OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART I... Seriously, local only

[Pierre from Orleans]

You don't want the jab? Well f*** off and die. You are a drain on the health system.

You're really something lol.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Relax. Some countries are already dropping the vaxx passport idea.

When winter is done, covid will be yesterdays news. All this yelling back and forth and hating people over the vaccine will all be for nothing.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Relax. Some countries are already dropping the vaxx passport idea.

When winter is done, covid will be yesterdays news. All this yelling back and forth and hating people over the vaccine will all be for nothing.

All for nothing hey? Tell that to the health authority in Alberta where hospitals are already being over run, elective surgeries are cancelled, and ER staff are reviewing triage guidelines.

91% of ICU patients are unvaccinated or have one shot, but yeah, no biggie, relax….

What a dumb post.

We’re trying to save some lives, by getting a couple needles and wearing a mask in a few places for a few years.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

All for nothing hey? Tell that to the health authority in Alberta where hospitals are already being over run, elective surgeries are cancelled, and ER staff are reviewing triage guidelines.

91% of ICU patients are unvaccinated or have one shot, but yeah, no biggie, relax….

What a dumb post.

We’re trying to save some lives, by getting a couple needles and wearing a mask in a few places for a few years.

...and we've done that. Covid is on the verge of turning endemic. It's nearly over.

 

[Xspyrit]

All this yelling back and forth and hating people over the vaccine will all be for nothing.

I'm sure a lot of people who already died from it and their families would disagree with this (not to mention all the people with long-term effects or collateral problems)

Sadly, I think there's something very important that will be forgotten "like it never really happened", but all these people who didn't collaborate, who didn't do whatever they could (just following the measures could have been enough) to NOT get or spread the virus have indirectly KILLED people. There's a ton of examples of that. IMO, in some specific cases, these people should be prosecuted in justice. People have been accused of manslaughter for less than that

Looks like I'm not the first to think about this

Death due to COVID-19 parties could lead to manslaughter charges: experts

‘This could be manslaughter’: Legal experts warn about hosting parties during COVID-19 | Globalnews.ca

What's the difference with driving too fast or under the influence? You know you're potentially risking other people's lives. Everyone is entitled to do what they want with their own life but that's where "freedom" should stop.

Unfortunately, not everybody is able to understand that.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

You're really something lol.

I've had more than enough with this pandemic. The path forward is clear and the vaccine is effective and safe, there is absolutely no data that indicates otherwise.

Some people can't have it and some people are just lazy, we can handle that by enacting mandates and passports. There aren't enough people who cannot get vaccinated for it to be a major concern.

What we can't deal with is the terminally stupid who offer nothing of value and are a drain on society. They are freeloaders and this has gone on for long enough, all they need to do is get the vaccine. If they can't even do that then I'm all in favour of denying them access to health care if they get COVID.

Enough is enough. They want to act like entitled children well time to apply some adult pressure. Freedom also means dealing with consequences.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

I'm sure a lot of people who already died from it and their families would disagree with this (not to mention all the people with long-term effects or collateral problems)

Sadly, I think there's something very important that will be forgotten "like it never really happened", but all these people who didn't collaborate, who didn't do whatever they could (just following the measures could have been enough) to NOT get or spread the virus have indirectly KILLED people. There's a ton of examples of that. IMO, in some specific cases, these people should be prosecuted in justice. People have been accused of manslaughter for less than that

Looks like I'm not the first to think about this

Death due to COVID-19 parties could lead to manslaughter charges: experts

‘This could be manslaughter’: Legal experts warn about hosting parties during COVID-19 | Globalnews.ca

What's the difference with driving too fast or under the influence? You know you're potentially risking other people's lives. Everyone is entitled to do what they want with their own life but that's where "freedom" should stop.

Unfortunately, not everybody is able to understand that.

It's a little more complicated than that.

Yeah, people who decide not to vaxx or wear a mask suck...but there is a difference. When you're on the road, you can't do anything about a drunk driver. With covid, you can get your vaccine shots, wear a mask, keep a distance and wash your hands. Most of the folks going to other peoples homes or places of business to have a party and ending up in the middle of an outbreak did so willingly and without using the precautions available to them. To use the drinking and driving analogy...everyone in both cars were drunk, so who killed who?

 

[Ice-Tray]

It's a little more complicated than that.

