Rumor: Lindholm Mega Thread: All Rumors/Proposals Go Here

[Homesick]

Adding Lindholm would make the Oilers instant contenders. I doubt the Ducks wants any part of that.

Plus I doubt the Oilers want to help the Ducks with their little problem child. 29 other teams are better off with Lindholm sitting on the sidelines

 

[Gliff]

Gardiner, 2018 1st (top 5 protected), Kapanen
for
Lindholm, Stoner

You get a 22 year old #1 defensemen and wont even offer your 1st unprotected?

 

[Uncle Gary]

Lots of cancerous posts in here that's for sure

 

[Sojourn]

Who cares?

5.63mil offersheet is 1st+3rd. Why would EDM offer more for a guy they can sheet tomorrow?

Player is also 5 weeks out from sitting the season. He ll sign a sheet for sure to get his ask, instead of sitting out come dec 1.

Let's play reverse Jeopardy.

What is the most overused threat from opposing fans?

Now you go. Oh wait, you already did.

 

[crowi]

1st, top two protected, straight up, no more not less

Laughable.

 

[gwh]

He has an offer on the table for 5+ For 6 years, so i have no idea what youre talking about. You have to overpay well past that number, or offer a poison pill short term contract with a very high qualifying offer on his next RFA contract.

Offer sheets only work if the team holding the player's rights cannot financially match(and they can easily match the number you proposed), or when the salary offered is well beyond the player's actual value (which the number you proposed is not).

The number of teams who can offer enough money to do anything other than make an offer sheet the Ducks cant easily match is quite small. Keep in mind that any NMC go away if the Ducks match, so don't expect to buy the price down with one of those either.

I know 100% what I am talking about, try to keep up...

Primarily they work because the player signs them. Come december 1st and Lindholm will sign any scrap that lets him play. Then ANA matches and **he gets his ask**.

Another reason to sign is the term. Look at ROR and Hammer sheets for reference. Short contracts.

5.6 mil with no UFA years is much much better offer than 5.3 x 6 or whatever the ANA offer is.

 

[BrendanGallagher11]

Sergachev will be better than lindholm
No way habs do this

 

[LondonKendrick]

Oh, yeah, your well-thought-out argument that consists of dismissing advanced NHL stats in favour of advanced international tournament stats, with their short sample sizes reducing any such analysis to absurdity.

There is no good case to be made for Rielly being equal or better. Which everyone minus a few Leafs fans with a prosecution complex knows.

Yawns, troll tatics to gloss over the context of each individual point....

Advanced stats such as corsi are reflective of a team game more so than an individual's player. I would contend, that say the Leafs drafted Hampus and the Ducks Rielly their advanced stats would reflect their teammates and suspect stats would be inverted.

I went on to point out that Rielly played exceptionally well defensively in international role (wasn't on the ice for an even strength goals against through WC paired with Tanev). So the myth that there is a large gap between Hampus and Rielly is suspect to say the least.

'There is no good case' Ok, again I provide an argument you appeal to some suspect message board consensus, you're making this far to easy of me...

 

[Sojourn]

Sergachev will be better than lindholm
No way habs do this

Lindholm is, and will remain better than Sergachev.

No way Anaheim does this.

See what I did there? And what I said is actually true.

 

[kk87]

JVR @ 50% + unprotected 2017 1st for Lindholm + Stoner... would any Ducks fans bite on that?

 

[UnicornONtheCOBB]

i get this might not be the perfect package from the Ducks point of view, but it does fit in and it is a huge package.

Nurse is only making 1 million per, was taken 7th overall, is young, and has the potential to be a very good young Dman.

Pulujarvi was taken 4th overall and has tons of upside. has top line potential.

the Ducks don't want to take on salary, what exactly are they looking for and expecting. I'm sure they'd love to keep Hampus, but this deal was just an attempt to see if something like this would work.

 

[Sojourn]

This is a bad deal for Anaheim. Anaheim clearly gives up the best player it the deal, and the return is a bunch of question marks and, amazingly, a cap dump.

And being question marks doesn't mean they are bad prospects. They aren't. But their value is entirely based on potential. Anaheim would want more, considering they are taking all the risk.

 

[LondonKendrick]

You get a 22 year old #1 defensemen and wont even offer your 1st unprotected?

Timothy >> Lindholm
Nolan >>> Lindholm

So the pick is obviously protected, duh

 

[respect the D]

Lindholm is, and will remain better than Sergachev.

No way Anaheim does this.

