OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART IV... Seriously, local only

[Golden_Jet]

Remember when this you to be a Covid forum.

 

[aragorn]

Just got back from White Lake just outside Arnprior & went past a farmers field where the farmer had cleared out the snow & created a couple big parking lots in his field for the Convoy people. I would not have noticed it until I saw a couple of F**K You Trudeau flags flapping in the wind as I went by. I asked my friends about it & they said that's where they ended up after getting run out of town.

I heard they headed to the Attrim Truck Stop on Highway 417, but now are gathered in a field down the road. It's a skelton of it's former self though with a couple of pickup trucks & campers, a handful of cars & some toilets & no semis when I went passed. Still a few people walking around talking to each other & nothing more.

 

[Taluss]

Finally starting to go back to normal.

 

[DrEasy]

Finally starting to go back to normal.

Now we can catch the stomach bug from the players!

 

[cudi]

Now we can catch the stomach bug from the players!

been trying to lose some weight, just gotta get close to Chabot

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Have new guidelines come out re Covid. seeing the charts about 10% of those being tested test positive.
With things loosening up and obvious other viruses happening .. are we still to assume we have covid if we have cold/flu symptoms? Are we still to follow the isolate for 5 days , 10 days if unvaxxed protocol?
Testing was stopped at the height of Omicron because they could not keep up with the volume . Is that still the case? Is testing available again?
Back when this first started 10% would have been a major problem.
Are there new guidelines out for this transition to .. "just deal with it" or we just wing it.

 

[Billy Bridges]

Have new guidelines come out re Covid. seeing the charts about 10% of those being tested test positive.
With things loosening up and obvious other viruses happening .. are we still to assume we have covid if we have cold/flu symptoms? Are we still to follow the isolate for 5 days , 10 days if unvaxxed protocol?
Testing was stopped at the height of Omicron because they could not keep up with the volume . Is that still the case? Is testing available again?
Back when this first started 10% would have been a major problem.
Are there new guidelines out for this transition to .. "just deal with it" or we just wing it.

 

[JimmyApples]

Just got back from White Lake just outside Arnprior & went past a farmers field where the farmer had cleared out the snow & created a couple big parking lots in his field for the Convoy people. I would not have noticed it until I saw a couple of F**K You Trudeau flags flapping in the wind as I went by. I asked my friends about it & they said that's where they ended up after getting run out of town.

I heard they headed to the Attrim Truck Stop on Highway 417, but now are gathered in a field down the road. It's a skelton of it's former self though with a couple of pickup trucks & campers, a handful of cars & some toilets & no semis when I went passed. Still a few people walking around talking to each other & nothing more.

A bunch of trucks were impounded and they are just getting them back. I saw a YouTube video and they left their windows open so their cars are snowed in, everything personal ruined and the trucks won’t even start.

 

[Tuna99]

A bunch of trucks were impounded and they are just getting them back. I saw a YouTube video and they left their windows open so their cars are snowed in, everything personal ruined and the trucks won’t even start.

could be normal for the battery to be dead after you’ve been blaring your horn for 3 weeks and someone has been living in the sleeping area and you got impounded. If they intentionally put the windows down that’s petty, but when you get impounded there’s all sorts of chains and doors and windows that need to be open so could be an honest part of the job, so I guess don’t get impounded after illegal parking on Wellington for 3 weeks if you don’t want that to happen

but feeling like a victim is very on point for these guys

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

A bunch of trucks were impounded and they are just getting them back. I saw a YouTube video and they left their windows open so their cars are snowed in, everything personal ruined and the trucks won’t even start.

They smashed the Windows to get in... Check before towing.

 

[Beech]

Have new guidelines come out re Covid. seeing the charts about 10% of those being tested test positive.
With things loosening up and obvious other viruses happening .. are we still to assume we have covid if we have cold/flu symptoms? Are we still to follow the isolate for 5 days , 10 days if unvaxxed protocol?
Testing was stopped at the height of Omicron because they could not keep up with the volume . Is that still the case? Is testing available again?
Back when this first started 10% would have been a major problem.
Are there new guidelines out for this transition to .. "just deal with it" or we just wing it.

how do you hold the ocean back with a bucket? This thing is now a deadlier and faster spreading flu. Where do you begin to try and control it and stop it? While deadlier, it is not globally deadlier, but selectively so. And while deadlier than the flu, it is not in the "cataclysmic" stage where we fear it wiping us out.

If you think that efforts similar to the last 2 years are sustainable, you are dreaming. As with the flu, this thing is now a "me issue". All of us have to protect ourselves independent of the person next to us.

Asses your risk: Age and vulnerability and act accordingly.

So if people do not isolate, you have to be mindful of that and if you are a high risk, it is up to you to shield yourself.

