Prospect Info: Logan Mailloux Part 3 The Only Hockey Talk Thread

[themilosh]

Big difference between Beaulieu and Mailloux:

Beaulieu was always cocky and had multiple off ice problems

Mailloux had 1 really bad incident but his attitude have been perfect since he's been traded

sometimes having a real world shake up young, sets you straight. I got into a lot of trouble gambling at Casino Montreal... Lost 1 night $1,300 and truly felt like life was over (that was in 91)... result: Never lost again.. never played any casino game again (except for poker tourneys). Probably saved me thousands over the years!

 

[Vachon23]

sometimes having a real world shake up young, sets you straight. I got into a lot of trouble gambling at Casino Montreal... Lost 1 night $1,300 and truly felt like life was over (that was in 91)... result: Never lost again.. never played any casino game again (except for poker tourneys). Probably saved me thousands over the years!

Mistakes are the best teachers !

Glad for you you got out of that problem

 

[themilosh]

Mistakes are the best teachers !

Glad for you you got out of that problem

Well, i remember it vividly.. it was on Roulette (don't laugh).l second floor near the Keno area. i had a "system" you see!! Double up... i'd wait until a table produced 6 reds or blacks in a row, then start with 50$..
Long story short, the table hit 13 blacks in a row, and ofcourse they changed the dealer.. what a life lesson..
I enjoy simply gambling in a contained environment now: poker tourneys (no buy ins- just entry fee), sports pools, etc... so much more fun than a stupid game of chance.
A $200 buy in poker tourney in Vegas can take 4-5 hours to finish.. that is great value entertainment.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

Mistakes are the best teachers !

Glad for you you got out of that problem

Other people’s mistakes are the best teachers.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I liked Beaulieu especially his underrated toughness but he just kind of seemed like a meathead even by pro athlete standards. Hopefully Mailloux will not be that way as he goes through his pro career

Not for nothing but Beaulieu for all his flaws was “developed” terribly as well. Rushed to the NHL, then if you make a mistake? Boom! Here’s the bench. Therrien had one tool: the hammer. None of our young players got any real instruction on anything.

Beau was a project. Great physical tools and he needed a good coach to guide him along. We gave him the worst coach in the league.

Maybe Beau was never going to amount to much anyway. But with Therrien we made sure of it. That’s the handicap of bad coaching. Your wildcards are going to pan out far less often.

 

[schwang26]

Not for nothing but Beaulieu for all his flaws was “developed” terribly as well. Rushed to the NHL, then if you make a mistake? Boom! Here’s the bench. Therrien had one tool: the hammer. None of our young players got any real instruction on anything.

Beau was a project. Great physical tools and he needed a good coach to guide him along. We gave him the worst coach in the league.

Maybe Beau was never going to amount to much anyway. But with Therrien we made sure of it. That’s the handicap of bad coaching. Your wildcards are going to pan out far less often.

I never understood that. Benching a rookie when they had vets making ridiculous and costly plays, but THEY never got benched. It's horrible coaching.

 

[ole ole]

Logan Mailloux has just broken an absolutely crazy record in the 55-year history of the London Knights

In their 55 years of existence, the Knights have seen many good players on their team, and the Montreal Canadiens' defenseman, Logan Mailloux, has just done

www.allhabs.com

Can't wait to see him in our lineup.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Well put. The promise of the unknown future is infinitely better than the disappointment of the proven past.

As most here know, I have watched Mailloux's play with interest this past year in an attempt to gauge the progress of his development. As with Hutson (and for that matter, every prospect I have watched in my long life) there are holes in Mailloux's game. I have repeatedly referenced these deficiencies in my numerous post game analyses. In my opinion, if Mailloux can increase: his in-game conditioning; his strength on the ice and the rate at which he processes the game against superior opposition, he will be a mainstay on the defence for Montreal for the next decade or more. Those are big ifs. But such ifs apply to all prospects. No one has a crystal ball. We can only make reasonable projections. At this stage, based on Mailloux's current exhibited skill levels, it is not fanciful to project him reaching the upper levels of his potential. All in all, not a bad situation for a player taken at the bottom of the first round. Beaulieu comparison or otherwise.

