OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART I... Seriously, local only

[IlTerrifico]

Total deaths in Canada to Oct 1/21 of people 50 and under? 653 out of many millions, including those before a vaccine was available, treatments were improved, and also those with other conditions that made them medically vulnerable.

• Number of COVID-19 deaths by age Canada 2021 | Statista

Israeli study shows those previously infected have 27x the immunities of those vaccinated.

Also, new studies should the transmissable load of covid is the same level for vaccinated and unvaccinated.

No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant (clinicalnews.org)

So who should be vaccinated: those over 50/60, those with other health issues. And the overweight/obese, who are more vulnerable and cost billions in extra healthcare costs. And those who want it.

Kids and those who already had covid really do not need it. Healthy middle agers too. Vaccine side effects are probably worse than bad outcomes for these groups.

If you are vaccinated, congrats you are less likely to get covid and suffer bad consequences, but an equal transmission risk, and with waning benefit from your vacc over time. But just as likely to transmit, mostly to the unvaccinated who, if in low risk groups, almost certainly won't suffer greatly anyways.

Worried about expenses to the medical system, well the big savings are in getting fatties into the gym and eating healthy, by far. Especially in low infection level Ottawa.

 

[GCK]

Total deaths in Canada to Oct 1/21 of people 50 and under? 653 out of many millions, including those before a vaccine was available, treatments were improved, and also those with other conditions that made them medically vulnerable.

• Number of COVID-19 deaths by age Canada 2021 | Statista

Israeli study shows those previously infected have 27x the immunities of those vaccinated.

Also, new studies should the transmissable load of covid is the same level for vaccinated and unvaccinated.

No Significant Difference in Viral Load Between Vaccinated and Unvaccinated, Asymptomatic and Symptomatic Groups Infected with SARS-CoV-2 Delta Variant (clinicalnews.org)

So who should be vaccinated: those over 50/60, those with other health issues. And the overweight/obese, who are more vulnerable and cost billions in extra healthcare costs. And those who want it.

Kids and those who already had covid really do not need it. Healthy middle agers too. Vaccine side effects are probably worse than bad outcomes for these groups.

If you are vaccinated, congrats you are less likely to get covid and suffer bad consequences, but an equal transmission risk, and with waning benefit from your vacc over time. But just as likely to transmit, mostly to the unvaccinated who, if in low risk groups, almost certainly won't suffer greatly anyways.

Worried about expenses to the medical system, well the big savings are in getting fatties into the gym and eating healthy, by far. Especially in low infection level Ottawa.

Nice job of getting a link from Ralph Turchiano who is a snake oil salesman of Herbs and Vitamins to treat serious disease. Please find real science that has been peer reviewed.

 

[Do Make Say Think]

Also the viral load is but one lone variable.

The viral load might be the same but that says nothing about the ability of the immune system to prevent infection OR manage an eventual infection.

People are so easy to manipulate.

 

[Ice-Tray]

Seeing people post bullshit articles that they get sent on Facebook is sad. You think that stuff only happens elsewhere in the world, and then you see it here and wonder what the hell else people take at face value without any sort of verification.

 

[IlTerrifico]

Nice job of getting a link from Ralph Turchiano who is a snake oil salesman of Herbs and Vitamins to treat serious disease. Please find real science that has been peer reviewed.

Why look - ol' Ralphie has the EXACT SAME DEATH BY AGE STATS AS ON THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA WEBSITE.

COVID-19 daily epidemiology update - Canada.ca

Imagine that.

Meanwhile, Sweden and Denmark are pausing Moderna use for youth. Finland already did.

Sweden and Denmark pause use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in younger age groups | Daily Mail Online

But sure, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, force needles into everyone!

 

[GCK]

Why look - ol' Ralphie has the EXACT SAME DEATH BY AGE STATS AS ON THE GOVERNMENT OF CANADA WEBSITE.

COVID-19 daily epidemiology update - Canada.ca

Imagine that.

Meanwhile, Sweden and Denmark are pausing Moderna use for youth. Finland already did.