In January of 2022, covid shifted from an "us problem" to a "you problem". The quicker that people understand that and make the necessary adjustments, the better.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Have new guidelines come out re Covid. seeing the charts about 10% of those being tested test positive.
With things loosening up and obvious other viruses happening .. are we still to assume we have covid if we have cold/flu symptoms? Are we still to follow the isolate for 5 days , 10 days if unvaxxed protocol?
Testing was stopped at the height of Omicron because they could not keep up with the volume . Is that still the case? Is testing available again?
Back when this first started 10% would have been a major problem.
Are there new guidelines out for this transition to .. "just deal with it" or we just wing it.

I would treat every illness or sickness now and in the future like covid. As soon as you feel ill, stay home, isolate, and take care of yourself. Give yourself a good week at least to get better. And push to make this standard in all workplaces.

 

[Beech]

I would treat every illness or sickness now and in the future like covid. As soon as you feel ill, stay home, isolate, and take care of yourself. Give yourself a good week at least to get better. And push to make this standard in all workplaces.

Nac Mac, I think you are in HR..Maybe I am wrong. So you would know way better.

But what you are proposing is difficult. It lends itself too abuse. At present, most private work places allow you up to two days off, by day 3, you have to provide a Doctor's note. This is to make sure that people don't supplement their 2-5 week vacations with a further 2-3 weeks of "I was sick".

I don't know what government(s) is like?

If we apply your recommendation, all you do is give people vacations...It will be an invitation to everyone to abuse the system. If you try and correct by adding the Doctor's note after 2 days, Now you could be asking a truly sick person, to get to a Doctor to get a note and thus spread the disease. If you correct by making it unpaid, WAH !!! Now we have problems and we have people going in when sick.

I am not sure how we will handle this next year (fall 2022, winter 2023). There will be waves of this virus for years and I am not sure how we will stop it. It returns us to my point to Sens of A. , the problem is a "me problem" and we will have to endure and adapt and adjust as best as we can.

 

[Xspyrit]

In short, if someone is reading this that has not received three doses of mRNA vaccine, we implore them to do so. It is the quickest and most reliable way to protect yourself against the most infectious virus in recent memory.

Is there really still people against the vaccine? Or is this all a big lie? I keep hearing about "truth". I even have some people calling me to help them because they have "friends" harassing them about this "truth"...


Why not go for this while we're at it?

 

[Beech]

In short, if someone is reading this that has not received three doses of mRNA vaccine, we implore them to do so. It is the quickest and most reliable way to protect yourself against the most infectious virus in recent memory.

Is there really still people against the vaccine? Or is this all a big lie? I keep hearing about "truth". I even have some people calling me to help them because they have "friends" harassing them about this "truth"...


Why not go for this while we're at it?

Xpirit,

we are continuing to debate old debates. And to what end?

The Vaccine was first talked about in the summer of 2020. Almost instantly, it had its detractors.
By November of 2020, it was announced an approval followed swiftly. The detractors remained and as it was now a reality, their numbers swelled.
It has been 14 months since approval and first use, the detractors have dwindled, but not disappeared. Those not vaccinated are down to a small percentage.
In the meantime, we have seen the mutation to Omicron and seemingly other variants, but Omicron remains dominant.

Omicorn has transformed this into a "flu like endemic". Deadlier than the flu, by probably 3 to 5 fold and way faster spreading, again probably 3 to 5 fold.
Covid has not changed since it first hit us in late 2019. It afflicts everyone, but seems to kill the elderly or the small group of younger people with health issues. Delta and Alpha lead to an average death age of 83..Human life expectancy is 84. Essentially Covid is killing and has been killing people principally in their 80 and 90s. The vaccine, which is primarily an immune boosting drug, does appear to lesson the chances of death (by almost 4-5 over delta) and the need for hospitalization (by almost 10 over delta). It may or may not be an absolute vaccine. By that I mean, take a few shots (like the Polio vaccine) and it is good for a life time, but it may be closer to the flu shot where yearly shots are needed.

All the above is old news, well documents and nothing new. We can add another 100 line items as facts and data about covid.

The portion of society that either does not wish to be vaccinated or have stopped at 2 shots is small, but not zero. It may or may not decrease. I suspect that it will increase. If this thing becomes the "new Flu", then only a small percentage of people will get their yearly Covid shot.

MY GOD I COULD WRITE a PHD thesis..I will stop here. We all need to move on from the covid debate. It needs to be in the rear view mirror. We need to move on to life. We have taken covid to its limits. Talking about the vaccine is like talking about the 2016-2021 Sens..rear view mirror. Who cares about Erik Gudbranson..he is gone. We need to talk about JBD. He is here and about Jake Sanderson who is coming.

