant or run the risk of being labelled a big old meanie on these boards lol.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Excited to see how he does. Love the upside but yeah the D is a big question mark.

I feel like he can be insulated well enough by Guhle likely that he should be fine but you hope that he can make some drastic improvements.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Over a PPG in the playoffs. Forgot about that. Big offensive upside. His shot is a problem.

I’ve always liked him as a prospect but I think I sold him short a bit. Just work on that D kid

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

I also believe this is a chapter the NHL wants to move on from. Prolonging this in anyway doesn't do the NHL any favors.

If it's such a privilege to play in the NHL then why have so many dirtbags made millions playing in this league?

Specifically which "dirtbags" are you referring to? Just for the sake of comparison are there any players that come to mind who were charged and convicted of a crime and escaped further supplemental disciplinary action from the NHL? I can't think of any but as this board can attest to I am wrong often enough to warrant further investigation lol.

Over a PPG in the playoffs. Forgot about that. Big offensive upside. His shot is a problem.

I’ve always liked him as a prospect but I think I sold him short a bit. Just work on that D kid

Careful......we are trying to keep him out of trouble

 

[Tyson]

Specifically which "dirtbags" are you referring to? Just for the sake of comparison are there any players that come to mind who were charged and convicted of a crime and escaped further supplemental disciplinary action from the NHL? I can't think of any but as this board can attest to I am wrong often enough to warrant further investigation lol.



Careful......we are trying to keep him out of trouble

Back in the 90's several Washington Capital players had their way with a young woman in a limousine. Some of the players were very notable. Now you have some current NHL players from the 2018 WJC team and a similar scenario with the 2003 WJC Team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/05/15/4-capitals-accused-of-rape/97bc50b8-0bf0-493c-b7d1-d8a08591ef6f/

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

Back in the 90's several Washington Capital players had their way with a young woman in a limousine. Some of the players were very notable. Now you have some current NHL players from the 2018 WJC team and a similar scenario with the 2003 WJC Team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/05/15/4-capitals-accused-of-rape/97bc50b8-0bf0-493c-b7d1-d8a08591ef6f/

These were accusations that the NHL can't act on and I didn't see anything about convictions as I had mentioned. The world is full of rapey men and women who lie about it and vice versa so without a conviction of any sort this stuff is meaningless.

Am I wrong? Was there a settlement? Even settlements don't necessarily imply guilt as sometimes people pay to not have to go through with the legal process which can be more expensive and very public. Or, innocent people sometimes settle out of fear of being wrongly convicted.

Why even mention the WJC team as once again there are no convictions and without convictions are at the very least pending charges there is nothing that can be done by the NHL. You also can't just paint those entire rosters as guilty.

So once again are there any NHLers that escaped discipline/repercussions following criminal convictions?

edit: Upon further research all four were acquitted so there is absolutely nothing that the NHL could do. I do agree that any of them who had sex with her would qualify as a dirtbag as there were two 30 year olds, a 27 year old and a 26 year old among the males and she was only 17 which is legal in D.C. Reprehensible, yes but not illegal therefore not punishable by the NHL.

 

[Rapala]

Back in the 90's several Washington Capital players had their way with a young woman in a limousine. Some of the players were very notable. Now you have some current NHL players from the 2018 WJC team and a similar scenario with the 2003 WJC Team.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1990/05/15/4-capitals-accused-of-rape/97bc50b8-0bf0-493c-b7d1-d8a08591ef6f/

Our own Rob Ramage and of course Dany Heatly would have been crucified in this day and age for vehicular manslaughter. No way they'd be getting off with plea bargaining. Does anyone doubt these charges are at least as equally egregious as the sex scandals?

 

[Tyson]

These were accusations that the NHL can't act on and I didn't see anything about convictions as I had mentioned. The world is full of rapey men and women who lie about it and vice versa so without a conviction of any sort this stuff is meaningless.

Am I wrong? Was there a settlement? Even settlements don't necessarily imply guilt as sometimes people pay to not have to go through with the legal process which can be more expensive and very public. Or, innocent people sometimes settle out of fear of being wrongly convicted.

Why even mention the WJC team as once again there are no convictions and without convictions are at the very least pending charges there is nothing that can be done by the NHL. You also can't just paint those entire rosters as guilty.

So once again are there any NHLers that escaped discipline/repercussions following criminal convictions?

edit: Upon further research all four were acquitted so there is absolutely nothing that the NHL could do. I do agree that any of them who had sex with her would qualify as a dirtbag as there were two 30 year olds, a 27 year old and a 26 year old among the males and she was only 17 which is legal in D.C. Reprehensible, yes but not illegal therefore not punishable by the NHL.

Along the same lines Mailloux was himself a minor and his crime was more along the line of immaturity and being a stupid teenager.
Mailloux did nothing compared to some of these so called NHL established adults. We haven't seen the results of the 2018 WJC team.