OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART IV... Seriously, local only

[Xspyrit]

The anti vaxxers are not going away. They belong to two groups
1) those that genuinely fear or otherwise oppose the vaccine (my guess 5-10% of society)
2) those looking to vent, to be contrarians, to transform the argument from "science and covid" to "social upheaval and left/right politics".. The Truckers had among them a large group of radical activists that simply piggy backed on this issue. In fact the unvaccinated truckers may have been as little as 10% of the total trucker community.

If anyone believes that our life is falling part (covid wise) thanks to 10% unvaccinated people. Please!! Now you address the science.

here is science. Per the Ontario government web site
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almost 88% of all people over 70 have had a 3rd shot. yet they are still the principal victims of this virus

per the Ontario Public Health
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take a look at who is dying. this number skews even more if they separated the 70-79.

per the governments web site
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take a look at who is dying

The government, does not want to aggravate things, but I would venture that hospitalization is equally skewed, above 70, younger than 70.

And so, get mad at your government(s) for not dealing with them in specific manner. Get mad at life because it gave us a SELECTIVE virus. And we are angry because we feel some 25 year old is hurting us..when he is not.

What is hurting us? Our bodies do not retain immunity as we age...It is how we die to begin with. What is hurting us? The drug developers made a drug that works great on 4-69 year olds, but appears to be poor on 70 and above.

I never fully understand your posts, I'm not sure exactly why... maybe because English is not my first language but at the same time, I read scientific articles in English so it shouldn't be. Anyway, not digging into this deeply as we have family activities this week (sliding today, going to see movies tomorrow, "winter zoo" etc on friday)

Of course death for younger people have dropped even more, The vaccine WORKS. Like I explained in my last post, if you're under 80 y/o in a country like Canada, you can still be considered young (as it's UNDER life expectancy). Since the beginning of this pandemic, 39% of covid casualties were under 80 y/o, it's pretty significant. No it doesn't only kill old people.

If you're young and vaccinated, you should be totally safe, but you should also still make an effort to not spread this thing. That's what I do, still nobody got it from my home and we work/go out/go to school/daycare

This is a wrong way of presenting things. The real question is how many people who are over 70 would succumb to this virus if they were not vaccinated. I guarantee you the number would be way higher than this. It's also the catch 22, if all measures are working as they should then people will say that we overreacted and virus is not that strong, because the dying percentage is low. But you know all this...

People lack "imagination", it's easy to imagine that without masks, social distancing and capacity restrictions, as well as the vaccine, we would have seen a lot more deaths, a lot more people with sequels and a health system completely crashing down so it would have required the army intervention to avoid anarchic repercussions.

 

[Beech]

I don't think there is such thing as an age specific vaccine, but am all for finding a better protection in general, or meds that will help in case you get sick, definitely. The problem is not with the 25 year old. I think most "kids" who are in their 20s are vaccinated. I honestly think (from my own experience) is that the age group of the people who are not vaccinated because (Bill Gates, experiments, aliens etc.) are mostly in a 35-50 group. But I might be wrong, this is just my personal experience.

re-read the posts. This is a government web site (COVID-19 vaccinations data)

from 45% to 61% (30's to 50's) have had a 3rd shot
from 87.6% to 89.3% have had 2 shots and are considered fully vaccinated

Are we suggesting that this province's issues are with ~ 10.7-12.4% of 30-59 year olds unvaccinated???? NO...it is with my heart today (age: late 50's) not being as strong as it was 2o year ago and in another 20 years will need medication just to keep ticking...and so, if in 20 years another virus comes around, who knows if I get it and survive. But it would be unlikely that some 30 year old, being of as little as 10% unvaccinated, was the reason.

200,000 years of human evolution led us to an 84 year life expectancy, with the last 15 years being downward slopes. I am way closer to it than I like.

