Confirmed with Link: Lindholm + Hanifin to CAL for Hamilton, Fox and Ferland

[Tkachuky]

Just a couple of thoughts as a Flames fan...

Hamilton is a stud when it comes to scoring. Defensively he is pretty damn good. Gio is the anchor on that pairing but as I was telling Leafs fans that always shit on hamilton... You don't end up being one of the best pairs in the NHL without pulling your own weight, and Doug did that big time.

Fox - not much to say... For me it feels like Erixon situation from a few years ago. Was probably one of our best D prospects and didn't want to sign here. Went to the Rangers and I don't even know where he is now... Hope Fox turns into something for you.

Ferland - Man... when he is 'on' he is awesome. The problem is, the way he played in the Canucks series from a couple of years ago... he doesn't do that on a regular basis. He does have a pretty good shot though. if you get 15-20 goals out of him next season, to me that is a great thing.

I am exciting for Lindholm and Hanifin. I think they will find success in Calgary. Playing with Gaudreau and Monahan should spark Lindholm to the next level.

Anyways, I think this trade is closer than people think.

Hamilton>>Hanifin>Lindholm>Ferland

Fox?

 

[NotOpie]

Hurricanes GM Don Waddell Quiets Noah Hanifin Trade Rumors

"Our goal is to get [Hanifin] signed to a long-term deal and it goes back to Tom's [Dundon] philosophy as ownership that we have these assets and we want to tie them up for a long time. You got a young player who had his best season this last year who’s on the up-rise," said Waddell. "These kind of assets… you have to be very careful with how you manage it. You’re not gonna ever trade a young player — whether it’s Hanifin or anybody else — for a 30 year old good player. We got something going we feel with our young players and we have to keep that moving in the right direction.”

lol.

"....but a good 25 year old great player....that's a whole 'nother thing"

 

[MinJaBen]

Just a couple of thoughts as a Flames fan...

Hamilton is a stud when it comes to scoring. Defensively he is pretty damn good. Gio is the anchor on that pairing but as I was telling Leafs fans that always **** on hamilton... You don't end up being one of the best pairs in the NHL without pulling your own weight, and Doug did that big time.

Fox - not much to say... For me it feels like Erixon situation from a few years ago. Was probably one of our best D prospects and didn't want to sign here. Went to the Rangers and I don't even know where he is now... Hope Fox turns into something for you.

Ferland - Man... when he is 'on' he is awesome. The problem is, the way he played in the Canucks series from a couple of years ago... he doesn't do that on a regular basis. He does have a pretty good shot though. if you get 15-20 goals out of him next season, to me that is a great thing.

I am exciting for Lindholm and Hanifin. I think they will find success in Calgary. Playing with Gaudreau and Monahan should spark Lindholm to the next level.

Anyways, I think this trade is closer than people think.

Hamilton>>Hanifin>Lindholm>Ferland

Fox?

This trade looks like it could be a win-win for both clubs. Hopefully Noah and Lindy take the next steps for you guys and hopefully Hamilton and Ferland can keep up their current level of play for us and we can sign Fox.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

I can't believe so many people here like Lindholm

The guy is a dud. This season when we needed guys to step up after the all-star break, Lindholm was Missing in Freakin' Action. Same with NH actually. He was mostly hot garbage after the All-Star Break.


With so many young players making a difference for their teams, why hold on to players who have no track record of being able to step up when it counts?

I've already heard that Ferland stepped up huge in the Canucks series a couple of years ago. Instant improvement over Lindholm....

 

[SlavinAway]

Waddell said today that Calgary called asking how to get Lindholm right after they hired Peters.

Guy is so face-off obsessed it’s insane. I bet Lindholm taking faceoffs away from Staal drove Brindy absolutely bonkers just because it was his weak side. What kind of a look do you think a coach would get from Brind’amour if he was told his wing would be taking the faveoffs on the offside?

It was interesting to me to see rumors that BP has already said he wants to pencil in Lindy on the Monahan/Gaudreau line when he didn't ever put him on our top line with Aho/Staal or Aho/TT.

With Lindholm and Hanifin being under BP still makes me less nervous that they will have huge breakout years.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I can't believe so many people here like Lindholm

The guy is a dud. This season when we needed guys to step up after the all-star break, Lindholm was Missing in Freakin' Action. Same with NH actually. He was mostly hot garbage after the All-Star Break.


With so many young players making a difference for their teams, why hold on to players who have no track record of being able to step up when it counts?

I've already heard that Ferland stepped up huge in the Canucks series a couple of years ago. Instant improvement over Lindholm....

Lindholm has 17 points in 33 games post all star break. He was pretty much the same guy before and after.

