Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[26Mats]

Yeah, Mailloux-Ghule, if both pans out, will be the envy of many teams for years. I'm eager for camp!

I've seen propositions of Hutson-Baron on the 2nd but I feel we haven't seen the ceiling of Xhekaj and he might be a better partner for Hutson as both their game is dynamic and Xhekaj would make it clear Hutson is not to be abused.

I would rather play an Engstrom with Barron on a more cerebral second line if Engstrom pans out.

Man it's been a loong time since the habs had such nice prospects on D.... and what is not played can be traded to help other positions. (In due due time).

That 's how I have it, though until Engstrom comes over and shows what he can do in North America, I have Matheson in that spot next to Barron...

Hughes will definitely use the LD depth/overflow to acquire talent at other positions.

 

[HabsForHire]

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/06/03/bettman-rencontrera-bientot-logan-mailloux?ref=habseyesontheprize.com

 

[BJCOLLINS]

From everything I’ve read Mailloux has performed admirably both on & off the ice. The players union and Logans representation will make sure this is simply a formality. I’m certain the NHL doesn’t want to blow this up into a legal matter (if that’s even possible). Bettman can satisfy all the gossip hounds & perfect people out there, lol.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I'm surprised Mr.Bettman is taking time to meet him. Hopefully he gives him the ok.

I think it's to show the NHL has a process. Bettman will tell him what he did was a serious issue and then explain how he has worked to right his wrong and didn't just say he did like Miller and his representatives.

 

[salbutera]

I think it's to show the NHL has a process. Bettman will tell him what he did was a serious issue and then explain how he has worked to right his wrong and didn't just say he did like Miller and his representatives.

Yeah - It’s pure optics, Molson now sits on the board of governors w Jacobs & Anschutz- Bettman won’t go against Molson’s wishes…

 

[DAChampion]

He wasn't on the road to busting.

He was in a slump and not producing and the sudden turnaround is proof of that. He was being misused but the elite skill was obviously still there, players with ability, confidence and work ethic like Cole do not bust, they just have to learn to deal with adversity that they have never encountered before. There is no such thing as ruining top talents. If a player is so fragile that they can not come back from adversity then they were never going to make it. That is the number one reason for the interview process. Strength of character/resolve/resiliency are every bit traits that are different for each player and are part of their overall skillset as much as skating, shooting and IQ are. These traits have a huge impact on how teams rank prospects prior to the draft because they greatly affect the prospects likelihood of succeeding.

I've got no idea if interviews of 17 year olds are remotely effective. My own assessment from a different field is that interviews might be overrated, where a large weight is given to a short sample of time heavily influenced by nervousness, biases, and random fluctuations. A friend who works in yet another field feels the same. I wonder if interviews are just a social construct to make managers feel useful.

I do think that Cole could have been ruined. Imagine if he had continued on his one goal pace, hen had his injury, then it came time for his second contract, then he started on the 4th like again?

You call Cole a can't miss prospect, but everybody (I mean everybody) thought that about Galchenyuk. And then about Kotkaniemi.

The HR management under the Bergevin administration was just atrociously bad. My all time "favorites":

- McNiven needing to pay out of pocket in order to practice, because the organization wouldn't get him access to ice.
- McCarron being told to not score goals.
- Leblanc playing on the third line behind Stortini and Hagel.
- Desharnais playing ahead of Galchenyuk, Eller, Plekanec, etc.
- Jacob De La Rose playing on the 4th lime in the AHL.
- Nate Thompson ahead of Kotkaniemi.

 

[The Real Timo]

Yeah - It’s pure optics, Molson now sits on the board of governors w Jacobs & Anschutz- Bettman won’t go against Molson’s wishes…

Honestly... Bettman and the rest of the old boys club that probably have covered dozens of ... umm... situtations... should be the last people on earth reviewing LM's case.

 

[BJCOLLINS]

I think it's to show the NHL has a process. Bettman will tell him what he did was a serious issue and then explain how he has worked to right his wrong and didn't just say he did like Miller and his representatives.

If only the NHL had a process for the Arizona Coyotes……it’s only been 27 years?

 

[Tim Wallach]

There’s no way Bettman can deny a kid the right to play two years after the kid jumped through every hoop asked of him in the same month he allows Chicago to pick Bedard.

 

[Vachon23]

Yup, No Need for Reinbacher.

In fact I see this and we need even more Reinbacher

That’s putting a lot of pressure on Guhle since he would be the only decent defender in the top 4

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

That statement just isn't true and it reaches the apex of hyperbole. Galchenyuk fell apart because he was a terrible skater with low IQ and the speed of the game became too fast for him as it incrementally increased. His hands/shot just weren't enough to compensate, which is why he has sucked ever since. It is not possible to ruin a player, that is a fan narrative that is not accepted by NHL players/coaches etc. Permanently losing confidence is only possible in players who were going to fail anyways.

