Confirmed with Link: Lindholm + Hanifin to CAL for Hamilton, Fox and Ferland

[go comets]

Lindholm was disappointing for the canes. Under performed but wanted to be paid like an all star..

Hanafin also seemed stagnet, but is still young. But the canes traded from a position of strength.

Hamilton from accounts was un happy in Calgary after his brother was traded, a new start should be great for him.

Ferland adds size, grit, and some toughness the canes need desperately.

Fox is a bonus piece for the canes.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I'm not "worried" about anyone really, I'm just saying throwing all of Svech, Necas, Foegele, Zykov, Wallmark, and even Saarela into an opening night lineup is probably a bad approach.

Even if they traded Skinner and Faulk for no one the opening night lines look something like

Aho-Necas-TT
McGinn-Staal-Williams
Ferland-Rask-Svechnikov
Martinook-Wallmark-McLovin

That’s not ideal for sure, but it already doesn’t include Zykov and Saarela and there is absolutely zero chance they trade both Skinner and Faulk and go through free agency without adding another top 9 forward.

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Am I the only one who didn't have any issues with Hanifin's play? I feel like a lot of what's being said is justification after the fact, since he was one of the bright spots on defense last year. At least, IMO.

 

[GoldiFox]

I’d be surprised if Hanifin ever became a #1. His defensive game is just limited. He isn’t smart enough to play a positional gap control style against high quality opponents (even with his top-end skating) and he doesn’t bring a physical element to supplement. At this point I was just hoping he would build muscle memory through experience and settle in as an offensive #2/3 who needs a safety net. I don’t have a ton of love for his time in Raleigh but I still wish the best to he and Lindholm. Maybe Hamonic will be the 2nd pairing anchor he needs to finally break out.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

Am I the only one who didn't have any issues with Hanifin's play? I feel like a lot of what's being said is justification after the fact, since he was one of the bright spots on defense last year. At least, IMO.

nope, i didn't have any massive issues with hanifin's play. i still think he could top out as a hedman or seth jones as he is on that trajectory, but he is going to have to put quite a bit together in the defensive end that isn't there now to reach that. going back to peters' system won't do him any favors as i personally think it neutralizes some of the best aspects of his game. i think the most likely end result for hanifin is topping out as a player in the same tier of defenders as dougie hamilton, but i put a slight premium on having the RD version who is already playing at that level than hoping that hanifin becomes a hedman.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Hanifin could skate and move the puck. He was a poor mans Pitkanen. I don't get why losing him is so detrimental to our blue line. Especially, when you're adding Hamilton (a clear upgrade). You have to give to get and I give poor man's Pitkanen for Hamilton all day any day.

 

[Ole Gil]

Am I the only one who didn't have any issues with Hanifin's play? I feel like a lot of what's being said is justification after the fact, since he was one of the bright spots on defense last year. At least, IMO.

His offense in the first half of last year was a bright spot. But he wasn't so good defensively, and at least as far as Peters was concerned, didn't adequately balance offense/defense in the ozone.

I would have liked to see what Hanifin/Lindholm looked like playing for someone that isn't Bill Peters.

But if Hanifin had turned into exactly Dougie Hamilton, I'd have been thrilled.

 

[the halleJOKEL]

difference is that the poor man's pitkanen just turned 21 in this case. pitkanen was at his peak. i bet a lot of people called hedman and seth jones a poor man's ______ until they put it all together as well. again, not saying hanifin will ever put it all together, but if you compare the trajectories of those two norris candidates, there are similarities to hanifin thus far.

 

[Svechhammer]

As someone else put it... We traded Hanifin for the guy we debated on whether or not he'd become. Yeah it stinks to lose his potential, but we just got a legitimate top 10 defenseman in his prime for him. We took a good defense and made it better.

On top of that, we moved Lindholm, who has disappointed for what he was drafted to be, and moved him for a guy who will set the tone on us being the kind of team we want to be. Is it a small step back in scoring, sure, but I think the additions on making us a nightmare to play against should make up for it. They already say that Svech has a physical game to him, imagine if Ferland's style rubs off on him. He'd be a one man wrecking crew on the ice.

And to top it off the addition of Fox is icing on the cake. If we can get him to sign, and it sounds like we have as good a chance as anyone, we just added an elite defenseman to our already excellent defensive core. In 3 years this trade has potential to go down as an all time boner move for Calgary. Of course, it could blow up in our face, but after watching Lindy and Hanifin the last few years, it just seemed like it was time to sell high. And putting them with Peters again... I don't think I'm going to worry too much that they are suddenly going to break out.

 

[geehaad]

difference is that the poor man's pitkanen just turned 21 in this case. pitkanen was at his peak.

Surely you're not suggesting that that Hanifin is already at peak Pitkanen, because that would be an idiotic thing to suggest. If that's not what you're saying, then...what are you saying?

 

[The Stranger]

I would've preferred if they extended Lindholm and Hanifin as opposed to making this trade.

The team presumably wanted to keep the two players as they had contract negotiations.

This trade was a plan B when they decided the salary was more than they wanted to pay.

Carolina makes this trade to save money.

Calgary makes this trade to improve their quality on the ice (which comes with a higher price tag).

Not only does this trade not address a team need, it now absolutely forces their hand to make another trade to move one of the RHD (most likely Faulk) trade partners will know the Canes need to make a trade now.

 

[The Faulker 27]

difference is that the poor man's pitkanen just turned 21 in this case. pitkanen was at his peak. i bet a lot of people called hedman and seth jones a poor man's ______ until they put it all together as well. again, not saying hanifin will ever put it all together, but if you compare the trajectories of those two norris candidates, there are similarities to hanifin thus far.