 

[Beech]

I never fully understand your posts, I'm not sure exactly why... maybe because English is not my first language but at the same time, I read scientific articles in English so it shouldn't be. Anyway, not digging into this deeply as we have family activities this week (sliding today, going to see movies tomorrow, "winter zoo" etc on friday)

Of course death for younger people have dropped even more, The vaccine WORKS. Like I explained in my last post, if you're under 80 y/o in a country like Canada, you can still be considered young (as it's UNDER life expectancy). Since the beginning of this pandemic, 39% of covid casualties were under 80 y/o, it's pretty significant. No it doesn't only kill old people.

If you're young and vaccinated, you should be totally safe, but you should also still make an effort to not spread this thing. That's what I do, still nobody got it from my home and we work/go out/go to school/daycare

it was never high
in Dec 14 of 2021 younger than 69 ~ 2000 deaths
Feb 28 of 2022 younger than 69 ~ 2300 deaths

tested cases ~ Dec 14 of younger than 69, 602,000 cases
tested cases ~ Feb 28 , 922297 (the government had stopped testing)

% = .033%
% = 0.025%..probably lower since testing slowed.

Notice how small???

Now feel free to do for the 70 plus....It is about 10X higher for the 70-79, about 20 X for the 80's and about 50 X for the 90's.

these numbers never changed. We knew them way back when..If we let the people know, it would have caused such a division (younger than 70, older than 70) we would have destroyed society.

we now know them., we need to leave young people alone. Read some of my posts to Union2017

 

[jbeck5]

Not a big religious person myself, but some people are and that's what they say.... is that all you took out of the entire post? Discussion about God? Cause we can open a new thread about that.

Lmao, no no. It's the only part that stood out though. Thought it was funny.

 

[Union2017]

Lmao, no no. It's the only part that stood out though. Thought it was funny.

Fair enough. I just respect that some folks might be religious, I don't necessarily make fun of them for that. After all, (not to change the subject of this topic) can you realistically prove that they are wrong? I am agnostic mostly, I think. 48 years old and still not closer to the truth.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Just read todays Local CTV website report on Covid (COVID-19 hospitalizations in Ottawa decline Wednesday), and noted that there are now ZERO people in ICU for COVID.

Very good news.

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Fair enough. I just respect that some folks might be religious, I don't necessarily make fun of them for that. After all, (not to change the subject of this topic) can you realistically prove that they are wrong? I am agnostic mostly, I think. 48 years old and still not closer to the truth.

Easy rule of thumb when searching for something; it's always the last place you look.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

TD Place and OSEG following suit in no longer requiring proof of vaccination.

Hope that doesn't apply retroactively to tickets purchased when that was still a requirement. I'm super jazzed for the Billy Talent/Rise Against show in early April, but a lack of verification would give me some doubts.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

 

[Beech]

man, I took a bath from everyone over my numbers.

I had 10 x for Omicron for weeks.

good news, but it may not help the elderly. Unless they can be certain that the 10 x is also in the 60 and above, it still leaves them vulnerable.

@FunkySeeFunkyDoo ...there is your answer

 

[JD1]

Is 10x a good thing? Sounds bad. On the other hand, take the hospitalization rate and divide it by 10.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Is 10x a good thing? Sounds bad. On the other hand, take the hospitalization rate and divide it by 10.

I think it’s good thing in the sense that it’s building herd immunity which should help us going forward and that for the overwhelming majority omicron is similar to the common cold.

 

[JimmySpaetzle]

I mean hey look at me: tested positive on a rapid test yesterday but am ineligible for a PCR test and therefore won’t ever be included in the case counts

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Read Tim Blaine’s column in todays Ottawa Sun, talking about how the removal of Covid mandates are making some people feel “uncomfortable”.. when local Ottawa sporting events are going to be allowed full capacity, and no require any proof of vaccination.


“You’ve got people who just aren’t comfortable. I’m tripled vaccinated, I’ll hang around with people who are triple vaccinated. I wear my mask almost everywhere I go. I’ve got a mom in a retirement residence so I’m particularly careful because I know I’m going to be going into that residence. You have a segment of the population that feels like by following rules and guidelines and being responsible, they’ve sacrificed already and they’re p—ed off other people who haven’t are now able to attend events. I don’t know there’s a 100 per cent right and wrong. And we’ll continue to rely on our health authorities for guidance.”