Sweden and Denmark pause use of the Moderna COVID-19 vaccine in younger age groups | Daily Mail Online

But sure, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, force needles into everyone!

We did that as well for 18-24

 

[albator71]

But sure, the sky is falling, the sky is falling, force needles into everyone!

Let's just pretend that there's no virus circulating that has killed over 4.55 M people world wide and let's abandon all health measures and let's see what happens? Vaccines saves lives period! Thats just the cold hard fact, now personally I dont care if you get vaccinated or not if you want to play russian roulette with your live and the lives of your love ones that up to you buddy. But the government has the right to implement a vaccine mandate if they think its necessary to protect its citizens.

 

[albator71]

With news about Pfizer’s waining immunity from their vaccines I can’t help but feel this is becoming a “permademic.”

Yes its antibodies is waining and that is to be expected what matters really is the production of t-cells still gives people very high protection against serious illness, hospitalizations and death against covid-19 thats what matters the most. I think this pandemic will be under control by the end of 2022.

 

[Xspyrit]

It's not "local" but New York isn't too far. Also, it's mostly the same situation just about anywhere. If you still don't know/understand how the unvaccinated are "hurting society", this article could be an eye opener

'Why should we care about you?': Nurses confront preventable crises among the unvaccinated

 

[maclean]

(responding here to not derail the GDT)

The way they are operating in Europe and other first world countries outside of Canada, New Zealand and Australia is further proof we are in the minority.

From a European perspective I can say I'm often slightly shocked by the what seems to me exaggerated precaution being practised in Canada. Here in the Czech Republic you could often be forgiven for completely forgetting there's any pandemic at all, especially when sitting in a crowded bar. That said, numbers have just started rising sharply here, and the WHO has reported that Europe is the only region in the world where numbers are on the rise, so I'm not completely blind to the consequences of living the way we do. We've also hit a bit of a wall in vaccination rates and the government doesn't seem to have much of a clue of what to do next.

On a more personal note I've finally got my ex-wife's reluctant approval to get the kids vaccinated, which I'm fairly stoked about because one son plays rugby and I keep having to take him to get tested every week because amateur sport is like the one area where they actually enforce the COVID rules.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

It's not "local" but New York isn't too far. Also, it's mostly the same situation just about anywhere. If you still don't know/understand how the unvaccinated are "hurting society", this article could be an eye opener

'Why should we care about you?': Nurses confront preventable crises among the unvaccinated

The anti vaxxers think this is all propaganda and lies from the governments advocating vaccines (like ours)

AND who cares if you need to get a booster .. this is still early days. If you need a booster get a booster what's the problem?

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

(responding here to not derail the GDT)



From a European perspective I can say I'm often slightly shocked by the what seems to me exaggerated precaution being practised in Canada. Here in the Czech Republic you could often be forgiven for completely forgetting there's any pandemic at all, especially when sitting in a crowded bar. That said, numbers have just started rising sharply here, and the WHO has reported that Europe is the only region in the world where numbers are on the rise, so I'm not completely blind to the consequences of living the way we do. We've also hit a bit of a wall in vaccination rates and the government doesn't seem to have much of a clue of what to do next.

On a more personal note I've finally got my ex-wife's reluctant approval to get the kids vaccinated, which I'm fairly stoked about because one son plays rugby and I keep having to take him to get tested every week because amateur sport is like the one area where they actually enforce the COVID rules.

Do you guys have a vaccine passport in the Czech Rebublic? Seems like it’s working here in Canada. Cases are kind of low and life feels pretty normal.

 

[maclean]

Do you guys have a vaccine passport in the Czech Rebublic? Seems like it’s working here in Canada. Cases are kind of low and life feels pretty normal.

