Confirmed with Link: Lindholm + Hanifin to CAL for Hamilton, Fox and Ferland

FlyingSquirrels

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Counterpoint:
- Billionaire buys team, claims he'll spend whatever it takes to make team competitive, makes very frugal decisions from that point onward.
- Contracts can be broken, especially if the owner shows a lack of interest in the area. Which I suspect is the ultimate goal from Dundon. Though again, gut feeling/pessimism.
- We just traded two of our former top 5 picks because they didn't live up to expectations. Hard to get excited about any of our picks knowing that.
- I'm still of the opinion that the change in coach/GM was a poor choice, especially considering the shady way Dundon handled it.
- I don't see how losing out on a possible solution to our **** goaltending can be considered "working out well."
- Already addressed above.
I bet you're fun to have a beer with.
Anyways, it appears to me as if we are improving and may field a competitive team. Granted, not every issue was solved in one weekend but I think we made progress. If this team wins, the fans WILL show up, so whether Dundon shows lack of interest or not is immaterial. Bettman has shown commitment to markets, until he doesn't, I'm not worried.
As far as Lindholm and Hanifin, Hanifin appears to be dumb as a box of rocks and Lindholm seems perfectly content with losing. While Noah looks pretty crossing over at the offensive blueline, he gets turnstiled more times than I can count and is brutally soft in his own zone. The Hanifin comparisons to Hedman and Jones are utterly ridiculous. A more accurate comparison might be john Michael Liles. Good riddance to both.
 

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No matter what they sign for, we had the money for it and it wouldn’t have been too much. They aren’t in line for ridiculous contracts. Hanifin was probably going to get Slavin-esque pay, not sure on the years. Lindy was going to get a raise into the 4 million range, likely more now with the trade. For three or four years or so I would’ve been fine with that. Lindy puts up points, just not enough for everyone obsessed with draft position. If he’s a 40-50 pt guy 4-5 million is becoming that range. Like it or not.


This wasn’t about money. We wanted change and these two were view as expendable. Maybe as weak and the most expendable parts of the “weak culture”. Hanifin made a microcosm of his whole career on the one play against Johnson. Maybe TD called it right there, I’m sure some of us did. I really struggled with him after that play after watching him be so generally up and down, and I absolutely get the nature of everyone having a bad play every now and then.

I just don’t want to here it was about money two days before the trade.
 

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There was a lot of ballyhoo about VGK booting Shipachyev because he wasn't buying in/producing and lots of praise to them for that decision... I think on some level that's what was going on here. If you're not on board, see ya. Maybe I'm way off base there but to me all those 2 ever brought was potential, maybe somebody, if only, etc. This team needs to start winning now. The idea that maybe a player will be pretty good in a few years doesn't put butts in seats, and it doesn't attract players/coaches/personnel. I'm totally ok if hanifin and lindholm become perennial all-stars in Calgary if it means the Hurricanes sniff the playoffs before my kids get their drivers licenses.
 

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alt take: the "hard to sign" media narrative was used to gauge league interest while maintaining the "we're not shopping them!" leverage. it worked, they got a guy who will play a role hanifin would have to progress into. as for calgary, hamilton was off limits until thursday night or friday.

This is a plausible explanation...in other words, all the talk from GMDW was theater...they planned all along to move Hanifin and Lindholm...they actually think the team will be better with Hamilton and Ferland.

I hear the explanations about why this may make the team better...and how the new brain-trust wanted to put their stamp on the team...however, I still think money was an important factor.

Perhaps this is, as was suggested earlier, part of a decision to invest in Aho and TT and they will get healthy extensions after July 1st similar to Slavin and Pesce.
 
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Teravainen is better than Lindholm. I'm glad we choose to keep Turbo over Elias.

I know there was a 20 point gap between the two, but I think that was a function of who was playing with Aho more than anything. Lindholm had what appeared to be a breakout 2nd half on the RW on the Aho - Staal line, whereas Teravainen struggled to produce on lower lines in 16-17. Lindholm starts the year in that spot, but gets bumped during the line shuffling. Teravainen, to his credit, took advantage of the opportunity and the story ended up being in reverse this past season.

I see them as equals offensively, with Teravainen being a better goal scorer and Lindholm a better pure playmaker. Lindholm is better defensively and thus, more versatile. From an asset perspective, he'll end up being cheaper a year from now as well.
 

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From everything out there now it looks like the interest started with Lindholm to Calgary for Ferland. Which does make sense as everything I’ve seen about Ferland indicates he fits what the Canes want on the wings. That was Carolina’s piece of interest. Maybe Fox was the add because Calgary is unsure of his future, but it seems like Carolina was balking.

By late Thursday and Friday Calgary is reportedly trying to move Hamonic or Brodie for a 1st rounder. That didn’t work so it appears they made Hamilton available if Carolina would add Hanifin to the deal. Which, as far as wheeling and dealing goes is pretty encouraging.

Flames GM seems most upset to lose Ferland. There are some more familiar fans out there that think he might be a late breakout player. I know very little about him but I’m happy to add any scorer with a heavy game.
 
