OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART I... Seriously, local only

[Ice-Tray]

I was talking about anti-Vaxers and not lazy/busy people like your friends. Anti Vaxers can be convinced and dividing society into an us vs them is the least productive way to do it, it just creates a larger divide between people

Who said anything about friends?

And I disagree, antivaxxers are not easily convinced at all, nor are they the target here at all. The goal is to bring the numbers up by getting everyone on the fence.

Antivaxxers will live and die by their creed.

We’re not dividing society any more than we do when it comes to who can go into a bar, or who can drive a car, except this is a temporary measure to keep hospitals from overloading, like you know, what Saskatchewan and Alberta are dealing with.

Did you know that random adults aren’t allowed to enter an elementary school? It’s terrible how their constitutional right to movement is being trampled there as well…..

The human rights and societal divide is simple fear mongering, which is how fringe groups roll.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Who gives a flying f*** about what anti vaxers think or feel.

They clearly don't care about other people. They made their bed.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Sales were 3500 last Saturday night
Did not crack 1000 last night

people don’t like passports

Or the food you serve isn't that good.

 

[DrEasy]

Evidence shows the best way to get people vaccinated is to engage with them and have a person they trust talk to them about getting vaxed. Trusted engagement is by far the most productive way of changing peoples minds. #2 way of getting people vaxed is having someone they know and like die of COVID because they are unvaccinated.

vacinne passport doesn’t increase vax rates and evidence shows it makes people more firm in their “beliefs” to not get vaxed because they feel alienated. If the point of all of this is to get people vaxed and not enjoy a meal at Fratellis (who’s staff don’t have to be vaxed which is the stupidest thing ever) then keeping the non Vaxed engraged and being able to treat them fairly and equally is by far the best strategy to increase vax rates. So I don’t like the vaccine passport because it is creating an us vs them society and that’s more damaging then letting the unvaxed die

That's not true at all. France had a large population of vaccine hesitant people, and the moment the government came up with their version of vaccine passports, vaccination rates went through the roof. I've been watching vaccination rates in Ontario too (to make the discussion local ), and there's definitely been a bump here too, maybe not as big as in France because there was less vaccine hesitancy here to begin with.

Now is it going to change anti-vaxers's minds? Probably not (that's a different crowd from the vaccine hesitant people), but that's not really the goal with this.

 

[Daffy]

Who gives a flying f*** about what anti vaxers think or feel.

They clearly don't care about other people. They made their bed.

Reaching. Hard

 

[DueDiligence]

Sales were 3500 last Saturday night
Did not crack 1000 last night

people don’t like passports

I like going out and I like the idea of the passport.

 

[Pierre from Orleans]

Who gives a flying f*** about what anti vaxers think or feel.

They clearly don't care about other people. They made their bed.

 

[Sens]

Or the food you serve isn't that good.

Oh yeah, we just be cruising and then the passport comes out

Aside from that I’ve never seen so many adults just rip on servers for asking to see a passport… what the f*** is wrong with people

 

[maclean]

Oh yeah, we just be cruising and then the passport comes out

Aside from that I’ve never seen so many adults just rip on servers for asking to see a passport… what the f*** is wrong with people

Last week in Germany a guy shot a gas station attendant in the face because he was asked to wear a mask...

Here we have "passport" policies in place, but there is no requirement for restaurants to enforce them, so obviously why would you if you don't have to. It's up to the police or health authorities to go around checking. Which I did actually experience once in the form of like half a dozen cop cars going down the street and checking every single place. But that was more performative than anything.

 

[Here I Pageau Again]

You are wrong.

I personally know a handful of people who weren’t vaccinated for a variety of reasons, who got vaccinated because they wanted to be able to join friends and loved ones at restaurants and pubs. Not all were pleased about it, but the alternative was less attractive. That is the point of the vaccine passport.

The passport is to bump those that are on the fence, or have been too ‘busy/lazy’ to get it done, NOT to convince antivaxxers to get it done.

You don’t convince an antivaxxer, not even loved ones. Everyone else is movable if their lives are made to be a bit more uncomfortable, while providing an easy solution.

I don’t know what you guys are doing out east, but we can all have our passport saved on our phone. It’s about as difficult to leave it at home or leave it in the car as it is to do either with your $1000 smart phone.

My SIL is now vaccinated because she has to be if she wants to watch her son play hockey.

Honestly she would have never gotten vaccinated if it wasn't for that.

 

[GCK]

Idk what the answer is...i just don't see this going away and agree it's going to end up as an annual shot thing

We can be kept contained forever

It definitely will become endemic which should be the goal.