Yeah, people who decide not to vaxx or wear a mask suck...but there is a difference. When you're on the road, you can't do anything about a drunk driver. With covid, you can get your vaccine shots, wear a mask, keep a distance and wash your hands. Most of the folks going to other peoples homes or places of business to have a party and ending up in the middle of an outbreak did so willingly and without using the precautions available to them. To use the drinking and driving analogy...everyone in both cars were drunk, so who killed who?

91% ICU patients in Alberta are unvaccinated or single vaccinated.

Alberta has doubled ICU rooms and cancelled all elective procedures and has asked the feds and neighbouring pro investigate to be ready to airlift patients.

All of those people needing surgery and care are being denied because of non vaccinated people taking up ICU.

Stayed tuned as things continue to get worse there.

But you’re right, no big deal.

 

[Ice-Tray]

It's a little more complicated than that.

Yeah, people who decide not to vaxx or wear a mask suck...but there is a difference. When you're on the road, you can't do anything about a drunk driver. With covid, you can get your vaccine shots, wear a mask, keep a distance and wash your hands. Most of the folks going to other peoples homes or places of business to have a party and ending up in the middle of an outbreak did so willingly and without using the precautions available to them. To use the drinking and driving analogy...everyone in both cars were drunk, so who killed who?

91% ICU patients in Alberta are unvaccinated or single vaccinated.

Alberta has had to double ICU rooms with surge beds and cancelled all elective procedures and has asked the feds and neighbouring pro investigate to be ready to airlift patients.

All of those people needing surgery and care are being denied because of non vaccinated people taking up ICU.

Stayed tuned as things continue to get worse there.

But you’re right, no big deal.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

IMO, in some specific cases, these people should be prosecuted in justice.

What specific cases would that be?

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

At this point anyone who is willing to be vaccinated but isn't needs to be pushed to get it done. That is what the passport is good for: you want to be part society then get the jab.

You don't want the jab? Well f*** off and die. You are a drain on the health system.

Wow bud. Your first paragraph was fine. Your second one was completely unnecessary. Shame on you.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

The unvaccinated are the main reason why this pandemic is not over

 

[DaveMatthew]

The unvaccinated are the main reason why this pandemic is not over

The pandemic is over if you've been vaccinated. That should be the messaging. If you have both doses, live like it's 2018 because you're risk is almost nothing. Instead, we still have fear-mongering.

I saw a segment on CTV news this morning where a physician said that even if you're double-vaxxed, you still should only gather with one other household at Thanksgiving. That type of BS feeds anti-vaxxers.

 

[JD1]

The unvaccinated are the main reason why this pandemic is not over

Actually I'd say it's the media and the politicians

I'm not disputing the data, but at some point you have to start wondering why your freedom is restricted when your odds of getting sick and landing in hospital are 1 in 1,290,000.

There weren't that many car rides in Ottawa today, but I'm guessing that more than one person in Ottawa today started their day in a car and ended it in the hospital.

 

[JD1]

I read an interesting article on the cbc site today about an anti vaxxer that got vaxxed

He ended up getting vaxxed because of a heart felt discussion with a relative that works in the medical field

The relative told him "you're not a danger to me, I'm a danger to you. If I get covid from you, I'm not getting sick. Even though I'm vaxxed, I can get covid and give it to you and you might die"

And that's the prison the anti vaxxers are living in

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The unvaccinated are the main reason why this pandemic is not over

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I'm not disputing the data, but at some point you have to start wondering why your freedom is restricted when your odds of getting sick and landing in hospital are 1 in 1,290,000.

Because there are too many people who are unvaccinated and they are the ones clogging up the health system.

 

[Xspyrit]

By the way, Canada is one of the most vaccinated countries. We are so privileged to live here, it's crazy and yet, so many are complaining like our government was evil.

Tracking Coronavirus Vaccinations Around the World

https://www.niagaracollegetoronto.c...-in-the-world-in-a-2021-best-countries-report

The pandemic is over if you've been vaccinated. That should be the messaging. If you have both doses, live like it's 2018 because you're risk is almost nothing. Instead, we still have fear-mongering.

I saw a segment on CTV news this morning where a physician said that even if you're double-vaxxed, you still should only gather with one other household at Thanksgiving. That type of BS feeds anti-vaxxers.

I agree with that. The communication has been poor in general. I can't speak for every country on the planet but I'm sure in many places they have done a much better job.