Who is vaccinated, who is not, who has 1,2 3 or 4 shots is rear view mirror. As are truckers, as are masks, as are passports, as is the billions spent, as is covid. The future is about recovery, about healing about re-living. It is about thermobaric bombs in far off lands. About $1.50/L gasoline. About pipelines to get Alberta oil. "a time to be born, a time to die..." you can look up the rest of the poem/song/verse yourself. The season is now for planting. We all need to move on.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

The above Gish gallop aside, I'm really frustrated at the removal of vaccine passport verification at CTC. The common misconception that vaccines prevent spread is surely going to create more variants. We're not following the science, yet again, and we've seen how this movie ends before. Didn't expect we'd be getting a sequel so quickly.

 

[Beech]

The above Gish gallop aside, I'm really frustrated at the removal of vaccine passport verification at CTC. The common misconception that vaccines prevent spread is surely going to create more variants. We're not following the science, yet again, and we've seen how this movie ends before. Didn't expect we'd be getting a sequel so quickly.

Dzingle: 2020 called, they want their paranoia back.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Dzingle: 2020 called, they want their paranoia back.

Merriam-Webster defines paranoia as "a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others." Given the way this has been handled by many, yourself included, I don't believe there's anything excessive or irrational about my distrust of others to look after my safety. Your argument is that we need to move on. Mine is that the evidence isn't yet there to support that viewpoint. No need to reply with a 10-paragraph missive — we just don't agree on this front. And that's fine.

 

[Beech]

Merriam-Webster defines paranoia as "a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others." Given the way this has been handled by many, yourself included, I don't believe there's anything excessive or irrational about my distrust of others to look after my safety. Your argument is that we need to move on. Mine is that the evidence isn't yet there to support that viewpoint. No need to reply with a 10-paragraph missive — we just don't agree on this front. And that's fine.

Dzingle,

you may be proven 100% correct. A variant may surface that is deadlier. You are suggesting we need to continue to live as we have the last 2 years. I am saying, we cannot and we shouldn't. We cannot continue to live in fear and in paranoia of variants and spread and so on. At some point, we need to get back on the horse. Right? to put pressure on a once broken leg..to run on it, to kick a ball, to jump. We have little control over variants, so why live in fear? and why live in hiding?

Be safe, be cautious. But please no paranoia and no more Vax/un-vax fighting. Or divisions within our ranks. We need to be one. We have fought each other over vaccinations, to the point where the truckers and the Rednecks that highjacked that movement hurt us. And a time when we needed to be united.

I am triple vaxed. My partner 4 shots. I have enough masks around me that I am becoming addicted to the smell of the filter media in them. If a variant surfaces, I will deal with it then. I fully plan on getting shot 4 in November.

I limited to 3 paragraphs, 4 if you count this one. Damn Dzingle, you must be a Librarian, no one has your vocabulary. (Today's words, Missive and Gish Gallop). If I kept a list if words and terms, it would be a few pages long. Science degree for me. I can do formulas and Greek letters. Plus some Latin terms. No fancy words though...Hey, I actually can explain Thermobaric bombs..you have McGill university in the 1980's to thank..FOAB and MOAB are nothing more than an evolution of fuel air explosions, which are about dense fuel, fuel/air ratio (4% or greater), shock waves and orthogonal crossing of shock waves. Two guys who are probably in their late 70's or early 80's...Ouch, what they may have left the world. Although to be fair, others were doing similar research. We need international disarmament.

 

[jbeck5]

Merriam-Webster defines paranoia as "a tendency on the part of an individual or group toward excessive or irrational suspiciousness and distrustfulness of others." Given the way this has been handled by many, yourself included, I don't believe there's anything excessive or irrational about my distrust of others to look after my safety. Your argument is that we need to move on. Mine is that the evidence isn't yet there to support that viewpoint. No need to reply with a 10-paragraph missive — we just don't agree on this front. And that's fine.

The problem is you're relying on others to look after your safety. You should only rely on yourself to look after your own safety.

If you think going into big group settings is dangerous, don't go.

If you think wearing your mask outside around others is safer for you, keep doing so.

Take control of your own life and let others take control of their own life. We've taught the public how to protect themselves. Now it's up to people to do their thing.

I have friends who only do outside walks. Don't go inside other people's houses or have anyone over. Good for them.

I have friends who are going to sens games and going to restaurants and having get togethers and playing hockey in arenas. Good for them.

To each their own. We really need to get back to that.

I'm over this division and me me me mentality....but what about MY opinion?! No one cares. Just do you.

We were turning into the US where it's like constantly arguing against the other side instead of just accepting that people will have different opinions and that's ok. Move on to something else.

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

The problem is you're relying on others to look after your safety. You should only rely on yourself to look after your own safety.

I don't disagree with anything you've written other than the quoted sentence. What is government for, exactly, if not looking after its citizens' safety? That's pretty obviously the context in which I brought it up. As you'll see from the last line of my post you quoted I'm absolutely fine with a disagreement of opinion, so I'm not sure to whom exactly the rest of your post is addressed.

