OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART IV... Seriously, local only

[JD1]

My wife and I went out for dinner at a nice restaurant and it was also packed. Only real noticeable thing re COVID is that the servers were wearing masks.

At this point the only metric that matters is ICU occupancy. If that spikes we will see restrictions return .... otherwise, this whole thing is done.

Yep. Servers wearing masks and putting a mask on to go to the bathroom. I get the servers, but the mask on to go to the bathroom makes no sense to me

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

Yep. Servers wearing masks and putting a mask on to go to the bathroom. I get the servers, but the mask on to go to the bathroom makes no sense to me

Also, so I’ve heard, on a flight, mask on while on plane, mask off while eating or drinking (still on plane)……

no sense.

 

[Xspyrit]

Formulating Your Chances of Catching COVID-19 - JHU Engineering Magazine

But the risk of getting infected with COVID-19 depends heavily on the circumstances, Mittal says. The team’s model considers 10 transmission variables, including the breathing rates of the infected and noninfected persons, the number of virus-carrying droplets expelled, the surrounding environment, and the exposure time. Multiplied together, these variables yield a calculation of the possibility that an individual will be infected with COVID-19.

 

[thinkwild]

Just back from Farm Boy. Everyone still wearing a mask. Hopefully opening doesnt cause a spike and that may allow the rest to feel safe during this seeming intermission too.

 

[Beech]

Is 10x a good thing? Sounds bad. On the other hand, take the hospitalization rate and divide it by 10.

I think it’s good thing in the sense that it’s building herd immunity which should help us going forward and that for the overwhelming majority omicron is similar to the common cold.

It is showing that the virus is getting weaker, but more easily transmissible. That is good for the evolution of the virus because the weaker one will become the dominant strain which we can handle with vaccines.

The negative side is that the world is not vaccinated yet and a more dominant variant could pop up in a third world country then spread all over the world. Again.

10 x is the asymptomatic spread. A measure of how many people feel the affects of covid versus those that don't. If a person feels that affect he is apt to get tested and therefore is documented as a case. Since we do not test all people all the time, we do not know what is happening. How many people may have actually gotten covid? Even in random testing, it does not tell us how many total case are out there.

10 X is excellent, 15 X would be way better and 20 X would be perfect.

10 x, 15 X or 20 X in the 60 and above population would be ideal. It would tell us that of the ~ 70,000 confirmed cases, 700,000-1,400,000 true cases of infection occurred. And so Ontario's ~ 3.4 million people in that age group would have had anywhere from 20% to 40% infected, Omicron only. Which is bad from a sense of: how quickly Omicron spread, but good in terms of: It did not do any damage. No hospital over run and more importantly, minor death...Had it been 10x-20x among that group. Omicron would be weaker than the flu!!!

But still at 10 x, it means the elderly are most likely 2-3 x higher infection rates then Delta, and that is actually good news.

 

[Tnuoc Alucard]

“The alarmists have been so wrong with their fearmongering the past few months. They told us ending the unnecessary January lockdown in Ontario would prove a disaster — they said the same thing about return to school, about shortening isolation protocols and about lifting the vaccine mandate.
They were wrong every time. When the mask mandate ends in a couple of weeks, they’ll be proven wrong once again.”

FUREY: Judging by their actions, Canadians rightly believe COVID is over

 

[Ice-Tray]

As was often said at the start of the pandemic. If at the end of it all the majority of the complaints are that we did too much, then it was likely a success.

I’ll take some people griping over temporary public health mandates all day long over the likelihood of an increase in permanent death.

 

[NyQuil]

As was often said at the start of the pandemic. If at the end of it all the majority of the complaints are that we did too much, then it was likely a success.

I’ll take some people griping over temporary public health mandates all day long over the likelihood of an increase in permanent death.

I studied media coverage of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak, the cycle was as follows:

1. Is it a pandemic? When does it become a pandemic? So it is a pandemic?

2. We aren't ready for this pandemic. We don't have enough PPE, we don't have enough vaccines available. Blame the health officials.

3. The Calgary Flames are jumping the vaccine queue. They sent body bags (among other supplies) to Native reserves which were not well-received. Blame the health officials.