If you're fully vaccinated, your body will be ready to fight the virus if you get it. It diminishes greatly the chances of getting and/or spreading the virus. It doesn't mean that you can't get it but even if you get it, the chances are very low that you'll get in trouble so that's why it's getting "endemic" as more and more people get vaccinated.

The problem though is a large portion of populations are still unvaccinated, it's really not over for them and for older people and the immunocompromised among vaccinated people too because the virus is still spreading.

The passport is the first real action that separates vaccinated people from unvaccinated people, it shows that you can afford "less restrictions" if you are fully vaccinated and this will only grow. Unvaccinated people are kinda making a decision, they don't want to live in society as much as before.

I read an interesting article on the cbc site today about an anti vaxxer that got vaxxed

He ended up getting vaxxed because of a heart felt discussion with a relative that works in the medical field

The relative told him "you're not a danger to me, I'm a danger to you. If I get covid from you, I'm not getting sick. Even though I'm vaxxed, I can get covid and give it to you and you might die"

And that's the prison the anti vaxxers are living in

That's a really good short story to explain it to them.

 

[Xspyrit]

Totally forgot answering these 2 quotes

It's a little more complicated than that.

Yeah, people who decide not to vaxx or wear a mask suck...but there is a difference. When you're on the road, you can't do anything about a drunk driver. With covid, you can get your vaccine shots, wear a mask, keep a distance and wash your hands. Most of the folks going to other peoples homes or places of business to have a party and ending up in the middle of an outbreak did so willingly and without using the precautions available to them. To use the drinking and driving analogy...everyone in both cars were drunk, so who killed who?

Yeah my comparison was probably not perfect. In the end, because you can't really rely on others, you had to stop seeing people because too many people who were sick or even just possibly sick were selfish and didn't care about other's health. So for those who "still went", it often ended in really tragic consequences. So yeah in comparison to drunk drivers, people who still went also have a part of responsibility in this, whereas you can't do anything about a drunk driver as you said, outside of maybe never go on the road, particularly at night.

What specific cases would that be?

I don't know exactly as I am not a lawyer. That's part of the stuff that will become clearer over time.

I think some of the answers to your question might be in the articles I provided in the same post you quoted. I was just reporting.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Hopefully the vaccine passports work and our hospitals aren’t filled with unvaccinated people. There is going to be 10% of society that would prefer to be outcasted then to get vaccinated. It’s strange.

With news about Pfizer’s waining immunity from their vaccines I can’t help but feel this is becoming a “permademic.” Maybe I’m being pessimistic and we get over this virus in the next few years but with every day I’m becoming more doubtful.

Frustrating that you can be fully vaccinated and have next to no risk of severe outcomes yet you still have society telling you to be careful (fear mongering).

I’m praying that the vaccine for ages 5-11 that should be approved soon really help things.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Pfizer vaccine becomes less effective at preventing infection but it still holds very strong in terms of preventing hospitalizations. Well, so far.

The only reason all this nonsense isn't basically over is because we are afraid of hurting the feelings of people who are dragging everybody down.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Frustrating that you can be fully vaccinated and have next to no risk of severe outcomes yet you still have society telling you to be careful (fear mongering).

Is isn't fear mongering, it is dealing with the unvaccinated.

There are too many people who are unvaccinated for us to drop the restrictions. They are the ones who get really sick and spread the damn thing.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Pfizer vaccine becomes less effective at preventing infection but it still holds very strong in terms of preventing hospitalizations. Well, so far.

The only reason all this nonsense isn't basically over is because we are afraid of hurting the feelings of people who are dragging everybody down.

Israel is making everyone 12+ get a booster after 6 months. Hopefully they are just being overly safe.

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Is isn't fear mongering, it is dealing with the unvaccinated.

There are too many people who are unvaccinated for us to drop the restrictions. They are the ones who get really sick and spread the damn thing.

Yes for sure. Just sucks that in my part of Canada it is illegal for more then two households to gather for thanksgiving. Even if everyone is fully vaccinated. I shouldn’t use the term fear mongering, it’s not the correct word in this situation.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Israel is making everyone 12+ get a booster after 6 months. Hopefully they are just being overly safe.

Preventing infection is definitely ideal but I think the most important is to ensure that hospitals are not overrun.

The hope is that with enough people getting vaccinated the virus will eventually mutate into a less powerful version which is a reasonable expectation.

A lot of the time viruses respond to not being able to get around by mutating into a more transmissible version but that usually makes them weaker.