You could be 100% right. I didn't follow Jones or Hedman in the development years, but I've seen plenty of Hanifin and I'm just saying I'm totally ok with them not waiting to see what he becomes.

 

[GoldiFox]

I would've preferred if they extended Lindholm and Hanifin as opposed to making this trade.

The team presumably wanted to keep the two players as they had contract negotiations.

This trade was a plan B when they decided the salary was more than they wanted to play.

Carolina makes this trade to save money.

Calgary makes this trade to improve their quality on the ice (which comes with a higher price tag).

Not only does this trade not address a team need, it now absolutely forces their hand to make another trade to move one of the RHD (most likely Faulk) trade partners will know the Canes need to make a trade now.

Let’s see what they get in a Faulk deal before saying they get bent over. Almost every team in the league is looking for a top-4 RHD. The Canes have 3. They are probably sitting back, letting the interest roll in, and will assess the 10+ legit offer they get next week. Carlson getting locked up by Washington would crank it up another level. I think the return will be surprisingly good.

 

[Svechhammer]

You could be 100% right. I didn't follow Jones or Hedman in the development years, but I've seen plenty of Hanifin and I'm just saying I'm totally ok with them not waiting to see what he becomes.

Hanifin's potential versus Hamilton's prime. Top 5 potential vs current Top 10 player.

What's the old saying, a bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush? I'd rather have the guy who is currently a top class player than one who has the potential to be one.

 

[Stickpucker]

I just realized looking at that edmenton fellers avatar that Chia reminds me a lot of Tobias...

 

[DougieSmash]

Ready to buy Dougie jersey. I guess he will take #27.

 

[MinJaBen]

Not only does this trade not address a team need, it now absolutely forces their hand to make another trade to move one of the RHD (most likely Faulk) trade partners will know the Canes need to make a trade now.

If we want to sign Fox, we probably need to trade several. On the right side we have Pesce, Hamilton, TvR, Faulk, McKeown, Martin and Fox if he signs. Martin is not signed either. We might want to sign TvR to a short bridge deal so we can move him easily next year.

 

[BB88]

You could be 100% right. I didn't follow Jones or Hedman in the development years, but I've seen plenty of Hanifin and I'm just saying I'm totally ok with them not waiting to see what he becomes.

I would say Jones was much more highly seen than Hanifin at the same age, by this time he had gotten off Nashville and taken over Columbus' blueline.

Hanifin still has a high ceiling but in my eyes it had lowered since the draft. These kids develop faster and faster today and Hanifin has been overtaken by multiple young D-men in the game.

 

[go comets]

Even if they traded Skinner and Faulk for no one the opening night lines look something like

Aho-Necas-TT
McGinn-Staal-Williams
Ferland-Rask-Svechnikov
Martinook-Wallmark-McLovin

That’s not ideal for sure, but it already doesn’t include Zykov and Saarela and there is absolutely zero chance they trade both Skinner and Faulk and go through free agency without adding another top 9 forward.

I agree.. change was needed. Bring in a guy or two via free agency, some from the AHL and whatever they trade for. Much better than the same old.....

 

[Stickpucker]

I would rather have gotten back Monahan/Tkachuk. Fills a need while staying younger and keeping team control.

Probably would have rather done Hanifin for ROR also.

Either way this trade means we will need to make a few more trades to balance out the roster. I do think that Lindy and Hanifin were both underachievers here and sends a message we aren't accepting your complacency and spending big $$ on you to the rest of the org.

I am a little nervous about how little team control we have on the assets we got back.

 

[wolfofthesteppes]

is it just me or is the way dougie hamilton is being portrayed remind anyone else of what was being said about joni pitkanen when he arrived?

I had this exact thought.

 

[26Mats]

I would say Jones was much more highly seen than Hanifin at the same age, by this time he had gotten off Nashville and taken over Columbus' blueline.

Hanifin still has a high ceiling but in my eyes it had lowered since the draft. These kids develop faster and faster today and Hanifin has been overtaken by multiple young D-men in the game.

Clearly we see now that Hanafin was traded because Management just didn't think he'd be that good.

 

[Ole Gil]

I would say Jones was much more highly seen than Hanifin at the same age, by this time he had gotten off Nashville and taken over Columbus' blueline.

Hanifin still has a high ceiling but in my eyes it had lowered since the draft. These kids develop faster and faster today and Hanifin has been overtaken by multiple young D-men in the game.

Yup. Tough to predict top 5 in the NHL, when it's debatable if he's in the top 5 since his draft year going into next season.

 

[BB88]

Clearly we see now that Hanafin was traded because Management just didn't think he'd be that good.

Could very well be they saw limits in his ceiling and knew he still had high trade value.

Hamilton has gotten #1D hype by some, he's an easy 1st pair D-man. 6'6 RD with elite skating.
I wouldn't build around either Hamilton or Hanifin but Carolina doesn't have to, they can allow Hamilton to play to his strenghts and he is today the clearly better player.

Slavin- Hamilton-Pesce is an elite top3, very similar to Josi- Subban- Ekholm, except they are younger.

Yup. Tough to predict top 5 in the NHL, when it's debatable if he's in the top 5 since his draft year going into next season.

Werenski+Provorov+ McAvoy have certainly overtaken him, Serg has shown great promise and is already challenging him, next year Dahlin+ Heiskanen will start to challenge him from day1.

 

[The Faulker 27]

Hanifin sucks. There I said it.