Rumor: Lindholm Mega Thread: All Rumors/Proposals Go Here

[northendninja]

If we're trading a defenseman, why don't we just trade Lindholm who has more value instead of helping the Jets?

-pretty much solely based on short team (2 year) affordability, and that RHD are in more of a need league wide than LHD...

I havent fact checked it, but on the radio they said only about 35% of NHL defensemen shoot right handed.

 

[Trxjw]

McKenzie, Dreger, etc have all said all 29 teams are interested in Trouba, the implied headache argument is just not true. It has also been reported that the Jets have had many significant offers for Trouba throughout the summer and fall. The Jets have their price set, and it has yet to be met. The Ducks are in a quandary with Lindholm but he is a player that would likely meet the Jets ask... From there, they can have a player just as young (NHL proven) and cheaper (again assuming Trouba signs a bridge) that they could use, or shop to the 28 other teams that have been reported interested... You would think that once that contract is signed, as the Ducks not having as stringent demands as the Jets, they could easily deal him for exactly what they want.

The headache argument is very much true. Sorry to say. Trouba is holding out to get away from Winnipeg, Lindholm is holding out over money and they're within a few hundred thousand of the final number.

If the Ducks put Lindholm on the market, he immediately becomes the best defender available, so again, what's the incentive to include the Jets? There isn't one. They'd be trading for a player who they have to negotiate a contract with, and who allegedly wants to play in the east, closer to home. They'd be better off just setting a price for Lindholm and watching the offers roll in from teams who can make a deal to better suit their needs. I.e., help up front.

 

[Exit Dose]

-pretty much solely based on short team (2 year) affordability, and that RHD are in more of a need league wide than LHD...

I havent fact checked it, but on the radio they said only about 35% of NHL defensemen shoot right handed.

Lindholm is a top pairing defenseman. Do you understand how significant the need around the league is for those?

 

[CaptainChef]

It only makes sense if you're hoping for someone to throw your team a life preserver. To anyone following Anaheim, we watched several key forwards leave without adequate replacement.

LOL if you don't believe that a Trouba + Dano = Lindholm + cap dump isn't aiding the Ducks as much as or more than it is the Jets.

 

[McSuper]

I know Anaheim has probably heard this offer a thousand times but thoughts on Gardiner + JVR?

EDIT: Thought Lindholm was a right shot. Still really interested but no as much as I would have been.

Lindholm would be signed if they had the cap space to do that . Maybe if the Leafs trade a cap dump as well . But not sure the Ducks fans view

 

[Exit Dose]

LOL if you don't believe that a Trouba + Dano = Lindholm + cap dump isn't aiding the Ducks as much as or more than it is the Jets.

No, it doesn't. You're not going to understand that, because you don't understand Anaheim's current situation at all. You just see something that you want for something that it appears you can't keep.

 

[Pongs21]

Lindholm is a top pairing defenseman. Do you understand how significant the need around the league is for those?

Trouba is also a top pairing defender.. so yes, actually.

 

[Exit Dose]

Trouba is also a top pairing defender.. so yes, actually.

No, he isn't. He may get there, but he's not that on a good team. Lindholm is.

 

[CaptainChef]

The headache argument is very much true. Sorry to say. Trouba is holding out to get away from Winnipeg, Lindholm is holding out over money and they're within a few hundred thousand of the final number.

If the Ducks put Lindholm on the market, he immediately becomes the best defender available, so again, what's the incentive to include the Jets? There isn't one. They'd be trading for a player who they have to negotiate a contract with, and who allegedly wants to play in the east, closer to home. They'd be better off just setting a price for Lindholm and watching the offers roll in from teams who can make a deal to better suit their needs. I.e., help up front.

And, if you truly believe that 0.250/yr is all that's holding up this deal, well what can I say. Its clear that the Ducks don't want this to go on forever & such a small amount would never hold up some sort of a compromise.

There's much larger issues at play here. Not sure what they are, but its clear that something else is holding this up. And if that isn't the case, well Ducks management clearly has a weird way of dealing with a guy who is and will continue to be their #1 D-man.