I go back to the point of the muddled messages we’ve been receiving over the past two years, and how many people have conflated “unvaccinated “ with “infected” and can’t wrap their heads around the proven facts of..

1. The vaccine does NOT prevent infection or transmission
2. Anyone sitting beside you at a RedBlacks or Senators game, regardless of their vaccination status is potentially infected ( with Covid ) and or able to spread covid.
3. If you’ve been vaccinated, it should not matter to you what the status of the person next to you is…. They could be infected and not know it, you can only protect yourself to whatever level you’re comfortable with, I they show you their proof of vaccination, you may “feel” comfortable, but it’s meaningless…

OSEG PUSHES AHEAD: Some won't be happy as sports organizations open doors to everybody | Ottawa Sun

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Read Tim Blaine’s column in todays Ottawa Sun, talking about how the removal of Covid mandates are making some people feel “uncomfortable”.. when local Ottawa sporting events are going to be allowed full capacity, and no require any proof of vaccination.


“You’ve got people who just aren’t comfortable. I’m tripled vaccinated, I’ll hang around with people who are triple vaccinated. I wear my mask almost everywhere I go. I’ve got a mom in a retirement residence so I’m particularly careful because I know I’m going to be going into that residence. You have a segment of the population that feels like by following rules and guidelines and being responsible, they’ve sacrificed already and they’re p—ed off other people who haven’t are now able to attend events. I don’t know there’s a 100 per cent right and wrong. And we’ll continue to rely on our health authorities for guidance.”


I go back to the point of the muddled messages we’ve been receiving over the past two years, and how many people have conflated “unvaccinated “ with “infected” and can’t wrap their heads around the proven facts of..

1. The vaccine does NOT prevent infection or transmission
2. Anyone sitting beside you at a RedBlacks or Senators game, regardless of their vaccination status is potentially infected ( with Covid ) and or able to spread covid.
3. If you’ve been vaccinated, it should not matter to you what the status of the person next to you is…. They could be infected and not know it, you can only protect yourself to whatever level you’re comfortable with, I they show you their proof of vaccination, you may “feel” comfortable, but it’s meaningless…

OSEG PUSHES AHEAD: Some won't be happy as sports organizations open doors to everybody | Ottawa Sun

At this point if you're triple vaxxed and worried that being in a stadium of 20,000 people that some there might not be vaccinated you should just stay home. People need to access their own comfort level and understand the world isnt going to cater specifically to you.

 

[Qward]

Is 10x a good thing? Sounds bad. On the other hand, take the hospitalization rate and divide it by 10.

It is showing that the virus is getting weaker, but more easily transmissible. That is good for the evolution of the virus because the weaker one will become the dominant strain which we can handle with vaccines.

The negative side is that the world is not vaccinated yet and a more dominant variant could pop up in a third world country then spread all over the world. Again.

 

[PoutineSp00nZ]

At this point if you're triple vaxxed and worried that being in a stadium of 20,000 people that some there might not be vaccinated you should just stay home. People need to access their own comfort level and understand the world isnt going to cater specifically to you.

It is what it is at this point. The lockdowns and mandates were never going to last forever, and variants of this virus will never go away.

Time to go back to our lives, and individuals can do whatever feels right for them.

Went to the movies last night, no vaccine checks, full capacity. Just wore masks until we got to our seats.

 

[Qward]

People forget SARS is still around.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

It's kinda surreal at this point.

We could have nukes flying overhead any day now, and people are still screaming at each other over wearing masks and vaxx passports. If covid and being a first strike target doesn't get us, climate change will in a few years. Makes you wonder how we screwed up so badly to get to this point.

 

[Micklebot]

People forget SARS is still around.

The last recorded case of SARS cov-1 was 2004 when a sample in a lab escaped and 9 cases were confirmed.

