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[crowi]

Lindholm for D. Hamilton.

No take backs

Hamilton is a lot worse than Lindholm and paid even more than expected. Seems like a tirefire guy to me from watching 3 games this year..

 

[Ducks DVM]

quote from Lucic before July 1st,

On what Lucic is looking for in a team: “It’s not all about the money, you want to be at a place where you have fun at the rink.†… “Winning is a big thing for me, I have not won the Cup since 2011, once you get that taste, you want to re-live it.â€

quit trying to talk crap and stick with the subject of the thread

Yes, his production has been diminishing for years. Pretty easy to fact check that.

Kesler being a garbage contract that'll hurt in a few years (it is, and it will) doesn't mean that the Lucic contract isn't a bit too much and quite a bit too long as well. It's possible for more than one team to make stupid mistakes. McDavid didn't get him there, job $ecurity did. That just sounds like a really bad thing to say in an interview, so they'll use terms like "winning culture", "great fans", "great place to play", "great future", "great teammates", etc.

If he wanted a Cup, he re-signed with the Kings. Or any of about a dozen other teams not in any Canadian city not named Montreal. That's PR, he wanted the money.

How about you respect the difference between talking crap and discussing a topic?

So why didn't you do it if its so easy?
Lucic
2014-15 81GP 18G 26A 44Pts
2015-16 81GP 20G 35A 55Pts

2010-11 30G 32A 62P
2011-12 26G 35A 61P
2012-13 7G 20A 27P (46 games)
2013-14 24G 35A 59P

So yeah, his production is down over years, not year. Those goal totals are diminishing, and so is his overall play if you actually watch him. His shot totals are decreasing as well. Also, take the hat off, it draws attention.

As with Kesler, his play isn't the issue now, he's probably worth it. Pretty much nobody thinks he will be in 6 years, so it took a desperate team to get that contract (pretty much exactly like the Ducks were for a 2C with Kesler).

 

[KingDeathMetal]

Ryan McDonagh for Lindholm.

 

[odishabs]

Lindholm

for

Beaulieu and a 1st round pick

 

[McDavyCrockett]

Pretty much were bad trade partners, specially being in Division... giving the oilers lindholm prob puts em over the top

I don't get this. With the Sharks' aging core + inconsistency in net, and the Kings lack of skill up front/depth on the blue-line/Quick being sidelined for half the year, the division would be Anaheim's for the taking.

 

[Sojourn]

Lindholm

for

Beaulieu and a 1st round pick

I'd say no to Beaulieu for the same reason I'd say no to Nurse.

Good tools. Not a smart player. Given Anaheim's current blue line, Beaulieu is solidly behind Fowler and Vatanen. I'd be more comfortable developing guys like Theodore and Larsson, because they would be cheaper, and I like their upside more. Beaulieu's current play isn't good enough for me to feel that him being established outweighs their potential.

He's just not very appealing. Not for Lindholm.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Nobody else was giving Lucic 7 years at that salary the way he was breaking down. Sekera got paid like a 1D until the age of 35, and he's not. Edmonton overpaid both on salary and term for two declining players, don't underestimate the lure of job security on potentially your last contract. Both players were essentially transients in California as well.

Lucic wasn't and isn't breaking down. Sekera isn't paid like a 1D. 1D get 6 million+. Sekera is paid like a 2/3 D, and that's what he is.

 

[bigpapycharles]

Why not shipping first round pick 17 for Hampus Lindholm ?

 

[Ducks DVM]

Lol. You make it sound like there is an upside to spending more years living in Edmonton as opposed to Los Angeles. As an Edmontonian expat who's been living in L.A. over the past year for med school, let me tell you that I would gladly take 4 million to stay here rather than get paid 6 million+ *anywhere* in Canada.

LA offered Lucic more term than Edmonton at his current salary at the time. LA offered Sekera the same money on a shorter term, and it was widely perceived to be a market value contract for the best UFA defenseman of the 2015 class......they both chose McDavid at extended terms in cold, snowy, sub-arctic Edmonton over sunny Tinseltown.

Again, do you really think that we're gonna have to offer Lindholm more than 7 mil on an OS to get him to sign without blinking?

So, Edmonton offered more money, and more security at the age hockey players have issues getting contracts, and it was McDavid they chose? It's not more years in Edmonton. It's more years getting paid.

That's not what I said. I said you'd have to offer that much to get him without Anaheim blinking. You aren't getting him for the 200K difference the post I referred to was proposing, because Edmonton would never offer it, because they know Anaheim would just match, and then not be a willing trade partner going forward. You have an old school GM now, who buys into the old boy network.

