List of objective mistakes Keefe could make in the playoffs (A priori, aka before) (speak now or forever hold your peace).

[Hellcat]

So telling the truth is telling someone off? Interesting. I'll repeat, you seem fragile based on how you'd respond to criticism or being called out for your actions.

Leadership is understanding people need to be motivated in different ways, looked like his motivation worked as they outplayed the opposition.

... the Leafs scored 2 unanswered in the 3rd to close out the period, the ice was already tilted in Toronto's favor, Keefes speech did nothing to motivate the players, the Leafs just continued that momentum through OT. I suppose you can interpret Keefe speech your way, if you are being myopic and not considering the events prior.

You're being a hypocrite, on one hand you are saying people need to be motivated in different ways and on the other hand applauding Keefe's dumbass one speech for everyone. Which is it sparky, one size fits all or targeted messages? Ever hear of the saying "read the room"? Look at the body language of those players.

Emotionally secure adults do not interpret being appropriately challenged as being fragile, it's a bit of an unusual interpretation, a classic textbook study in projection. End of the day you're wrong, on multiple points. Move on little fella.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

11F/7D...

That won't happen in the playoffs ... I assume.

 

[thusk]

... the Leafs scored 2 unanswered in the 3rd to close out the period, the ice was already tilted in Toronto's favor, Keefes speech did nothing to motivate the players, the Leafs just continued that momentum through OT. I suppose you can interpret Keefe speech your way, if you are being myopic and not considering the events prior.

You're being a hypocrite, on one hand you are saying people need to be motivated in different ways and on the other hand applauding Keefe's dumbass one speech for everyone. Which is it sparky, one size fits all or targeted messages? Ever hear of the saying "read the room"? Look at the body language of those players.

Emotionally secure adults do not interpret being appropriately challenged as being fragile, it's a bit of an unusual interpretation, a classic textbook study in projection. End of the day you're wrong, on multiple points. Move on little fella.

Do you think a coach like quenneville cooper, sullivan or whatever only made encouragemenent speech every time. They didn't tell the truth to his leader when they didn't deliver as much they should?

, leafs came back ... with 2 lucky goal, its not whats fiving back leafs momemtum... During 1st 60 habs was the best team in this game, he just been honest with his player, Keefe just tell the truth... i dont know in wich kind of reality youre leaving... im pretty sure if youre not doing your job correctly and expecting more of you, your boss will tell you... its exactly the same thing keefe did...thats it

 

[AvroArrow]

Keefes only problem is over thinking. It's like he gets nervous in the playoffs and strays away from the gameplan and overthinks, which just ends up essentially making him shoot himself in the foot

1) Too much line juggling, guys don't get a good flow or stay comfortable

2) Straying away from the puck possession game we play, and electing to dress very slow players (Simmonds last year) who hit, but don't do much else. There was a few really bad decisions he made last year, scratching Lily was the biggest one. I still genuinely believe we got absolutely shafted by the league, but with Lily in the lineup we would have overcame that for sure. Holl had some very costly mistakes.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Murray ain’t it.

Samsonov should start every game in round 1

 

[Steven1562]

Play Justin Holl in game 7.

 

[Havoc]

There is nothing such as objective when it comes to Keefe.

Pure bias from management is the only reason he's still our coach. Not going to raise my blood pressure getting started on this guy. List is too long.

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

Playing Kerfoot too high in the lineup.

Over relying on Holl.

Not giving Matthews one of Marner or Nylander to play with.

Special teams killing us again will also be on him so he better get the PP and PK in order.

Adding playing Murray over Samsonov. It’ll be one thing if Samsonov is so bad in Games 1 and 2 that pulling him for Murray would make sense, but if he starts Game 1 with Murray it’ll be a travesty.

Keefe is real bad at developing young players and has little trust in them come playoff time, and it seems he views Samsonov in that light. He has all the time in the world for veterans who continue to f*** up though.

 

[Menzinger]

Adding playing Murray over Samsonov. It’ll be one thing if Samsonov is so bad in Games 1 and 2 that pulling him for Murray would make sense, but if he starts Game 1 with Murray it’ll be a travesty.

Keefe is real bad at developing young players and has little trust in them come playoff time, and it seems he views Samsonov in that light. He has all the time in the world for veterans who continue to f*** up though.

To be fair I don't think you can extend that to the goalies. He's still splitting the goalies through the rest of the regular season, but it's not necessarily representative of what he'll do come game 1 against the Lightening

Keefe is going to ride whomever he thinks will win the games

 

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Starting Murray

 

[Ianturnedbull]

f*** you Keefe!

 

[PeE eL DuBoiS]

Not playing Nylander with Matthews and constantly calling Nylander out as his whipping boy.

Not holding Marner, Tavares, Rielly and Matthews to the same level of accountability as other players when they f*** up.

Running the same powerplay strategy over and over in a 7 game series, even if it doesn't work for the first dozen attempts.