This is just flat out wrong. But I’m not going to debate it in this thread.

There is not a single teammate/coach/trainer/scout/GM that thought for one nano second that Cole was busting, it is almost comical to even suggest it.

One goal in more than half a season. Not given much in the way of ice time, playing with inferior players…. He was used all wrong and his usage showed no signs of changing.

New coach, put with Suzuki, ice time goes up… he immediately produces.

That’s not a slump. It’s a coaching/usage/confidence problem. Exactly the same as Chuck. We’ve been doing it wrong for years. We hired bullies who beat the shit out of our players and it didn’t work.

This article is timely btw: The power of positive coaching and its impact on the Stanley Cup playoffs

MSL is a lot more in line with this philosophy. We’ve seen good results already and I think it will carry over. Suddenly we’ll be able to produce prospects again.

 

[Vachon23]

I think it's a mix of Timmins bad drafting and not good development.

Like McCarron and Tinordi where terrible pick but they should at least been NHLer for us with good development.

Sherback was just a horrible pick. Even with the best development team in the history that guy would have bust. Just no character and no drive/will in him. Someone didn't make his job to have more info about his personality. Should have been traded to get immediate help when where contending

Beaulieu should have become something with good development even if he was a low IQ

Louis Leblanc should have become an NHLer even if the celling was not that high. That's all on the development team

At the end of the day though the most important thing for a player to develop will always be the player himself. You can have the best development team in the world, but if the player doesn't have the character and the drive to succeed, he will never succeed in the NHL

 

[OnTheRun]

I think it's to show the NHL has a process. Bettman will tell him what he did was a serious issue and then explain how he has worked to right his wrong and didn't just say he did like Miller and his representatives.

Yeah it really doesn't.
They should have crystal clear rules on who is eligible or not, now that just look like pure improvisation.
Same thing with Miller shadow ban, it was a player they allowed be drafted (Zona) and signed (Boston) in the first place then they come out after the facts and say "Oh btw, this guy can't play in this league".

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

By all accounts, he's done everything they asked him to do and kept himself on the straight and narrow. I can't see any reason not to give him the ok to turn pro. Should be a formality.

And this is great to see. I’m glad that he seems to have learned his lesson. Hopefully he stays on the straight and narrow going forward.

 

[salbutera]

Yeah it really doesn't.
They should have crystal clear rules on who is eligible or not, now that just look like pure improvisation.
Same thing with Miller shadow ban, it was a player they allowed be drafted (Zona) and signed (Boston) in the first place then they come out after the facts and say "Oh btw, this guy can't play in this league".

NHL is a private business they don’t have to do anything to appease any segment of the populace

 

[OnTheRun]

NHL is a private business they don’t have to do anything to appease any segment of the populace

I'm not sure how it would fall down under appeasement.

 

[Naslundforever]

https://www.tvasports.ca/2023/06/03/bettman-rencontrera-bientot-logan-mailloux?ref=habseyesontheprize.com

Good for the kid! NHL being a good corporate citizen and transparently going through the motions. No company does any of that behind closed doors anymore. (Edit - I don’t mean film the meeting in extreme close upwith low-tone voice-over saturday on tva; just make public everything is adressed, and yes it’s half pr, which is fine.)

He has not played tons of hockey since lockdown; should I expect the kid to see nhl ice sometime next season or are we log-jammed at D until injuries pile up and say an Edmunson traded?

 

[Naslundforever]

And this is great to see. I’m glad that he seems to have learned his lesson. Hopefully he stays on the straight and narrow going forward.

If anything after all this he’ll be more resilient when prompted about clutch-moment brain farts or a losing streak when media drill him Gives perspective.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Big Redemption arc , so far so good , keep on working hard young man

 

[Frank Drebin]

I sincerely hope bergevins last gift to us is a good one

 

[Vachon23]

I sincerely hope bergevins last gift to us is a good one

Technically, Marc Bergevin last player he acquired for us is Arber Xhekaj

 

[Canadienna]

Mailloux should wear a coyotes cap and Parros jersey to the interview.

More seriously though, I feel Logan has a lot of experience he'll be able to share with Bettman about the last few years.

I'm not too worried, though Bettman could always surprise.

 

[David Suzuki]

It is not possible to ruin a player, that is a fan narrative that is not accepted by NHL players/coaches etc.

can’t believe coaches say it’s always the players fault wonder if they have any motivation to say that

 

[Vachon23]

I'm not worried at all for Mailloux

Meeting Bettman is just part of the process

 

[Frank Drebin]

Technically, Marc Bergevin last player he acquired for us is Arber Xhekaj

Fair. I was meaning gift as in stunt. But xhekaj was great too