Market value for top UFA's is pretty much universally recognized as overpayment for what the player actually brings, because you're in a bidding war. You almost always regret it well before the contract ends.

 

[HanSolo]

Ducks say no.

Ducks don't even have to say no. This simply doesn't work.

 

[Redline]

Of course they don't. Lindholm wouldn't be available for them.

Your entire argument in this thread seems to be an awful lot of trying to pat yourself on the back, while you repeatedly put your foot in your mouth. I suppose that's one way to have a discussion, but saying it strengthens your argument suggests your argument had merit to begin with.

GM's don't move talents like Lindholm for question marks. There's a reason guys like Larsson and Seth Jones went for players like Hall and Johansen, and not prospects. It isn't because those prospects wouldn't be available. It's because it's the height of stupidity to move an established young talent for a complete unknown. High end D talents like that are among the most valuable commodities in the NHL. You don't squander that value by rolling the dice on a draft pick.

Edit: Lindholm isn't some top 4 quality D prospect. He's a top pairing defenseman, at the age of 22, who has #1 D potential. The bottom line is that the difference in potential, at this point in time, is still overshadowed by the difference in actual play. I'd even be willing to concede that Lindholm has less potential than Nolan Patrick. Just for the sake of argument. But he's a much safer bet, at this point, to hit his potential, and Nolan Patrick's upside isn't so great that a GM would ignore this.

Wasn't Hamilton dealt for picks only?

 

[Sojourn]

Really don't understand what the Ducks are doing here. Just trade Fowler already and use that cap room to sign Lindholm.

Yes you may not get the perfect return but maybe you should've been more proactive on trying to move Fowler earlier in the off-season.

Somehow I don't think Anaheim feels the same way right now. They are probably quite pleased that they held on to Fowler.

 

[Ducks in a row]

I don't get this. With the Sharks' aging core + inconsistency in net, and the Kings lack of skill up front/depth on the blue-line/Quick being sidelined for half the year, the division would be Anaheim's for the taking.

I though RC was such a bad coach that we would be lucky to make the playoffs? At least that is what a lot of people have made it sound like now the division would be ours for the taking after trading Lindholm to the Oilers hmm...

 

[Some Other Flame]

What about, D.Hamilton+Shinkaruk for Lindholm+Stoner

 

[Sojourn]

Wasn't Hamilton dealt for picks only?

You mean the Hamilton that reportedly wanted out of Boston, and who refused to sign with them? That's a little bit different, don't you think? That comparison makes more sense for Trouba. Boston needed to get rid of him, and even then the return raised more than a few eyebrows. I'm not really sure that shows it isn't stupid.

 

[crowi]

What about, D.Hamilton+Shinkaruk for Lindholm+Stoner

Hamilton is not worth his contract, so still no...

 

[crowi]

Ryan McDonagh for Lindholm.

This is pretty much the only deal I would consider here.

 

[crowi]

Ok then. I must have heard wrong.

Sergachev is a top-D now? You must have read wrong.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

What about, D.Hamilton+Shinkaruk for Lindholm+Stoner

No way would i trade H. Lindholm for D. Hamilton, Lindholm is way better then Hamilton. And besides BM said it was BS that he was even thinking about trading Lindholm.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Ryan McDonagh for Lindholm.

This would be an offer i could see BM doing even if he was thinking about trading Lindholm. Which he isn't.

 

[McDavyCrockett]

I though RC was such a bad coach that we would be lucky to make the playoffs? At least that is what a lot of people have made it sound like now the division would be ours for the taking after trading Lindholm to the Oilers hmm...

Even with Lindholm I don't see the Oilers being the best team in the division this year. Too many things have to go right.

Playoffs? Yes. But not the division title.

 

[onlygotmygrade10]

I think this offer is worthy of the 'Blockbuster' tag in the heading.

 

[Barilko14]

To Mtl :
Lindholm

To Anaheim :
Sergachev
Scherbak
Desharnais (cap dump)

So a cap dump to a team that desperately needs to dump some cap.

Makes sense.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Lindholm

for

Beaulieu and a 1st round pick

Sure and where is MB coming up with the $6.5 million or so to be able to sign Lindholm. Maybe Lindholm agrees to sign for say $5.5 million with Anaheim doesn't mean that he would sign for that less to play elsewhere.

 

[Redline]

You mean the Hamilton that reportedly wanted out of Boston, and who refused to sign with them? That's a little bit different, don't you think? That comparison makes more sense for Trouba. Boston needed to get rid of him, and even then the return raised more than a few eyebrows. I'm not really sure that shows it isn't stupid.

No not really. The point stands that it happens.