Playing the goalie he thinks should be the hot starter, versus playing the goalie actually putting up solid numbers. This is largely my complaint with Keefe. He imagines things working out the way he thinks they should, rather than observing reality. He thinks he knows something everyone doesn't and will not adapt when he's wrong.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Starting Murray

We need Woll as the backup.

Sorry Keefe. Face facts.

Time to play Woll.

 

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We need Woll as the backup.

Sorry Keefe. Face facts.

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Time to play Woll.

Fully agree. I am not a fan of Murrays game at all. What really annoys me about him as well is that he never takes accountability for his poor play. He is always pointing the finger at everybody else when he is the reason why the team lost the game.

Woll looks like he is ready to take the next step. He has potential to be an NHL starter, just needs some experience.

 

[Lightsol]

Play Justin Holl in game 7.

FIFY. Unfortunately, I think we're going to see this anyway... Keefe has got Lilj second-guessing himself and making costlly mistakes again, which he'll jump on as an excuse to pressbox him and play Holl, just like last year.

 

[Teeder Keon]

Reading all of our drunken high dumbass smoking hot takes and coaching expertise …











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[Gabriel426]

I think Keefe should stop coaching and just let ROR, Gio, take over the team in terms of strategies and matchups…

 

[hullsy47]

Do you think a coach like quenneville cooper, sullivan or whatever only made encouragemenent speech every time. They didn't tell the truth to his leader when they didn't deliver as much they should?

, leafs came back ... with 2 lucky goal, its not whats fiving back leafs momemtum... During 1st 60 habs was the best team in this g ame, he just been honest with his player, Keefe just tell the truth... i dont know in wich kind of reality youre leaving... im pretty sure if youre not doing your job correctly and expecting more of you, your boss will tell you... its exactly the same thing keefe did...thats it

Keefe hasn't achieved anything like those coaches
With the money spent on this core 5 he should get 100 plus points a year
To be compared to great coaches is absurd
I'd say throw in Claude Julien Bruce Cassidy and Barry trotz that come to mid
Please don't ever compare Keefe to anything more than what he is
Coach of a very talented team!

 

[notbias]

With the money spent on this core 5 he should get 100 plus points a year

Every team has the same salary cap (minus Tampa some years)

 

[thusk]

Keefe hasn't achieved anything like those coaches
With the money spent on this core 5 he should get 100 plus points a year
To be compared to great coaches is absurd
I'd say throw in Claude Julien Bruce Cassidy and Barry trotz that come to mid
Please don't ever compare Keefe to anything more than what he is
Coach of a very talented team!

Quenneville in his first 11 season as coach, he past 2nd only once and had some really solid team with colorado and stl

Just like that

Post season with
Rielly-Barrie
Dermott-Holl
Marincin-ceci

As D group, this group was maybe of 2-4 worst defensive group of entire NHL

Year 2...

His second line was kerfoot galchenyuk and nylander... didn't had any depht offensivly...

Foligno ( injured)/brooks/nash ,mikheyev, engvall, simmonds, spezza, thornton was leafs bottom 6
+
He lost his #1 defensive D

If you watch with all injuries
Outside or matthews/marner line Montreal was a better team everywhere
-Mtl 2,3 and 4th line was better
-montreal D without Muzzin was better
-Their goaltending was better

Last year they faced the best team in the east it was a coin toss as serie

So since keefe is coach, he had 1 great talented team ( last season) in 3 post season and a season where this series was pratically the eastern conference final...

Despite the money you spent to your top 6, you still need depht to win in playoff and its exactly what Duvas unerstood and made at TDL...

 

[DarkKnight]

I’m really glad we have ROR, I think in those key moments he will say the right things that perhaps Keefe won’t realize to say. Not only has he been there, he was the MVP, the leader.

 

[ACC1224]

Keefe hasn't achieved anything like those coaches
With the money spent on this core 5 he should get 100 plus points a year
To be compared to great coaches is absurd
I'd say throw in Claude Julien Bruce Cassidy and Barry trotz that come to mid
Please don't ever compare Keefe to anything more than what he is
Coach of a very talented team!

It does seem like the Team wins more in spite of the coach than because of the coach.

 

[notbias]

I don't see a lot of specifics in this thread and am seeing a lot of things we can't judge... which is what I expected

 

[Dekes For Days]

I don't see a lot of specifics in this thread and am seeing a lot of things we can't judge... which is what I expected

Keefe is horrible and only has a mind-bogglingly great record because he's dragging down a generational superteam.
Also, the person who built that generational superteam is horrible, and it's only a superteam because of the couple players that were drafted under a different GM. They're the entire team.
Also, we should trade those couple players.

HFboards logic 101.

 

[HamiltonNHL]

Woll as backup to Samsonov is a better move than Murray.

Keefe knows it. But he’ll play Murray I bet