My gut says Maillioux has the skill and drive to be a mainstay on the Habs dcorp for the decade. I think he pulls it off, but my only point was the logic is similar to those who are always overrating our latest prospect group.

Of course they don’t look as bad yet as the ones we know aren’t going to make it. There’s nothing special or insightful about that type of thinking. They haven’t busted yet, so of course they’re seen more positively than those who have.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

My gut says Maillioux has the skill and drive to be a mainstay on the Habs dcorp for the decade. I think he pulls it off, but my only point was the logic is similar to those who are always overrating our latest prospect group.

Of course they don’t look as bad yet as the ones we know aren’t going to make it. There’s nothing special or insightful about that type of thinking. They haven’t busted yet, so of course they’re seen more positively than those who have.

I look forward to seeing how our prospects pan out going forward. I’m in the group that thinks we’ll see a huge improvement.

It could very well be that our fanbase overrated out prospects for years - but our development was so terrible. We’ll see how we do going forward. I’m optimistic that we’ll see a big improvement.

I’ve been really happy with MSL so far. The only player I feel we’ve messed up on is Slaf. And I hope he’s in the minors this year.

 

[DinosaurBones]

Beaulieu was a better skater in every way, which is not a knock on Mailloux but it is why Nathan was being hyped as a potential top ten pick prior to the draft. I am not sure how you give Beaulieu Better defensive instincts as it is a weakness for both players and to assign an arbitrary value to each player and then attempt to split that hair seems a little far fetched.

Obviously this is just your opinion and I agree with some of it.


That is not accurate as he hard a hard shot but didn't use it enough and wasn't good at getting it through traffic.

I've found Mailloux has a better top speed, not far off, but I do think Beaulieu's edges at top speed were better. Overall skater NB was better, but I definitely like the straight line speed better (especially given size) for Mailloux but yes, just my opinion.
D-instincts were subpar for each at this age, I just found Beaulieu's were slightly better. Had to pick one. Could have went tie/not good for both but I though I'd chuck one NB's way.

Just my opinion and time will tell. I think there is more to be desired ceiling wise for Mailloux, but I was pretty high on Beaulieu at this time aswell.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

I look forward to seeing how our prospects pan out going forward. I’m in the group that thinks we’ll see a huge improvement.

It could very well be that our fanbase overrated out prospects for years - but our development was so terrible. We’ll see how we do going forward. I’m optimistic that we’ll see a big improvement.

I’ve been really happy with MSL so far. The only player I feel we’ve messed up on is Slaf. And I hope he’s in the minors this year.

We’re finishing in the basement year after year, we should. If we don’t then our group is worse than the one MB was leading and I don’t think that will be the case.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

We’re finishing in the basement year after year, we should. If we don’t then our group is worse than the one MB was leading and I don’t think that will be the case.

We had good prospects who were expected to turn into decent players and it never happened. Before MB and co. came in, we were punching above our weight in development. They showed up and it came crashing down. Now they’re gone and -as I’ve predicted for years- I expect we’ll see our picks pan out a lot better.

We’ll see what happens in the future and I’m not just talking about our first rounders.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We had good prospects who were expected to turn into decent players and it never happened. Before MB and co. came in, we were punching above our weight in development. They showed up and it came crashing down. Now they’re gone and -as I’ve predicted for years- I expect we’ll see our picks pan out a lot better.

We’ll see what happens in the future and I’m not just talking about our first rounders.

I don’t think development was their strong suit, but there was a lot more wrong than that. It started with skeletor cutting scouts etc. I think TT had an edge on most scouts early on, but the game changed and he didn’t change fast enough.

Drafting and developing has been an issue.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I don’t think development was their strong suit, but there was a lot more wrong than that. It started with skeletor cutting scouts etc. I think TT had an edge on most scouts early on, but the game changed and he didn’t change fast enough.

Drafting and developing has been an issue.

We’ll see.

It won’t surprise me in the least if we start to see the tail end of TT’s picks pan out.

Look at Caufield, he was in his way to busting. MSL came in and he instantly becomes a top flight scorer. There will be others I’m sure. All of a sudden we’ll start to produce players again.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

We’ll see.

It won’t surprise me in the least if we start to see the tail end of TT’s picks pan out.