4. What? That was it? Some kind of pandemic that was. Clearly WHO and health officials were fear-mongering and it was a complete waste of time and money. Blame the health officials.

 

[Ice-Tray]

I studied media coverage of the 2009 H1N1 outbreak, the cycle was as follows:

1. Is it a pandemic? When does it become a pandemic? So it is a pandemic?

2. We aren't ready for this pandemic. We don't have enough PPE, we don't have enough vaccines available. Blame the health officials.

3. The Calgary Flames are jumping the vaccine queue. They sent body bags (among all other supplies) to Native reserves which were not well-received. Blame the health officials.

4. What? That was it? Some kind of pandemic that was. Clearly WHO and health officials were fear-mongering and it was a complete waste of time and money. Blame the health officials.

Exactly.

Aaaand completely ignore that we barely made it through Delta by airlifting patients around the country, while only having to deal with 20ish% unvaccinated filling hospitals.

Without the collective efforts and pushes, that would have been a disaster. Imagine if we were sitting at 60% vaccinated?

Then the complaints would have been how health officials, and ‘The Government’ didn’t do enough!

The cycle continues….

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

“The alarmists have been so wrong with their fearmongering the past few months. They told us ending the unnecessary January lockdown in Ontario would prove a disaster — they said the same thing about return to school, about shortening isolation protocols and about lifting the vaccine mandate.
They were wrong every time. When the mask mandate ends in a couple of weeks, they’ll be proven wrong once again.”

FUREY: Judging by their actions, Canadians rightly believe COVID is over

COVID didn't kill ME so what do they know!

They told us the Earth was flat until it wasn't!

My smartphone keeps crashing! They can't even invent a phone that won't crash!

Down with science!

 

[Xspyrit]

Exactly.

Aaaand completely ignore that we barely made it through Delta by airlifting patients around the country, while only having to deal with 20ish% unvaccinated filling hospitals.

Without the collective efforts and pushes, that would have been a disaster. Imagine if we were sitting at 60% vaccinated?

Then the complaints would have been how health officials, and ‘The Government’ didn’t do enough!

The cycle continues….

"Everything was all a lie"

Yes that narrative will be true... since the beginning, world governments only wanted to gain time and prevent deaths, it's very possible that things were exaggerated for people to take it seriously (some still never did, which resulted in more deaths).

Masks and social distancing allowed a bigger time window to find a "cure" (vaccine) that really helps to reduce the number of deaths. Officials have been working hard (while exaggerating and lying) to convince unvaccinated people to get the protection but at some point, there's nothing you can do. We are at a point where natural selection will do its job (which has been the case from the beginning)

Without masks, social distancing, other restrictions and the vaccine, the world would probably be in shambles right now. Imagine the violence that would have resulted from broken health systems, supply chain, etc.

What maybe not everyone knows/realizes yet, is that in the end, the death ratio will heavily weights towards people who were unvaccinated (particularly if you count deaths before the vaccine)

Easy to see, even when starting to look from December 14, 2020 to February 13, 2022

Number of COVID-19 deaths by vaccination status Canada 2022 | Statista

The death rates are through the roof not even close when you then consider that the overwhelming part of the population was vaccinated. Vaccine proved himself, like all the "liars" said it would.

As was often said at the start of the pandemic. If at the end of it all the majority of the complaints are that we did too much, then it was likely a success.

I’ll take some people griping over temporary public health mandates all day long over the likelihood of an increase in permanent death.

Anybody who doesn't think this just doesn't give a crap if others live or die. It's time to be honest...

Temporary is very important here, it affected all of us but like after a war, it's time to recover. We were at war against a virus (and still are). What annoys me the most is the divide it created and all the political agendas people pushed. The enemy wasn't even human, but humans still found a way to fight against each others

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Amazing that Ontario has lifted mask mandates in most public spaces even as numbers are still high and now creeping back up in many places.

How exactly can they justify this? Is it simply the fact that people are selfish and done with wearing masks?

 

[cudi]

Amazing that Ontario has lifted mask mandates in most public spaces even as numbers are still high and now creeping back up in many places.

How exactly can they justify this? Is it simply the fact that people are selfish and done with wearing masks?

Isnt Quebec dropping them on April 1? I've been unclear on that.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Isnt Quebec dropping them on April 1? I've been unclear on that.