 

[GCK]

Evidence shows the best way to get people vaccinated is to engage with them and have a person they trust talk to them about getting vaxed. Trusted engagement is by far the most productive way of changing peoples minds. #2 way of getting people vaxed is having someone they know and like die of COVID because they are unvaccinated.

vacinne passport doesn’t increase vax rates and evidence shows it makes people more firm in their “beliefs” to not get vaxed because they feel alienated. If the point of all of this is to get people vaxed and not enjoy a meal at Fratellis (who’s staff don’t have to be vaxed which is the stupidest thing ever) then keeping the non Vaxed engraged and being able to treat them fairly and equally is by far the best strategy to increase vax rates. So I don’t like the vaccine passport because it is creating an us vs them society and that’s more damaging then letting the unvaxed die

The increase in 1st doses in Ontario since Vax passports would seem to go against your evidence.

 

[Knave]

Are they testing a delta specific mRNA vaccine yet? I don't see anything and I'm wondering if they have not been doing that.

I feel like that's what any booster shot should be. Take the overwhelming dominant strain or a new and upcoming strain that has shown it's more virulent and contagious and then shift your machines into producing the vaccine for that variant.

We do this with the flu every year where we look at the most prevalent strains out there, make up a vaccine (not mRNA) but it involves some guesswork, it takes time to produce the shots needed and they can get it wrong. But with mRNA and the way it's manufactured... you can be much more agile than the traditional flu shot and the manufacturing of the flu shot.

Just to add at the end: I understand they're mass producing the 'original' because the majority of the world hasn't received any vaccine. But I feel like right now a small percentage of manufacturing should be going to test out the viability of variant-specific boosters especially since this looks like it will be endemic and we will always need to protect vulnerable people with a shot.

 

[Tuna99]

The increase in 1st doses in Ontario since Vax passports would seem to go against your evidence.

I’m talking about people who are against being vaccinated. The best way to convince them to get vaccinated is to engage with them and talk them into it. Putting up Vax passports and calling them lost causes and selfish doesn’t help at all.

We live in a society were everybody wants to feel superior to others. Facebook feeds, Instagram is all about how great you’re doing.

just read the posts above mine. It’s like posters are talking about life long enemies and not their neighbours, their nurses; their mechanics, their employees

look at the nurses and health care workers facing suspension for not providing Vax records. We just collapse the health care system because of feelings of superiority? It’s not realistic and reality will win. If you want people to get vaccinated calling them lost causes and selfish does nothing besides tell the word you watch and repeat CNN headlines

 

[Xspyrit]

Oh yeah, we just be cruising and then the passport comes out

Aside from that I’ve never seen so many adults just rip on servers for asking to see a passport… what the f*** is wrong with people

human nature, emotional balance, selfishness...

On this particular subject, there's a lot of people who are "anti-conformist", aka they still don't understand that you simply can't run a society without law and order. Sad thing is they spend all their life or most of their life like this. It's like if they'd feel stupid if they are being told what to do. For the record, I played in a punk rock band. I was a skater and snowboarder before it got trendy but never thought I had to be against everything to be "authentic"

So now we have a big society divide with all these "antis" vs all the "normal" people (aka the sheeple!) who have already suffered from this pandemic (or have enough imagination to understand that it could happen to them, by getting really sick or losing someone) and are ready to do what it takes to protect others, just by being empathetic. So pretty much an empathetic vs narcissistic ideology war.

Could always make 1 small hospital in each region a non-vax Covid hospital and if that hospital fills up - you go home and take your chances with COVID and even die at home. Israel did this, Not that I agree with it but on some level it made sense to me

Yeah but can't see that happening here, we're way too "politically correct"

This whole situation makes me think of the parable below. We are so fortunate to have smart people who dedicate their lives to find cures to sickness and are prolonging our lives, but yet we don't seize the opportunity, well not everyone. Imagine you were an anti-masker/vaxxer/etc and you caught covid, you're in a bed sick as hell and know your end is coming. Imagine how you feel. This is not a movie script but the reality of what happened to a LOT of people since the beginning of this pandemic


There once was a man who lived in a two story house. The house was near a river and unfortunately the river began to flood.
As the river rose, warnings were given via radio, TV and shortwave. Large jeeps drove through the area to evacuate people. As a jeep drove by the man's house, he was told:
"You are in danger. Your life is at stake. You must evacuate. Get in the Jeep. Let us help you evacuate."
"No," the man replied from his doorstep. "I have faith. I will be ok. The flood won't get me. God will take care of me."
The water continued to rise.
Soon the man was on the second floor. A boat was going through the area and arrived at the man's house. Rescuers made every effort to convince the man to take action so that his life would be saved.
"You are in danger. Your life is at stake. You will drown in the flood."
"No worries," says the man. "I have faith. Everything is ok. Even though the flood is rising, I will be fine. God will take care of me."
The flood continued to rise.
The man went to the roof to avoid the rising water. A helicopter pilot sees him on top of the roof and hovers above the man. Using a megaphone, the pilot tries to convince the man to grab the rope ladder which was dangling above his head.
"You are in danger. The flood is still rising. You will drown if you do not grab the rope ladder. Let us help you."
"No worries." says the man. "I will be fine. Yes, the flood is higher but I have faith. God will take care of me."
The flood rises. The man drowns.
At the pearly gates, the man says to God: "I had faith. You let me die."
To which God replies: "I sent you a jeep, a boat and a helicopter. What more could I have done for you?"

