Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[Scriptor]

I look forward to seeing how our prospects pan out going forward. I’m in the group that thinks we’ll see a huge improvement.

It could very well be that our fanbase overrated out prospects for years - but our development was so terrible. We’ll see how we do going forward. I’m optimistic that we’ll see a big improvement.

I’ve been really happy with MSL so far. The only player I feel we’ve messed up on is Slaf. And I hope he’s in the minors this year.

I share a positive outlook, but that is generally based on the fact that the Habs' prospects are excelling at the level they have played, unlike in the past when we were falsely hyping players who were basically ordinary against their peers.

If you can't be enthused about prospects who stand out against their peers at lower levels, even though all prospects have some flaws they need to work on, when can you legitimately be happy about a prospect's performance? Only if they are generational studs!?

GO HABS GO!

 

[Scriptor]

I don’t disagree with much of what you’re saying. I was huge timmins fan for years. In fact, when he was promoted to AGM, I think he might have a positive impact on MB. It seemed his philosophy changed a bit, but the results speak for themselves. You would expect the odd home run like Subban who can drown out the poor development decisions, we had almost nothing for a decade. The track record was brutal.

Timmins had a great record with prospects making the show. Unfortunately, his approach was too safe and he favoured the odds of prospects reaching the NHL rather than swinging for the fence with some picks to stand a chance of producing players who, beyond having a good chance of making the NHL, would also have a good chance of having an impact once there.

The record stands for itself. many of Timmins' picks made the NHL. Few were standout performers once there.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Timmins had a great record with prospects making the show. Unfortunately, his approach was too safe and he favoured the odds of prospects reaching the NHL rather than swinging for the fence with some picks to stand a chance of producing players who, beyond having a good chance of making the NHL, would also have a good chance of having an impact once there.

The record stands for itself. many of Timmins' picks made the NHL. Few were standout performers once there.

The problem is timmins reputation is surviving on the first half of his career. In the second half, many picks didn’t make the show. In fact we’re close to last place.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

The problem is timmins reputation is surviving on the first half of his career. In the second half, many picks didn’t make the show. In fact we’re close to last place.

Right.

His picks pan out until MB arrives. Then they either bust or underwhelm.

Now that MBs gone, we’ll see players pan out again. Including Timmins’ later picks.

Not coincidence.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Right.

His picks pan out until MB arrives. Then they either bust or underwhelm.

Now that MBs gone, we’ll see players pan out again. Including Timmins’ later picks.

Not coincidence.

You can keep repeating this, I don’t agree with you. MB’s developmental team was terrible, there is no dispute there.

However, TT was turning out almost nothing. Majority of the blame is on MB, but Timmins struggle too imo. We will see how he does in Columbus.

 

[BLONG7]

You can keep repeating this, I don’t agree with you. MB’s developmental team was terrible, there is no dispute there.

However, TT was turning out almost nothing. Majority of the blame is on MB, but Timmins struggle too imo. We will see how he does in Columbus.

Timmins is in Columbus now.............wow, missed that nugget.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You can keep repeating this, I don’t agree with you. MB’s developmental team was terrible, there is no dispute there.

However, TT was turning out almost nothing. Majority of the blame is on MB, but Timmins struggle too imo. We will see how he does in Columbus.

We will see how these late picks pan out too.

You can disagree all you wish, but if those picks start panning out, it definitely supports the assertion that Timmins was not the problem.

 

[1909]

Knowing Bettman ways of thinking and his hate for Canadian based teams (besides TO), I would not be surprised if he gives Mailloux a long suspension before allowing him to play at NHL level.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Knowing Bettman ways of thinking and his hate for Canadian based teams (besides TO), I would not be surprised if he gives Mailloux a long suspension before allowing him to play at NHL level.

Won’t happen. That type of selectivity for a player who committed an offence while a minor will attract way too much potential liability. Hopefully the kid has good lawyers. If he does, they have already put the NHL on notice.

 

[Canadiens98]

The NHL won't suspend him, the OHL already handed out a suspension.

For those who actively follow him, where is he in terms of his development? Is he close to making the Canadiens? What type of player comparison are we looking at in terms of play style (not necessarily that he'll hit that level but just style of play)?

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We will see how these late picks pan out too.

You can disagree all you wish, but if those picks start panning out, it definitely supports the assertion that Timmins was not the problem.

timmins was part of the problem, we can sit you here all day and try to determine what percentage. I'm not interested in gonig back and forth on this. For over a decade we've been trash as developing prospects, it is gonig back befofe MB got here, it accelerated, but it's been trash for a long,long time.