 

[Trxjw]

LOL if you don't believe that a Trouba + Dano = Lindholm + cap dump isn't aiding the Ducks as much as or more than it is the Jets.

How generous of the Jets to trade their headache and a spare forward prospect for the exact piece they need.

 

[CaptainChef]

Trouba is also a top pairing defender.. so yes, actually.

Indeed. And Trouba is a top pairing RHD (a much rarer commodity).

 

[lanky]

29 teams would be interested if Lindholm were made available.

Only a select few have the cap space to make it happen.

 

[Trxjw]

And, if you truly believe that 0.250/yr is all that's holding up this deal, well what can I say. Its clear that the Ducks don't want this to go on forever & such a small amount would never hold up some sort of a compromise.

There's much larger issues at play here. Not sure what they are, but its clear that something else is holding this up. And if that isn't the case, well Ducks management clearly has a weird way of dealing with a guy who is and will continue to be their #1 D-man.

It's what's been reported. They're obviously close on money and, as has been reported, are working on the years. They need to figure out how they're going to accommodate the contract once he signs it, and those issues combined are what's holding this up. You can't speculate that there's something else going on and then pretend it's a fact.

 

[Homesick]

Not once was our record mention . Most Oiler fans are still not believes after 10 years of sucking . Seems other fans bring up our record . Are you worried ? Go to the Oilers board and you will see that most Oilers fans see the Ducks as a team that will pass them in the standings . So your comments are a little off .

As for everything else he said he is right . I am hoping this drags on and Lindholm misses the season and cause players to stay as far away from the Ducks as possible . It not going to be an easy trade because the Ducks want full value for Lindholm but don't have the cap space to take on much $$$ . If the Ducks are looking for a #1 D signed to a good cheap contract it just isn't happening . Why would any GM trade a signed #1 D tab a cheap contract for a unsigned D that is going to cost more ?

Lindholm while a very good young D is overrated . I would not trade Larsson straight up for him . I am not saying Larsson is better but he signed long term at a reasonable contract he is a RHD which are harder to come by .

Good luck getting a fair value deal for him unless it for a package of lessor pieces . I do wish it was over for Lindholm sake . Missing time as a young developing player hurts their long term ability to achieve their highest potential

I see a lot of other HF posters bringing up the Oilers record probably because of all the crow they will have to eat. Constant bashing of the Talbot signing(career back up), Sekera(#4 defenseman at best but bottom pairing on a contender), Lucic signing(worst contract in the league), Larsson/Hall trade, signing Russel(no team wanted him), and failing to sign Versteeg(a team that no on wanted and still left the Oilers as soon as he got the chance).
The Oilers are still a bubble team at best but they'll still be massively improved over last year(they improved by 8 points last year and cut the goal +/- by 40 something)
I'm more than happy to see teams like Winnipeg, and Anaheim flop and have their RFA's sit on the sidelines

 

[Ducks DVM]

Uhh....Milan Lucic and Andrej Sekera both took less than 1 mil in a pay raise to dip SoCal for Edmonton as UFAs.

You'll be amazed at the enticement value of Connor McDavid.

Nobody else was giving Lucic 7 years at that salary the way he was breaking down. Sekera got paid like a 1D until the age of 35, and he's not. Edmonton overpaid both on salary and term for two declining players, don't underestimate the lure of job security on potentially your last contract. Both players were essentially transients in California as well.

 

[McSuper]

Lindholm is a top pairing defenseman. Do you understand how significant the need around the league is for those?

Yes very valuable but lets be serious . How many teams can afford to sign him with out sending money back ? Ducks can't real afford to take $$$ back . Then according to some the Ducks want another #1D in return . Tell me what team is trading a #1D signed to a low enough cap hit to fit in the Ducks available cap space ? Then there the other GM . Why is he going to trade a #1D signed to a cheap contract hit for a #1D (Lindholm) That wants more money ?

Ducks fans won't be happy when he traded . 2 Years down the road they may be praising the move as the will get a package of lessor prospects and picks . The prospects will have high end potential so the Ducks could come out very well . Just don't expect an impact player that can play in the NHL right now signed to a cheap deal that fits your cap situation .