See what I did there? And what I said is actually true.

may I borrow your crystal ball?

 

[kk87]

Timothy >> Lindholm
Nolan >>> Lindholm

So the pick is obviously protected, duh

Lindholm is close to, if not equally, as valuable as Liljegren and Patrick at this point in time. Also, keep in mind there is a very small chance the Leafs will be in a spot to draft either of those players.

 

[Ducks DVM]

Lucic is breaking down? (We're not talking about Kesler getting 6.875 million until he's 38)
What planet does a #1 UFA sign for 5 million a year?

HF just loves shoveling ******** to suit their arguments.

Yes, his production has been diminishing for years. Pretty easy to fact check that.

Kesler being a garbage contract that'll hurt in a few years (it is, and it will) doesn't mean that the Lucic contract isn't a bit too much and quite a bit too long as well. It's possible for more than one team to make stupid mistakes. McDavid didn't get him there, job $ecurity did. That just sounds like a really bad thing to say in an interview, so they'll use terms like "winning culture", "great fans", "great place to play", "great future", "great teammates", etc.

So you're saying Edmonton has improved to the point where they can land high profile free agents by offering competitive contracts? That is a huge jump from where we used to be.

It's also pretty funny that you seem to think UFA #1 D are only worth 5.5M. Sekera got paid like a good #3, which is what he is.

It's 24th highest Cap hit for defensemen in the NHL, so yes - he's paid like a 1D. I agree that he's a good 3D, but that's not what his pay is.

And no, I said you're in a position where you can land the top free agents (which is a far cry from the best players in the NHL) if you overpay on money and term. Of course, that just means you're like every other team in the NHL. When a top free agent takes a pay CUT to play in Edmonton so they can play with mcdavid, THEN you can brag.

I don't mean to sound like I'm belittling what it's been like to root for Edmonton, because I'm not. Competent management is finally doing what should have been done years ago. But it's still not a destination of choice, and it's not like the Ducks are a horrible team in a horrible city in a horrible climate. It's going to take more than a couple extra dollars to get someone to go to a team that's still years away from contending in a far worse climate.

 

[dracom]

Timothy >> Lindholm
Nolan >>> Lindholm

So the pick is obviously protected, duh

Prospects >> proven players is a ridiculous statement. Might as well suggest Nolan >> Crosby.

 

[Makar Goes Fast]

Gardiner, 2018 1st (top 5 protected), Kapanen
for
Lindholm, Stoner

when was the last time a pick was traded with a top 5 protected clause in it (or any protection). these seem to be an hf favourite but unless im mistaken picks are usually based on the player traded performance (aka yak), not the pick position itself.

 

[WhatTheDuck]

Timothy >> Lindholm
Nolan >>> Lindholm

So the pick is obviously protected, duh

Lol only on HF

 

[Sojourn]

i get this might not be the perfect package from the Ducks point of view, but it does fit in and it is a huge package.

Nurse is only making 1 million per, was taken 7th overall, is young, and has the potential to be a very good young Dman.

Pulujarvi was taken 4th overall and has tons of upside. has top line potential.

the Ducks don't want to take on salary, what exactly are they looking for and expecting. I'm sure they'd love to keep Hampus, but this deal was just an attempt to see if something like this would work.

I don't trust Nurse. I think there is the risk with him that he's just going to be a better version of a Luca Sbisa type player: Great tools, but lacking the hockey IQ to use them effectively.

Or (gag) Bieksa.

As talented as Nurse is, I have a hard time seeing him turn into that very good defenseman, unless things just click.

 

[Sojourn]

may I borrow your crystal ball?

What, you don't want to just borrow BrendanGallagher11's? I wouldn't either. It doesn't sound like it's working properly.

 

[Soundwave]

Really don't understand what the Ducks are doing here. Just trade Fowler already and use that cap room to sign Lindholm.

Yes you may not get the perfect return but maybe you should've been more proactive on trying to move Fowler earlier in the off-season.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Prospects >> proven players is a ridiculous statement. Might as well suggest Nolan >> Crosby.

Uh huh, potential franchise top two picks don't hold value over RFA stars? Ok....

Hampus is Crosby in this analogy....

Ok... really strong point, see if you can trade Hampus for either Nolan or Timmy on draft day.

 

[LondonKendrick]

Lol only on HF

And reality where you couldn't trade Hampus for either of those players?

It's cute that people are talking about Lindholm like he's elite. He might take that next step and he might not.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Timothy >> Lindholm
Nolan >>> Lindholm

So the pick is obviously protected, duh

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