Hanifin however, fell off a cliff.

 

[bleedgreen]

He has half the skill Lindy had but double the intensity. There’s no doubt we need this kind of player but you would never do that trade straight up.

As a whole the package is good. It’s a lot better if Ferland fits well and signs, and if Fox signs. Otherwise we have up a lot for one good defenseman.

Only time will tell obviously. I think Hamilton will make us a better overall defensive group, because we were mostly hype without any substance before back there. A lot hinges on who his partner ends up being. Ferland is the type of guy that needs to maximize his ufa contract because he’s not the type of player to last into his 30’s. Not an automatic easy signing there. I do think he’s exactly the kind of forward we needed. Skilled enough to have a job in the top nine but clearly not one to be pushed around like so many others we have. McGinn needs some help.

Fox is a wild card that seems to want to be a ufa. We could really use to get that guy in the fold and then we’ve done pretty well here.

 

[GoldiFox]

Lindholm has 17 points in 33 games post all star break. He was pretty much the same guy before and after.

Hanifin however, fell off a cliff.

Related table I posted a while ago:

	Dates	GP	G	A	Pts	+/-
Hanifin	Oct-Dec	38	7	13	20	-3
Hanifin	Jan-April	39	3	8	11	-15
Slavin	Oct-Dec	38	3	7	10	-5
Slavin	Jan-April	42	5	15	20	6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[tarheelhockey]

I can't believe so many people here like Lindholm

The guy is a dud. This season when we needed guys to step up after the all-star break, Lindholm was Missing in Freakin' Action. Same with NH actually. He was mostly hot garbage after the All-Star Break.


With so many young players making a difference for their teams, why hold on to players who have no track record of being able to step up when it counts?

I've already heard that Ferland stepped up huge in the Canucks series a couple of years ago. Instant improvement over Lindholm....

Not every player is going to be a game breaker. Forget Lindholm was a #5 pick for a moment. He’s been probably our most consistent middle-6 presence over the past few years, at a time when we’ve cycled through a bunch of guys like Rask, Versteeg, Nestrasil, Stempniak, etc. Guys who seemed like solid adds early on, but couldn’t hold it together. Lindholm just keeps plugging away at that slightly-above-average level of his. Players like that aren’t garbage, they’re the guts of a good team.

That being said, this trade moved two guys who are on the verge of mediocrity for one guy who’s already hit a higher mark, plus a couple of other potentially useful depth assets. That’s a good trade in my book. And if it’s true that Lindholm was looking for $5M+ type money, then Waddell did a fantastic job getting out of that situation while the getting was good.

 

[Svechhammer]

Lindholm on the Flames top line? Good luck with that.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Lindholm on the Flames top line? Good luck with that.

Could be OK, but the caveat is that he’d have to be the defensive conscience on that line. So expecting him to score more in that role would be... a bit optimistic.

 

[Svechhammer]

Not every player is going to be a game breaker. Forget Lindholm was a #5 pick for a moment.

But that's the problem, you can't really forget that. A #5 pick like that should absolutely be better than a consistent middle 6 player, especially when he comes to the contract negotiation table thinking he was that top line player.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Lindholm on the Flames top line? Good luck with that.

I could score 10 goals playing with Monahan and Johnny Hockey. Lindholm is a perfect fit for that. He’ll they used Ferland there last year and he had almost as many points as Lindholm. I’d be stunned if he didn’t score 55 points if he plays with them. If he’s throwing that short pass from behind the net to Monahan instead of Staal that’s 5 extra assists right there.

 

[Svechhammer]

Could be OK, but the caveat is that he’d have to be the defensive conscience on that line. So expecting him to score more in that role would be... a bit optimistic.

if you read the main board, they're talking 60-65 points, easy, next season.

 

[WhiteTrashAmerican]

Not every player is going to be a game breaker. Forget Lindholm was a #5 pick for a moment. He’s been probably our most consistent middle-6 presence over the past few years, at a time when we’ve cycled through a bunch of guys like Rask, Versteeg, Nestrasil, Stempniak, etc. Guys who seemed like solid adds early on, but couldn’t hold it together. Lindholm just keeps plugging away at that slightly-above-average level of his. Players like that aren’t garbage, they’re the guts of a good team.

That being said, this trade moved two guys who are on the verge of mediocrity for one guy who’s already hit a higher mark, plus a couple of other potentially useful depth assets. That’s a good trade in my book. And if it’s true that Lindholm was looking for $5M+ type money, then Waddell did a fantastic job getting out of that situation while the getting was good.

My thoughts exactly, we got the best current player in the deal and probably saved money doing it. I think Calgary is going to be rather disappointed in Hanifin and probably meh on Lindholm. I know Hanifin is still young but nothing to me outside of his skating says he is a top guy.

