OT: LOCAL COVID19 - PART I... Seriously, local only

[solidaritypucks]

The writing is on the wall for a fall/winter lock-down. They might even bring in the troops this time like the Aussies.

 

[GCK]

check the thread

Somewhat misleading. This system is being developed for International Travel and then likely federally regulated travel at a later date. We are only at the Statement of Work phase right now. The way the system will work is that a client will access a provincial, territorial, Indigenous, etc portal to request generation of their PVC (proof of vaccination credential) which will be sent from the PTI database to an IRCC application which will counter sign the PVC and generate the QR code for the client. At this point only CBSA and other International Border Agencies will have access to read the QR code. Could this be rolled out to a wider audience to use as a domestic "passport" sure but that is not the mandate that the GoC has given at this point and there are many hoops to jump through to make that happen. So the "fact checker" is providing misleading information based on something that was leaked to him.

 

[DrEasy]

In Ottawa, we currently have 10 people in the hospital and just 1 in the ICU with COVID. We can cope.

We're at 70% fully-vaccinated, 75% with one dose. Numbers are increasing every day.

I understand that other regions are in worse shape, and I'm not suggesting we drop all restrictions in an hour, but we can start making next steps:

• The province should begin allowing regional health agencies to make their own decisions on restrictions (we're passed a crisis point where a one-size-fits-all approach was needed)
• If we implement vaccine passports, we should start easing mask mandates in certain spaces
• We should start increasing capacity at indoor gatherings and events (i.e. concerts and Sens games)

The next massive milestone will be kids vaccinations, but after that, we can and should start getting back to normal. It doesn't have to be doom and gloom all the time. Vaccines are miraculous.

We can cope precisely because we've been good in Ottawa. And "we can cope" still means elective surgeries postponed by many many months (I know first hand). We have a huge backlog.

 

[DaveMatthew]

We can cope precisely because we've been good in Ottawa. And "we can cope" still means elective surgeries postponed by many many months (I know first hand). We have a huge backlog.

So your timeline for easing restrictions is when we work through the backlog of elective surgeries?

There’ll be a time, soon, when there’ll be no one in the hospital with COVID here in Ottawa, and 80%+ of people will be fully vaccinated. That’s not enough? Still too risky?

 

[Ice-Tray]

So your timeline for easing restrictions is when we work through the backlog of elective surgeries?

There’ll be a time, soon, when there’ll be no one in the hospital with COVID here in Ottawa, and 80%+ of people will be fully vaccinated. That’s not enough? Still too risky?

Get kids vaccinated and get back to me with the rest of the noise and maybe I’ll be more receptive is my stance.

Talk is incredibly cheap.

 

[DrEasy]

So your timeline for easing restrictions is when we work through the backlog of elective surgeries?

There’ll be a time, soon, when there’ll be no one in the hospital with COVID here in Ottawa, and 80%+ of people will be fully vaccinated. That’s not enough? Still too risky?

I didn't say that...

 

[AchtzehnBaby]

Heading to the WC qualifier game tonight! First time since Feb 19, 2020, when the Senators beat Buffalo at CTC

 

[JD1]

Israel today is making three doses the mandate
They also have time limit so six months after your second dose you become unvaccinated and need booster

where does it end?

It's likely not going to end

It's likely that this will become like getting an annual flu shot. I've never had a flu shot but I'll have no issue getting in line for an annual covid shot

 

[BankStreetParade]

It's likely not going to end

It's likely that this will become like getting an annual flu shot. I've never had a flu shot but I'll have no issue getting in line for an annual covid shot

It will though. Viral mutations usually end up morphing into something capable of replicating at a much higher frequency but resulting in far milder symptoms. We'll see variants of the current virus that are more deadly but will be more localized.

If we have one that's more transmissible and more deadly though, we're f***ed.

 

[GCK]

It will though. Viral mutations usually end up morphing into something capable of replicating at a much higher frequency but resulting in far milder symptoms. We'll see variants of the current virus that are more deadly but will be more localized.

If we have one that's more transmissible and more deadly though, we're f***ed.

Generally speaking, as people get infected by mutations our immune systems learn to deal with them better, even the more transmissible and severe. It may take vaccinations and several cycles to get their but this is what happens with Novel viruses. I think this will become closer to the common cold within a decade or two.

 

[SPF6ty9]

The writing is on the wall for a fall/winter lock-down. They might even bring in the troops this time like the Aussies.

I'm not gonna go as far as saying troops will be brought in. But I would wager strongly on another winter lockdown. Eventually we'll start to look more like the US and Israel, don't see how that isn't inevitable beyond shutting the country down.

I also think once people realize that vaccines aren't an end covid solution and that boosters will become a requirement for every 6-8 months or whatever, the push back may eventually increase. Maybe less so here, but you can probably set your watch to it in the US. Everything that has been tried by govs. so far, even if it's worked in the short term, has not had the hoped long term impact. The goal post moving is cliche, but until the virus mutates into something safer (which hopefully it does, this is not a fun way to live) the pattern of: "implement restriction, works in the ST starts to falter in the LT, increase restriction" will likely continue.