 

[Exit Dose]

Only a select few have the cap space to make it happen.

There are more than enough teams that can.

 

[Zegs2sendhelp]

Not once was our record mention . Most Oiler fans are still not believes after 10 years of sucking . Seems other fans bring up our record . Are you worried ? Go to the Oilers board and you will see that most Oilers fans see the Ducks as a team that will pass them in the standings . So your comments are a little off .

As for everything else he said he is right . I am hoping this drags on and Lindholm misses the season and cause players to stay as far away from the Ducks as possible . It not going to be an easy trade because the Ducks want full value for Lindholm but don't have the cap space to take on much $$$ . If the Ducks are looking for a #1 D signed to a good cheap contract it just isn't happening . Why would any GM trade a signed #1 D tab a cheap contract for a unsigned D that is going to cost more ?

Lindholm while a very good young D is overrated . I would not trade Larsson straight up for him . I am not saying Larsson is better but he signed long term at a reasonable contract he is a RHD which are harder to come by .

Good luck getting a fair value deal for him unless it for a package of lessor pieces . I do wish it was over for Lindholm sake . Missing time as a young developing player hurts their long term ability to achieve their highest potential

You shouldn't trade klef or larsson you should build around them, and hope to find an elite #1. Trading klef or larsson for a dmen is pretty much a lateral move from oiler perspective.

Also not interested in moving him, it's all just speculation if we did move him. And I highly doubt the ducks are interested in moving him.

 

[Exit Dose]

Yes very valuable but lets be serious . How many teams can afford to sign him with out sending money back ? Ducks can't real afford to take $$$ back . Then according to some the Ducks want another #1D in return . Tell me what team is trading a #1D signed to a low enough cap hit to fit in the Ducks available cap space ? Then there the other GM . Why is he going to trade a #1D signed to a cheap contract hit for a #1D (Lindholm) That wants more money ?

Ducks fans won't be happy when he traded . 2 Years down the road they may be praising the move as the will get a package of lessor prospects and picks . The prospects will have high end potential so the Ducks could come out very well . Just don't expect an impact player that can play in the NHL right now signed to a cheap deal that fits your cap situation .

Anaheim isn't going to get a number one defenseman in return. Come on. That's not an argument.

 

[Homesick]

Nobody else was giving Lucic 7 years at that salary the way he was breaking down. Sekera got paid like a 1D until the age of 35, and he's not. Edmonton overpaid both on salary and term for two declining players, don't underestimate the lure of job security on potentially your last contract. Both players were essentially transients in California as well.

Lucic is breaking down? (We're not talking about Kesler getting 6.875 million until he's 38)
What planet does a #1 UFA sign for 5 million a year?

HF just loves shoveling ******** to suit their arguments.

 

[oXo Cube]

Nobody else was giving Lucic 7 years at that salary the way he was breaking down. Sekera got paid like a 1D until the age of 35, and he's not. Edmonton overpaid both on salary and term for two declining players, don't underestimate the lure of job security on potentially your last contract. Both players were essentially transients in California as well.

So you're saying Edmonton has improved to the point where they can land high profile free agents by offering competitive contracts? That is a huge jump from where we used to be.

It's also pretty funny that you seem to think UFA #1 D are only worth 5.5M. Sekera got paid like a good #3, which is what he is.

 

[respect the D]

Lol. You're the one asking if we've seen him play, trying to prove that he's better than Lindholm already. You also said the Ducks were trying to trade him and called you out on your ********. You were wrong on both accounts, deal with it.

Never said he was better, learn to read. Second, everything is looking that the Ducks either can't afford to keep him... so I never asked for him nor has any other team. Your team is more then welcome to keep him...if they can.

 

[Canovin]

Adding Lindholm would make the Oilers instant contenders. I doubt the Ducks wants any part of that.

 

[Lust4LEAFS]

Gardiner, 2018 1st (top 5 protected), Kapanen
for
Lindholm, Stoner

 

[LondonKendrick]

Gardiner, 2018 1st (top 5 protected), Kapanen
for
Lindholm, Stoner

1st, top two protected, straight up, no more not less