 

[Do Make Say Think]

I’m talking about people who are against being vaccinated. The best way to convince them to get vaccinated is to engage with them and talk them into it. Putting up Vax passports and calling them lost causes and selfish doesn’t help at all.

There are people who feel they don't need the vaccine and then there are people who think the vaccine is dangerous. Mandates and passports help get the former on board which is what society needs.

Natural selection will take care of the latter. There is nothing that can be done to help them, they don't respond to facts or logic. The less of them we have to support, the better.

 

[ISensFanI]

There are people who feel they don't need the vaccine and then there are people who think the vaccine is dangerous. Mandates and passports help get the former on board which is what society needs.

Natural selection will take care of the latter. There is nothing that can be done to help them, they don't respond to facts or logic. The less of them we have to support, the better.

natural selection ? Most of them will be fine

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Oh yeah, we just be cruising and then the passport comes out

Aside from that I’ve never seen so many adults just rip on servers for asking to see a passport… what the f*** is wrong with people

You're on here constantly undermining the validity of the vaccine passports. Surely you're self-aware enough to understand how you're complicit in this type of behaviour?

 

[Tuna99]

There are people who feel they don't need the vaccine and then there are people who think the vaccine is dangerous. Mandates and passports help get the former on board which is what society needs.

Natural selection will take care of the latter. There is nothing that can be done to help them, they don't respond to facts or logic. The less of them we have to support, the better.

considering CNN was saying in March 2020 was saying it would take 4 years to test and roll
Out a safe vaccine and now they are calling anyone who believes this an enemy, it’s a joke.

literally people died in hospitals because the media freaked them out so bad about being admitted to hospital when Covid made them sick at days 4-6 they had so much panic they died from stress media stories about dying alone. It was so bad the medical profession went to the media corps and told them to tone it down because stress induced by media stories made patience so panicked they couldn’t breath or relax, sleep , listen to instructions etc.

people need to get vaxed but calling them all stupid and lost when 16 months ago everyone was saying 4 years for a safe vaccine, they tell us all to get AZ and then a week later they stop administering AZ, at some point you can understand why some people need to be convinced

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

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literally people died in hospitals because the media freaked them out so bad about being admitted to hospital when Covid made them sick at days 4-6 they had so much panic they died from stress media stories about dying alone. It was so bad the medical profession went to the media corps and told them to tone it down because stress induced by media stories made patience so panicked they couldn’t breath or relax, sleep , listen to instructions etc.

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Do you have a link for this? I have never heard this being reported.

 

[Sens]

You're on here constantly undermining the validity of the vaccine passports. Surely you're self-aware enough to understand how you're complicit in this type of behaviour?

I’m double vaccinated since July 6th

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

I’m double vaccinated since July 6th

Yeah, but you undermine confidence in the vaccine passport on a near-daily basis around here. I can only imagine much more of that in your day-to-day. If people push back, it's because attitudes like yours tell them it's okay.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

natural selection ? Most of them will be fine

Most of them won't die from COVID. Some of them will though.

However someone stupid enough to say no to a free vaccine that has proven to be extremely effective and safe is bound to take themselves out at some point down the line.

Trim the fat, drop the deadweight.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

considering CNN was saying in March 2020 was saying it would take 4 years to test and roll
Out a safe vaccine and now they are calling anyone who believes this an enemy, it’s a joke.

literally people died in hospitals because the media freaked them out so bad about being admitted to hospital when Covid made them sick at days 4-6 they had so much panic they died from stress media stories about dying alone. It was so bad the medical profession went to the media corps and told them to tone it down because stress induced by media stories made patience so panicked they couldn’t breath or relax, sleep , listen to instructions etc.

people need to get vaxed but calling them all stupid and lost when 16 months ago everyone was saying 4 years for a safe vaccine, they tell us all to get AZ and then a week later they stop administering AZ, at some point you can understand why some people need to be convinced

At this point anyone who is willing to be vaccinated but isn't needs to be pushed to get it done. That is what the passport is good for: you want to be part society then get the jab.

You don't want the jab? Well f*** off and die. You are a drain on the health system.

 

[Sens]

Yeah, but you undermine confidence in the vaccine passport on a near-daily basis around here. I can only imagine much more of that in your day-to-day. If people push back, it's because attitudes like yours tell them it's okay.

outside of here I pretty much keep to myself
I’ve become quite good at becoming a ghost