Next few weeks will be interesting with schools coming back. It's such a conundrum: schools are probably just about the most important thing to keep open for mental health so kids can develop properly and be social. But, the spread risk is large in doing so.

 

[IlTerrifico]

I am always amazed that people, locally and nationally, don't get more outraged with the amount of covid cases coming in by air. All the domestic care seems to be largely defeated by a policy allowing huge amounts of cases, with related multipliers and variant content, to arrive at airports, where other passengers on these planes may of course develop symptoms in the days after their arrival.

TOP SOURCES OF COVID-19 INFECTED INTERNATIONAL FLIGHTS, AUG. 1-7

(July’s total in parenthesis)

1. United States, 46 (156)
2. Casablanca, 15 (32)
3. Amsterdam, 11 (34)
4. Frankfurt, 8 (26)
5. Paris, 8 (36)
6. London, 6 (18)
7. Istanbul, 6 (26)
8. Doha, 5 (25)

Seems almost as weak as the U.S. letting all the cases come across their southern border without even bothering to do tests and isolate. Insanity!

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

 

[YouGotAStuGoing]

Ottawa records first COVID-19 death in two months

 

[Flamingo]

What's the latest on arena capacity? Last I heard, NHL arenas in Ontario are still limited to 1000 spectators.

 

[FormentonTheFuture]

What's the latest on arena capacity? Last I heard, NHL arenas are still limited to 1000 spectators.

Do you mean in Ontario? I believe Montreal is 7500 and Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg are all 100%

 

[Flamingo]

Do you mean in Ontario? I believe Montreal is 7500 and Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg are all 100%

Yeah, sorry, in Ontario. Edited.

From what I can tell, the Sens are selling every seat in the house, hoping for the best. I've heard the Leafs aren't selling any tickets until they get clarification. I'm talking single-game tickets, not seasons.

 

[Billy Bridges]

Do you mean in Ontario? I believe Montreal is 7500 and Edmonton, Calgary and Winnipeg are all 100%

Full capacity crowds in Edmonton and Calgary sound like the "Best Season Ever".

 

[Sensmileletsgo]

Full capacity crowds in Edmonton and Calgary sound like the "Best Season Ever".

Lol ya I’d be surprised if that’s allowed by start of season in Alberta.

 

[JD1]

Personally I think 2 shots in the arm and a mask and you're good to go. The data overwhelmingly says healthy double vaxxed folks are not at risk of dying. We're going to have to live with this, perhaps forever. Make people show a vax status to get around and let er rip

 

[Taluss]

Personally I think 2 shots in the arm and a mask and you're good to go. The data overwhelmingly says healthy double vaxxed folks are not at risk of dying. We're going to have to live with this, perhaps forever. Make people show a vax status to get around and let er rip

Isnt this pretty much exactly where we are at now? Mask and vax and you can do pretty much everything?

I doubt this will last forever. I can see in the years to come the covid vax will turn into like a flu shot kinda thing. Will take time but that’s where I see it eventually.

 

[Flamingo]

Isnt this pretty much exactly where we are at now? Mask and vax and you can do pretty much everything?

I doubt this will last forever. I can see in the years to come the covid vax will turn into like a flu shot kinda thing. Will take time but that’s where I see it eventually.

Mask and vax and social distance / limit capacity. The capacity limit is the rub. I bet we could get higher than 1000, maybe Quebec's 7500 limit is ok. But we still shouldn't be shoulder-to-shoulder inside, yelling, etc. Vaccinated crowds are still a transmission medium, although attenuated quite a bit from unvaccinated crowds. As long as we have unvaccinated children going to school, events like hockey games at full capacity would just propagate school break-outs across the city.

 

[JD1]

Mask and vax and social distance / limit capacity. The capacity limit is the rub. I bet we could get higher than 1000, maybe Quebec's 7500 limit is ok. But we still shouldn't be shoulder-to-shoulder inside, yelling, etc. Vaccinated crowds are still a transmission medium, although attenuated quite a bit from unvaccinated crowds. As long as we have unvaccinated children going to school, events like hockey games at full capacity would just propagate school break-outs across the city.

Idk what the answer is...i just don't see this going away and agree it's going to end up as an annual shot thing

We can be kept contained forever

 

[Flamingo]

Idk what the answer is...i just don't see this going away and agree it's going to end up as an annual shot thing

We can be kept contained forever

Yeah, we ultimately need to get back to normal. We just have to get there without overwhelming our hospitals, doctors, and nurses. What does that mean? Vaccinate children? Invest in more hospitals and staff? Make all indoor venues upgrade their ventilation and air filtration?

 

[Xspyrit]

Sorry this is in french but I'm sure a lot of people in Ottawa speak enough french



I mean there's a lot of flabbergasting hilarious stuff in there but the fact that this was a "peaceful protest" and that there was several people bullying and threatening that humorist tells you all you need to know