They're extending it until mid-April at least.

 

[cudi]

They're extending it until mid-April at least.

I live in Quebec and no one seems to know for sure lol

 

[L'Aveuglette]

I live in Quebec and no one seems to know for sure lol

Boileau said this afternoon in a conference that they would be keeping mask mandates til mid-April as originally planned.

 

[jbeck5]

Amazing that Ontario has lifted mask mandates in most public spaces even as numbers are still high and now creeping back up in many places.

How exactly can they justify this? Is it simply the fact that people are selfish and done with wearing masks?

Where are they creeping up?

In Ontario as a whole they are staying stagnant the last few weeks and have actually dipped the last few days.

Just type "covid cases Ontario" and you'll get a graph and you can choose the time line and you can slide the line through each day to get a specific number.

 

[Golden_Jet]

Where are they creeping up?

In Ontario as a whole they are staying stagnant the last few weeks and have actually dipped the last few days.

Just type "covid cases Ontario" and you'll get a graph and you can choose the time line and you can slide the line through each day to get a specific number.

Probably referring to the waste water samples that have been increasing for 4 days. Since not really testing anymore, unless a senior, can’t really use cases. Hospital numbers can be tracked still, but waste water is a good way.
Europe’s numbers have been increasing as well lately.

 

[L'Aveuglette]

Probably referring to the waste water samples that have been increasing for 4 days. Since not really testing anymore, unless a senior, can’t really use cases. Hospital numbers can be tracked still, but waste water is a good way.
Europe’s numbers have been increasing as well lately.

This but also numbers in Quebec have indeed been creeping back up.

But yeah, Europe numbers have always gone up first and Canada has followed every one of those trends over the last few years. Right now they're skyrocketing after a small dip in early March.

 

[Beech]

I have zero explanation as to why the death numbers went down. I will assume the province amended some numbers. It seems that covid brought about 80 people 80 and above back to life !!!!!!!!!! it also revived a handful of 20-60 year olds!

In either case, the numbers are steady and not rising. If accurate, they may have dropped. It seems that covid deaths are dropping. And have been doing so since Late January.

A massive wave, one that can infect 100% of us, will tragically kill ~ 19,000..That is FLU like.

No need for panic.

 

[Golden_Jet]

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I have zero explanation as to why the death numbers went down. I will assume the province amended some numbers. It seems that covid brought about 80 people 80 and above back to life !!!!!!!!!! it also revived a handful of 20-60 year olds!

In either case, the numbers are steady and not rising. If accurate, they may have dropped. It seems that covid deaths are dropping. And have been doing so since Late January.

A massive wave, one that can infect 100% of us, will tragically kill ~ 19,000..That is FLU like.

No need for panic.

Case is useless now, without testing.
Wastewater results increasing.
Lol @ the Flu.

 

[jbeck5]

Case is useless now, without testing.
Wastewater results increasing.
Lol @ the Flu.

You laugh at the flu comment...so I decided to research it.

Up to 8,000 Canadians die every year from the flu.

So then I googled the 7 day average for deaths for covid in Canada and went back a bit...it's often fluctuating in the 30s.

35X365=12,775.

So though 12,775 isn't as low as 8,000...it's getting pretty close.

With the way you commented about laughing at them I thought they would be drastically different.

And that 7 day average will go down as the humidity and temperature rises as evidence shows.

 

[Billy Bridges]

Amazing that Ontario has lifted mask mandates in most public spaces even as numbers are still high and now creeping back up in many places.

How exactly can they justify this? Is it simply the fact that people are selfish and done with wearing masks?

Politically motivated. No true measure of cases in the province. Considering case numbers predominantly are front line health care workers and vulnerable residents, they are dangerously high.

 

[Xspyrit]

Guys, it is trending to be like the flu, we’re probably not there yet but that is the goal… the virus will naturally get weaker over time, which is good news if it’s already going this way. Have to keep in mind that all we did until now was to avoid more deaths, more problems… it would have been much much worse that the 12275 number cited above if we did nothing

So where do people think the “Influenza” came from? It’s the same virus that killed over a hundred million people, including my 32 y/o great great grandmother. Oh was it a conspiracy that they finally decided to postpone for a century?