 

[Xspyrit]

I go back to the point of the muddled messages we’ve been receiving over the past two years, and how many people have conflated “unvaccinated “ with “infected” and can’t wrap their heads around the proven facts of..

1. The vaccine does NOT prevent infection or transmission
2. Anyone sitting beside you at a RedBlacks or Senators game, regardless of their vaccination status is potentially infected ( with Covid ) and or able to spread covid.
3. If you’ve been vaccinated, it should not matter to you what the status of the person next to you is…. They could be infected and not know it, you can only protect yourself to whatever level you’re comfortable with, I they show you their proof of vaccination, you may “feel” comfortable, but it’s meaningless…

Admittedly, I don't watch TV/news and barely know who politicians are so I don't know how much "muddled" messages were. I don't find it has been very hard to follow personally. We obviously had to be as careful as possible until there was a vaccine to save as many lives as possible, then as the vaccine was proven, we were gradually able to take control of our life back. I personally have been living (almost fully) normally for a while. Had to stop playing hockey and going to movies/restaurants for 2 months but not that huge of a deal for me.

Vaccinated people are totally aware of these points, or they should. It's things that have been known for a while now. I'm exhausted by the number of family activities we have done this week... Went sliding, walking dogs, went to the zoo, to movies, scientific center, botanical garden... there was some places with a lot of people. You can still go and have fun, the mask is annoying but that's it. We are still careful and don't go out of our way to catch the virus. Nobody wants to get that crap, it's very simple.

Of course, people that are more at risk due to their health/age should be more cautious, also something everyone knows. But this "total freedom" we'll witness after passports and masks was just NOT doable during the Omicron peak, the health system simply just couldn't afford it. We have already pushed it to the maximum

Is this really understood by all the people who are "up in arms"?

At this point if you're triple vaxxed and worried that being in a stadium of 20,000 people that some there might not be vaccinated you should just stay home. People need to access their own comfort level and understand the world isnt going to cater specifically to you.

If you're triple vaccinated and are not very old/don't have health problems, you are quite safe. It's been like that for a while already. I think people are mistaken because of government restrictions, which were mainly used to maintain a level of control over the healthy system. We're a microscopic country, of course we don't have the personnel, resources and infrastructures to afford having too many people sick at the same time. Now that it's going down, restrictions are lifted.

Our body has been trained, the vaccine has done its job. Hopefully more people finally take the vaccine so more lives are saved in the end. Enough people have already "sacrificed" their lives for the good of a political agenda.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

I tested positive on a PCR in mid Jan and now tested positive on a rapid test today. COVID twice in 6 weeks? Symptoms both times.

You may test positive for up to like 90 days. If the virus is colonized you may no longer be infectious, but test positive. I'm not an expert in this field, but it isn't unheard of.

Getting COVID x 2 different infections I'm not sure how often and in what time frame that can happen

 

[ACLEVERNAME]

Didn't you feel safer with the vaxx-pass in place? Knowing everyone around you lived their life just like you?

Maybe a new variant will materialize in a few months so we can finally get back to normal.

 

[JD1]

Didn't you feel safer with the vaxx-pass in place? Knowing everyone around you lived their life just like you?

Maybe a new variant will materialize in a few months so we can finally get back to normal.

I went out last night after the game for a bite and a few pops. Couldn't get a seat at 7 pm. Packed house. Gangs of young people, middle aged couple dining in groups, a few large multi generation gatherings, and live music started around 830. It's back to business as usual.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

I went out last night after the game for a bite and a few pops. Couldn't get a seat at 7 pm. Packed house. Gangs of young people, middle aged couple dining in groups, a few large multi generation gatherings, and live music started around 830. It's back to business as usual.

My wife and I went out for dinner at a nice restaurant and it was also packed. Only real noticeable thing re COVID is that the servers were wearing masks.

At this point the only metric that matters is ICU occupancy. If that spikes we will see restrictions return .... otherwise, this whole thing is done.