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

Xpirit,

we are continuing to debate old debates. And to what end?

The Vaccine was first talked about in the summer of 2020. Almost instantly, it had its detractors.
By November of 2020, it was announced an approval followed swiftly. The detractors remained and as it was now a reality, their numbers swelled.
It has been 14 months since approval and first use, the detractors have dwindled, but not disappeared. Those not vaccinated are down to a small percentage.
In the meantime, we have seen the mutation to Omicron and seemingly other variants, but Omicron remains dominant.

Omicorn has transformed this into a "flu like endemic". Deadlier than the flu, by probably 3 to 5 fold and way faster spreading, again probably 3 to 5 fold.
....

@Beech -- can you source the bolded? And do you mean for unvaxxed individuals, or fully vaxxed+ boosted?

I had done some very rough calculations a month or so ago that the combination of triple vaxx protection plus the reduced severity of Omicron had put it more or less equal to the Flu. So, it seems like you have evidence to the contrary.

 

[jbeck5]

I don't disagree with anything you've written other than the quoted sentence. What is government for, exactly, if not looking after its citizens' safety? That's pretty obviously the context in which I brought it up. As you'll see from the last line of my post you quoted I'm absolutely fine with a disagreement of opinion, so I'm not sure to whom exactly the rest of your post is addressed.

The government also cares about other factors that might not fully align with safety, like improving the economy. You can't trust the government to only have 1 goal. They have thousands of goals all pulling and tugging against each other.

The only person you can actually trust to take care of yourself is you. That's what I was getting at. The government has to look after 40,000,000 each with their own hundreds of needs and wants that are often opposing. Sometimes a move the government makes won't benefit you individually.

Sorry, I had added that the second part was not to you but in general, and then edited it and must have gotten rid of that part.

It's as if you were asking "if the government isnt going to keep me safe, who will?" And I'm saying "you will. It's now your responsibility." And I think that's very reasonable. If you're not an adult, then your parents should keep you safe. And if you're an adult, you should have learned the critical thinking skills to make your own decisions that best keep you safe - and other adults will do the same for themselves.

It's like the flu shot. The government invests money to inform us of the benefits of getting the flu shot. All the information is available. Flu shots are free, paid by the government. But after that, it's up to the individual. Their choice. Even if you're at greater risk of dying or using up hospital resources, the government won't force you to do anything regarding flu shots. Same is happening with covid.

 

[Beech]

@Beech -- can you source the bolded? And do you mean for unvaxxed individuals, or fully vaxxed+ boosted?

I had done some very rough calculations a month or so ago that the combination of triple vaxx protection plus the reduced severity of Omicron had put it more or less equal to the Flu. So, it seems like you have evidence to the contrary.

from the PublichealthOntario. You get infection and death numbers. You also get population numbers ( I can send you my excel sheet) . but you can get the info yourself.

I had the numbers on Dec 21. By Feb 14. I could subtract one from the other and see what I believe is purely Omicron. By Dec 21 a significant amount of elderly had had shot #3. It presented what I believe is an accurate picture of Omicron. I have been tracking numbers for a while and I get an Asymptomatic spread in 60-80 at 2-4 x and in the 80 and above at 2-3X..essentialy for every 80 plus year old who gets Omicroin and tests positive , 2 get it, do not know thy have it and never get tested. This has an element of approximation in it. As the government stopped testing, it left me blind. I was much more accurate in the delta days. I could predict deaths to within a small fraction in much of 2020 and 2021. So the asymptomatic spread could dilute the death rate. It may be 4-6 x in the 80 and above..And so, death may be closer to 0.4-0.7%

The Flu based upon my trying to find accurate info, was at 0.05%-0.1% . Again , if you have accurate data, let me know. It was a bitch tracing info down. No one test for teh flu and so data is predictive, not tested.

FLU = 0.05-0.1%
Omicron = 0.4-1.3%

8-25 X.

you can see from the last column, at 100% infection, 23,000-39,000 Ontarians above 60 would probably pass on. Maybe less if the spread is lower.

a mere 65,300 elderly had gotten Omicron (tested. Dec 21-Feb14)..1,819 deaths. With no spread 2.8%.. with spread (~ 140,000 - 500,000 have gotten it and 0.4-1.3% . Other age groups are insignificant and simply dilute the numbers.

Unless your asymptomatic spread is 10X, I don't know how you got 1:1. And I have a hard time believing an 85 year old would only know he had covid in 10% of case, yet die in 6 % (as tested).

of note: Jan 21, Feb 2, Feb 6 and Feb 14 showed a slight increase. Again, if the asymptomatic spread was rising, then the increase may not have been happening and may have been decreasing. The governments decision to stop testing, left us blind. But not so blind that a 10x asymptomatic spread among the 80 plus is possible.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Without the testing this year, the wastewater numbers have become more important.