Look at Caufield, he was in his way to busting. MSL came in and he instantly becomes a top flight scorer. There will be others I’m sure. All of a sudden we’ll start to produce players again.

CC wasn’t going to bust imo, he might have gone the route of KK though. Been really under appreciated, under utilized and get the freak out at the first chance possible, but the elite guys almost always overcome the bad development. It’s the fringe players or the players that require some motivation or routine that really need the guidance. Nothing would have kept cc down forever.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

CC wasn’t going to bust imo, he might have gone the route of KK though. Been really under appreciated, under utilized and get the freak out at the first chance possible, but the elite guys almost always overcome the bad development. It’s the fringe players or the players that require some motivation or routine that really need the guidance. Nothing would have kept cc down forever.

He had one goal all season. There was no indication of it changing. He was saved by Ducharme’s firing. And the very moment MSL took over he paced for close to 50 goals. It doesn’t get more stark than that.

Very similar to the Galchenyuk situation. When he was used as our number one, the whole team’s offense improved. And his usage in 2015-16 was inexplicable. Leblanc was a can’t miss prospect - until we crushed him.

It wasn’t just Hab fans thinking we had good prospects btw. After many of those drafts I’d read articles on how Montreal did really really well at the draft table and nothing would ever come from it.

So yeah, let’s see how those late Timmins’ picks do with a new regime developing them. I predicted that we’ll see an improvement and we already have. Hopefully some of these late TT picks like Mailloux pan out. Caufield already has.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

He had one goal all season. There was no indication of it changing. He was saved by Ducharme’s firing. And the very moment MSL took over he paced for close to 50 goals. It doesn’t get more stark than that.

Very similar to the Galchenyuk situation. When he was used as our number one, the whole team’s offense improved. And his usage in 2015-16 was inexplicable. Leblanc was a can’t miss prospect - until we crushed him.

It wasn’t just Hab fans thinking we had good prospects btw. After many of those drafts I’d read articles on how Montreal did really really well at the draft table and nothing would ever come from it.

So yeah, let’s see how those late Timmins’ picks do with a new regime developing them. I predicted that we’ll see an improvement and we already have. Hopefully some of these late TT picks like Mailloux pan out. Caufield already has.

As you know KK was doing quite well initially under Ducharme. Nothing really changed, players go through ups and downs. I’m not defending DD, he might be the worst coach I’ve seen, but his coaching didn’t radically change in a few months. It just didn’t.

I don’t agree on Leblanc, he was the definition of meh. No elite skills, and looked remarkably average on a bottom feeder, but he was part of the problem of why we sucked. We didn’t help him, but he was never going to amount to much.

Galchenyuk was handled pretty poorly, I thought it would get better with CJ, but it possible got worse.

Predicting an improvement while we basement dwellers isn’t really saying much. Timmins, has faults, I mean he drafted McCarron, Tinordi and even traded up to get him haha, Connor crisp etc.

I don’t think timmins was at the top of the list of problems, but I’m glad we moved on.

 

[The Great Weal]

As you know KK was doing quite well initially under Ducharme. Nothing really changed, players go through ups and downs. I’m not defending DD, he might be the worst coach I’ve seen, but his coaching didn’t radically change in a few months. It just didn’t.

I don’t agree on Leblanc, he was the definition of meh. No elite skills, and looked remarkably average on a bottom feeder, but he was part of the problem of why we sucked. We didn’t help him, but he was never going to amount to much.

Galchenyuk was handled pretty poorly, I thought it would get better with CJ, but it possible got worse.

Predicting an improvement while we basement dwellers isn’t really saying much. Timmins, has faults, I mean he drafted McCarron, Tinordi and even traded up to get him haha, Connor crisp etc.

I don’t think timmins was at the top of the list of problems, but I’m glad we moved on.

This is especially after how good Caufield looked under Ducharme in the playoffs. Slumps happen and I don't think it's fair to say that it was 100% Ducharme's fault that Caufield forgot how to shoot the puck, the guy was fumbling on everything which was a confidence issue (which Ducharme did not help him out on).

The Galchenyuk talk is so silly to me. Yes I can admit I was wrong when I thought we held him back but the truth is he was at his best with us before playing for 20 other teams. There is no reason for him not to be a good top 6 winger like he was with us, and he mostly played with Plekanec and Gallagher who are pretty good linemates.