 

[montreal]

The NHL won't suspend him, the OHL already handed out a suspension.

For those who actively follow him, where is he in terms of his development? Is he close to making the Canadiens? What type of player comparison are we looking at in terms of play style (not necessarily that he'll hit that level but just style of play)?

He's not ready imo, the offensive game could be but he needs a lot of work yet still defensively.

Brent Burns is a comp I like.

 

[Canadiens98]

He's not ready imo, the offensive game could be but he needs a lot of work yet still defensively.

Brent Burns is a comp I like.

Thank you!

 

[Pompeius Magnus]

He's not ready imo, the offensive game could be but he needs a lot of work yet still defensively.

Brent Burns is a comp I like.

Brent Burns has been my comp as well, especially with how many shot attempts he takes every game. Both guys just love to get the puck to the net, from pretty much everywhere in the offensive zone.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He's not ready imo, the offensive game could be but he needs a lot of work yet still defensively.

Brent Burns is a comp I like.

It’s the comp that makes the most sense. I’ve been saying the same

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

timmins was part of the problem, we can sit you here all day and try to determine what percentage. I'm not interested in gonig back and forth on this. For over a decade we've been trash as developing prospects, it is gonig back befofe MB got here, it accelerated, but it's been trash for a long,long time.

Timmins record up until MB was above average. Not great, not perfect but we drafted a lot of players who overperformed.

After MB there was… Gallagher who overperformed.

And now that MB’s gone - I’m confident it’ll come back.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Timmins record up until MB was above average. Not great, not perfect but we drafted a lot of players who overperformed.

After MB there was… Gallagher who overperformed.

And now that MB’s gone - I’m confident it’ll come back.

You haven’t said this before.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

You haven’t said this before.

We shall see sir. I’m pretty sure Timmins will have some vindication when his last group does far better.

That’s what happens when you don’t mishandle prospects. They may not all pan out but at least some will.

 

[Belial]

Timmins record up until MB was above average. Not great, not perfect but we drafted a lot of players who overperformed.

After MB there was… Gallagher who overperformed.

And now that MB’s gone - I’m confident it’ll come back.

Your Bergevin hate is on some other level lmao! Now all the dots connect...

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

He's not ready imo, the offensive game could be but he needs a lot of work yet still defensively.

Brent Burns is a comp I like.

Just as well if we give him more time. I’d like to see the practice of rushing prospects to the NHL end. In fact, I hope they return Slaf to the minors. I think a year in the AHL would help him too.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Your Bergevin hate is on some other level lmao! Now all the dots connect...

I wish him the best. Nothing I’d rather see than him landing a job with a division rival.

 

[Gillings]

I'm surprised Mr.Bettman is taking time to meet him. Hopefully he gives him the ok.

I don’t see how some people thought he wouldn’t. Or, at least, thought his chances were low. I don’t see a scenario where two top tier managers in Kent and gorton, would sign Mailloux if they didn’t have an inside scoop that, yes , Mailloux would have to jump through hoops and that yes, the NHL would virtue signal about him, but fortunately for him and hopefully the fans, his mistake won’t destroy a promising players career.

 

[Nico Cauzuki]

Knowing Bettman ways of thinking and his hate for Canadian based teams (besides TO), I would not be surprised if he gives Mailloux a long suspension before allowing him to play at NHL level.

people need to relax with Bettman thats not gonna happen Mailloux will be fine to play right away him meeting with Gary is just a pr move

 

[DAChampion]

I don't know about the business logic side of things, but ethically I think that it would be very wrong for Mailloux to get another suspension. He's already faced adequate repercussions for his actions.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

I don't know about the business logic side of things, but ethically I think that it would be very wrong for Mailloux to get another suspension. He's already faced adequate repercussions for his actions.

Not all crimes are viewed equally. The context, social perception and timing of the wrongful activity will effect how the public, the league and sponsors view the delict and what is an appropriate punishment. With the concurrent fiasco at Hockey Canada, Bettman was correctly and appropriately forced to take a harsh position with respect to Mailloux. But there is a fine line between an appropriate and unreasonable remedial response. Particularly when one is dealing with conduct of a minor. In this writer’s opinion any further sanctions imposed on Mailloux, whose conduct since the offence has apparently been exemplary, would be overreaching and would attract liability. This announced meeting, as an earlier poster noted, is pure public relations.