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Keep an eye on what Maroon gets this offseason. That should give a solid idea of what it's going to cost to retain Ferland, assuming his production doesn't fall off a cliff here.
 
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2 thoughts / questions

1. How different is Hamilton as a player compared to Faulk pre Brad Malone injury? They honestly seem like very similar players, Faulk has just fallen off since that injury.

2. Though they play opposite sides, who has the higher ceiling Bean or Fox?
 
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Now that the boards are now (sort of) functioning again, I will offer my take.

There's a lot of subtleties to this trade and a lot of people are polarized over what each asset even is. I think Hanifin could within reason reach Hamilton's level. Jones, Hedman, and even Hamilton himself took a similar track points wise in their first few years (though Hanifin has arguably been sheltered). Hamilton is what we hoped Hanifin would become plus he can replace Faulk's shot on the PP. Not like Hamilton is some grizzled veteran either. He's 25 and has plenty of potential left himself. Aside from talk of Hamilton being either a locker room cancer or just a little bit odd like pitkanen, this part of the deal seems most straightwarward. Hamilton is worth more right now, but Hanifin could maybe catch up at some point.

I don't like giving up Lindholm because I still think he could fill a hole at center for us and that he would be helped under the new coach. He will probably score 50-60 or more with Monahan-Gaudreau, but knowing peters will misuse him as a grinding 1st line wing, I think we could get a lot more out of him as a two way playmaking center. He could turn into a Couturier, he's got the skill and smarts, but I know a huge number of people will strongly disagree. A fair judgement. We've had enough waiting and hoping and hanging onto flashes and glimmers. Did we sell low on him? You look at ferland and think of brouwer for oshie. Again, polarization. Ferland is either a tough guy who got lucky with his line mates or a tough guy who's shown he's got some previously untapped offense. We'll have to see. He sounds like the perfect guy to go with aho and teravainen. And of course he's "hard to play against" so hopefully management has fully satisfied their fix for toughness.

So we gave up potential for proven and even sold low on one of our guys...oh but wait there's one more guy in the deal. The youngest guy in the deal in Adam fox. Kid has massive potential. Only weaknesses are size and average skating. Could be a 50 point RHD, something that would be more valuable than Lindholm at his max potential. Evidently, he didn't want to sign because the Flames were so stacked on the right side, even a good spot in the AHL wasn't a guarantee. We trade Faulk and next year we can give him a a spot on the right side, a power play to quarterback, and some fellow American NCAA team mates. Or, if he's not quite ready, too minutes in Charlotte. Hopefully Tripp and Jack Drury can convince him to sign.

The contract negotiations seem like crap to me. If that was the reason for the trade, them our management team are idiots and Waddell hasn't learned anything since Atlanta. There were barely any negotiations at. They're Rfa, and we have all the leverage. Seems like crap to me. Plus these trade rumors were going on ever since Dundon gave his end of season media conference. They had been negotiating this deal for at least 3 weeks. I think they wanted to trade two young fan favorites that they were worried were getting infected with the losing culture. There's also the expansion draft to consider. We were inevitably going to have to trade one of the big 4. Faulk seemed obviously but we didn't have a right side replacement or anything to replace his PP scoring (or lack of this of late). Hamilton combines the big smooth skating dman (Hanifin) with the right handed bomb (Faulk), leaving us with the same skill sets as before in one package. This makes into easier to trade Faulk and have Pesce, Slavin, and Hamilton to protect. Exposing tvr and fleury won't be much of a loss. Then, if we can sign Fox, we've got Bean and Fox as expansion exempt players, leaving us with potentially at least 5 great dmen for years to come. Personally, I would leave bean in the ahl this year. Fleury is not ready for the top 4. Would prefer a LS veteran like a hainsey to glue it all together.

In summary, I think it's a win for both sides. Calgary wasn't going to sign Fox, so they can view this deal as Hamilton/ferland for Hanifin/lindholm. A clear win for Calgary. If we can sign Fox, I think that turns it to a win for us (but this was not a possibility for Calgary). Both sides assume risk. Calgary on whether Hanifin and Lindholm reach their potential and Carolina on whether they sign Fox and Ferland. I expect to see Lindholm putting up better numbers due to better linemates and Hanifin improving with a more reliable partner. The wrench in this then is Bill Peters. I don't like that Calgary is bringing in players that were often misused by the coach they just hired.
 

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Whether or not contract negotiation played any role I am encouraged this team seems focused on keeping leverage. Rutherford in the past seemed all to willing to wait too long to negotiate leading to some pretty unfavorable contracts. His overuse of NTC/NMCs in particular really hampered some returns. Speaking of I gotta assume we trade Faulk before July 1st right? That's when a NTC kicks in?
 

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Good point from @Hulkacaniac on the expansion draft, although it's largely solved by moving Faulk rather than by this deal.

However, we could see a 4/4 as well for Carolina since there isn't a ton up front right now that needs to be protected:

Staal
TT
Aho
Skinner (if re-signed)
Ferland (if re-signed)

Trade/UFA acquisition(s)
McGinn?


I feel like Rask will be dangled to Seattle.
Necas and Svech not yet eligible.
 

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