Although I do think Timmins was at the top of the list of problems, it takes a whole new level of bad to be the only team in the league not to draft a player that scored 70 points in a season since 2003.

 

[EveryDay]

He's been name on the 2nd all team in the OHL.

 

[JohnTheBaptist]

8 goals and 24 points in 21 playoff games.. wow.

Thanks Bergevin, this is a nice parting gift. But we still dislike your body of work.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

As you know KK was doing quite well initially under Ducharme. Nothing really changed, players go through ups and downs. I’m not defending DD, he might be the worst coach I’ve seen, but his coaching didn’t radically change in a few months. It just didn’t.

Yes, players go through ups and downs. But it’s a stark difference. The usage of the player was night and day. For whatever reason DD seemed to have no confidence in CC. And even if that’s not the case he was still badly misused for whatever the reason.

I don’t agree on Leblanc, he was the definition of meh. No elite skills, and looked remarkably average on a bottom feeder, but he was part of the problem of why we sucked. We didn’t help him, but he was never going to amount to much.

I don’t think anyone thought LL was going to be a star player. But almost everyone thought he’d be an NHLer. He was very highly regarded. And it’s well documented what happened to him. His treatment was inexcusable and reveals a very broken culture at the minor league level.

And even if a prospect could survive that gong show, he then had to come to the NHL and go through Therrien. God awful. Montreal became a place where prospects go to die.

Galchenyuk was handled pretty poorly, I thought it would get better with CJ, but it possible got worse.

Yes.

Predicting an improvement while we basement dwellers isn’t really saying much.

?

One group of prospects consistently drowned. If the next group does much better. I’d say it definitely reveals a lot about the holes in the team’s development systems during MB’s tenure.

Timmins’ picks are pretty good… right up until MB shows up. Then suddenly we get little out of the ensuing drafts. It drops off a cliff. If we see a rebound with the next regime (particularly if we see it in Timmins’ later picks) then it’s a serious indictment on how we ran things.

Timmins, has faults, I mean he drafted McCarron, Tinordi and even traded up to get him haha, Connor crisp etc.

I don’t think timmins was at the top of the list of problems, but I’m glad we moved on.

I’m not absolving Timmins of everything. But he was unfairly maligned by many. Before MB a lot of his picks panned out. After? We got zero.

And the thing is, as fans we really only notice the more well known prospects. We only notice how badly Chuck was used because we’re paying attention to him. Ditto with LL. It was probably even worse for mid round guys trying to make it. The usage on our best prospects was inexplicable - imagine what it’s be like as a mid range prospect. Even if you survive the frying pan of the minors you had to go through the fire of Therrien. It was a recipe for disaster.

Look at Beaulieu. He gets blasted for a low IQ. And it’s deserved because he made some boneheaded plays. But he had an awesome skill set. He needed a coach. So what do we do? Rush him to the NHL. He plays a shift, makes a mistake and gets benched. Repeat for infinity….

Once again, maybe he was NEVER going to be a solid NHL. But we made sure that he wouldn’t. We took his biggest weakness and made it worse by destroying his confidence.

This was a recurring theme. We just beat the shit out of our prospects and it created a toxic culture.

 

[GammaAway]

Yes, players go through ups and downs. But it’s a stark difference. The usage of the player was night and day. For whatever reason DD seemed to have no confidence in CC. And even if that’s not the case he was still badly misused for whatever the reason.

I don’t think anyone thought LL was going to be a star player. But almost everyone thought he’d be an NHLer. He was very highly regarded. And it’s well documented what happened to him. His treatment was inexcusable and reveals a very broken culture at the minor league level.

And even if a prospect could survive that gong show, he then had to come to the NHL and go through Therrien. God awful. Montreal became a place where prospects go to die.

Yes.

?

One group of prospects consistently drowned. If the next group does much better. I’d say it definitely reveals a lot about the holes in the team’s development systems during MB’s tenure.

Timmins’ picks are pretty good… right up until MB shows up. Then suddenly we get little out of the ensuing drafts. It drops off a cliff. If we see a rebound with the next regime (particularly if we see it in Timmins’ later picks) then it’s a serious indictment on how we ran things.