For some time now we've had a system where you either have it in a special app or you can print out the page with a QR code - either vaccine, fresh test or having recovered from COVID. This all works fine for theatres, major cultural events, etc. The one issue is they didn't make bars and restaurants obliged to check - it's up to police or public health authorities to theoretically go around doing checks. I witnessed one of these and it was like ten cop cars going down the street checking bars one by one and honestly it was more performative than anything. With numbers doubling over the past week they will now be requiring restaurants to check starting 1 November, though again there is the back door that the business will not be liable for making sure it is authentic - I would imagine because most places are not just going to have a QR reader lying around. So the impact of that will be somewhat undermined. Anyone who's a regular anywhere will have no problem getting around it. But, maybe it'll convince a few stragglers to get the jab. Right now we are sitting at just under 60% of the (total) population vaccinated, which is a fair bit below the EU average. Another issue altogether though is workplaces, where they are now going to start requiring masks again. But Italy for example has just made vaccination a requirement to come to the workplace. Unless someone has a legitimate health reason, anyone unvaccinated has to stay at home without pay. That would never go over here, to be honest.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Heads up to anyone playing old timer hockey locally. Double vaxxed or not.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1453723580697440259

COVID-19 sweeps through Newmarket men's hockey league

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

Heads up to anyone playing old timer hockey locally. Double vaxxed or not.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1453723580697440259

COVID-19 sweeps through Newmarket men's hockey league

Was bound to happen. There's almost zero ventilation in change rooms and no one masks. And there are often unvaccinated kids in the change room immediately before.

 

[Rand0m]

Heads up to anyone playing old timer hockey locally. Double vaxxed or not.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1453723580697440259

COVID-19 sweeps through Newmarket men's hockey league

With how much of the virus this super spreader was shedding, enough to get that many double vaccinated people sick, I have a hard time believing that this unknown person was properly double vaccinated. If even someone from the opposite team caught it on the ice while playing, it likely means this person already felt some symptoms when they decided to play. The heavy breathing and close contact nature of hockey means that this person was in the peak shedding period and breathing all over his teammates. I hope it's not a case of someone forging a vaccination proof to play beer league hockey.

 

[slamigo]

Was bound to happen. There's almost zero ventilation in change rooms and no one masks. And there are often unvaccinated kids in the change room immediately before.

I play in an Old Timer league and they request that everyone mask up even in the dressing room. Masks on until helmet goes on. Maybe people mixed up water bottles or didn't bother with masks? Also wonder if they were having beers after the game in the dressing rooms? We have a little restaurant that we can use to go get a beer. But nobody wears a mask when you're drinking your beer. Scary.

 

[HSF]

how are people still not believers in the vaccine?

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Heads up to anyone playing old timer hockey locally. Double vaxxed or not.
https://twitter.com/i/events/1453723580697440259

COVID-19 sweeps through Newmarket men's hockey league

proof of vax in my league.no kids

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

I play in an Old Timer league and they request that everyone mask up even in the dressing room. Masks on until helmet goes on. Maybe people mixed up water bottles or didn't bother with masks? Also wonder if they were having beers after the game in the dressing rooms? We have a little restaurant that we can use to go get a beer. But nobody wears a mask when you're drinking your beer. Scary.

My leagues mandate masks in the dressing room but everyone takes them off.

 

[Oscar The Grouch]

proof of vax in my league.no kids

Same as the league in the article.

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Same as the league in the article.

Yes. Scary shit.

Though this is abnormal in my opinion. I think the arena has most likely had no real extra cleaning, and people were not very careful.

 

[Stylizer1]

Quick fact: 40 people between the age of 1 and 59 have died from covid in Ottawa. Underlying health conditions undetermined.

Daily COVID-19 Dashboard

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Was bound to happen. There's almost zero ventilation in change rooms and no one masks. And there are often unvaccinated kids in the change room immediately before.

I don’t think that makes a difference. Sounds like vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

 

[FunkySeeFunkyDoo]

I don’t think that makes a difference. Sounds like vaccinated can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.th...ely-unjabbed-infect-cohabiters-study-suggests

That link doesn't work for me. Think you might have lopped off the final few characters or something.

WRT the bolded ... I have seen studies that conclude that vaccinated people spread the virus at a much lower rate than unvaccinated. I'll see if I can dig them up.