I’m not absolving Timmins of everything. But he was unfairly maligned by many. Before MB a lot of his picks panned out. After? We got zero.

And the thing is, as fans we really only notice the more well known prospects. We only notice how badly Chuck was used because we’re paying attention to him. Ditto with LL. It was probably even worse for mid round guys trying to make it. The usage on our best prospects was inexplicable - imagine what it’s be like as a mid range prospect. Even if you survive the frying pan of the minors you had to go through the fire of Therrien. It was a recipe for disaster.

Look at Beaulieu. He gets blasted for a low IQ. And it’s deserved because he made some boneheaded plays. But he had an awesome skill set. He needed a coach. So what do we do? Rush him to the NHL. He plays a shift, makes a mistake and gets benched. Repeat for infinity….

Once again, maybe he was NEVER going to be a solid NHL. But we made sure that he wouldn’t. We took his biggest weakness and made it worse by destroying his confidence.

This was a recurring theme. We just beat the shit out of our prospects and it created a toxic culture.

I mean, Beaulieu had his best hockey playing with Gonchar, who transitioned to defense development coach and assistant coach in the following seasons.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

Yes, players go through ups and downs. But it’s a stark difference. The usage of the player was night and day. For whatever reason DD seemed to have no confidence in CC. And even if that’s not the case he was still badly misused for whatever the reason.

I don’t think anyone thought LL was going to be a star player. But almost everyone thought he’d be an NHLer. He was very highly regarded. And it’s well documented what happened to him. His treatment was inexcusable and reveals a very broken culture at the minor league level.

And even if a prospect could survive that gong show, he then had to come to the NHL and go through Therrien. God awful. Montreal became a place where prospects go to die.

Yes.

?

One group of prospects consistently drowned. If the next group does much better. I’d say it definitely reveals a lot about the holes in the team’s development systems during MB’s tenure.

Timmins’ picks are pretty good… right up until MB shows up. Then suddenly we get little out of the ensuing drafts. It drops off a cliff. If we see a rebound with the next regime (particularly if we see it in Timmins’ later picks) then it’s a serious indictment on how we ran things.

I’m not absolving Timmins of everything. But he was unfairly maligned by many. Before MB a lot of his picks panned out. After? We got zero.

And the thing is, as fans we really only notice the more well known prospects. We only notice how badly Chuck was used because we’re paying attention to him. Ditto with LL. It was probably even worse for mid round guys trying to make it. The usage on our best prospects was inexplicable - imagine what it’s be like as a mid range prospect. Even if you survive the frying pan of the minors you had to go through the fire of Therrien. It was a recipe for disaster.

Look at Beaulieu. He gets blasted for a low IQ. And it’s deserved because he made some boneheaded plays. But he had an awesome skill set. He needed a coach. So what do we do? Rush him to the NHL. He plays a shift, makes a mistake and gets benched. Repeat for infinity….

Once again, maybe he was NEVER going to be a solid NHL. But we made sure that he wouldn’t. We took his biggest weakness and made it worse by destroying his confidence.

This was a recurring theme. We just beat the shit out of our prospects and it created a toxic culture.

I don’t disagree with much of what you’re saying. I was huge timmins fan for years. In fact, when he was promoted to AGM, I think he might have a positive impact on MB. It seemed his philosophy changed a bit, but the results speak for themselves. You would expect the odd home run like Subban who can drown out the poor development decisions, we had almost nothing for a decade. The track record was brutal.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I mean, Beaulieu had his best hockey playing with Gonchar, who transitioned to defense development coach and assistant coach in the following seasons.

It doesn’t matter who your defense coach if the guy managing the bench pulls you out of the game after every mistake you make.

Thats what I like about MSL. He’s not perfect but he’s far more patient with younger players in the whole.

 

[DinosaurBones]

I think a Guhle - Mailloux pairing fits perfectly.
Both such smooth skaters, and big/not afraid to be big is the important part.
The hockey sense in both ends of the ice from KG leads to offense and takes care of any blunders on the D end from Mailloux, but Mailloux could put up 20G a year in his prime on the back end which is wild.
Follow that with Hutson and any of the rest of our stud D coming up/that will be drafted or traded for.
FUN