Getting a solid depth piece and a good prospect is gravy to me. So far the "brain trust" is looking good.

 

[tarheelhockey]

But that's the problem, you can't really forget that. A #5 pick like that should absolutely be better than a consistent middle 6 player, especially when he comes to the contract negotiation table thinking he was that top line player.

I get it and I agree that he didn’t/won’t reach lofty expectations, but at some point the draft pedigree doesn’t matter any more. He simply is what he is as a hockey player, no more or less than that.

I don’t know whether to believe that he was really looking for big money. That seems a bit crazy. If true, then I’m happy to let someone else make that mistake.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

I can't believe so many people here like Lindholm

The guy is a dud. This season when we needed guys to step up after the all-star break, Lindholm was Missing in Freakin' Action. Same with NH actually. He was mostly hot garbage after the All-Star Break.


With so many young players making a difference for their teams, why hold on to players who have no track record of being able to step up when it counts?

I've already heard that Ferland stepped up huge in the Canucks series a couple of years ago. Instant improvement over Lindholm....

I liked Lindholm. I really did. I’m not happy to see him go. But I’m not too sad about it either. He sums up what’s been wrong with this team for the last decade. He’s been just ‘good enough’. He’s definitely an nhl player, but never really took that next step he seems capable of.

I think it was @theekevinc who was talking about Williams one time, and how Williams realized he needed to shift his attitude from being a prospect to being ‘the guy’. And he did. And helped us win a cup in the process. And now the retirement home version of a Williams out scored Lindholm this year.

Hell, Derek Ryan came close to out scoring Lindy this season, and Derek Ryan sucks.

I wish him all the best I Calgary, maybe this trade lights a fire under his ass and he can finally put it all together playing with Monahan and Gaudreau. I just don’t think he was ever going to take that next step here.

 

[FreshSeabass]

Fox is a wild card that seems to want to be a ufa. We could really use to get that guy in the fold and then we’ve done pretty well here.

I keep seeing a lot of people say this, but after hearing GMDW on Sirius radio this morning, he sounds pretty confident he can get him signed.
Here is the interview for those interested:

Also he says you could see a move for a goalie in the next 7-10 days. Whatever the f*** that means.

 

[CandyCanes]

It was interesting to me to see rumors that BP has already said he wants to pencil in Lindy on the Monahan/Gaudreau line when he didn't ever put him on our top line with Aho/Staal or Aho/TT.

With Lindholm and Hanifin being under BP still makes me less nervous that they will have huge breakout years.

Trust me Lindholm will get a shot with Monahan/Gaudreau. But give it 2-3 games and Peters will break out the Kineteco Blendomatic Line Blender 7000 and switch things up.

 

[DJJones]

Just so you guys know. Overmanking has a weird fetish against Monahan so in his mind, the top lines success was completely Ferland and Gaudreau this year. But when Monahan got hurt, Ferland disappeared for the next 35 games and scored 2 goals in that time. So take from that what you will.

I still don't know how good Hamilton was after all this time on Calgary. Obviously he has an amazing shot and had great chemistry with Gaudreau and Giordano. But two coaches in a row didn't trust him on special teams and anytime he was away from Giordano he struggled to the point of being a borderline liability. The penalties will be nice to not have to throw my remote at the tv as well.

Calgary is doubling down on Giordano being the important part. If Giordano fixes Brodie the way he (may of fixed) Hamilton (both players play fall off a cliff with Gio), then we win. If Hamilton is a legit #2 and the coach trusts him. You guys probably win.

 

[choirboy]

Not sure if this has been posted, courtesy of Calgarypuck user AC. Ferlands playoff series vs Vancouver. He only played part of the season in the NHL that year, as he was in the minors to start the season. He certainly doesnt bring it like this every game, as no human could sustain that intensity all year. But everytime I watch these clips, it brings a smile to my face.

Devastating hits, great plays and intensity.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

very surprised negotiation rights to Derek Ryan didn't go over as well as part of the deal

- I all honesty I feel bad for Lindy - was looking forward to seeing him under a different coach.

As to the lofty expectations from the flames fans for their new first line - they are forgetting about Bill Peters

 

[CandyCanes]

Related table I posted a while ago:

	Dates	GP	G	A	Pts	+/-
Hanifin	Oct-Dec	38	7	13	20	-3
Hanifin	Jan-April	39	3	8	11	-15
Slavin	Oct-Dec	38	3	7	10	-5
Slavin	Jan-April	42	5	15	20	6

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Hanifin was on pace for 15 goals and 43 points in the first half. The talent is definitely there. I’m still afraid as to what he can break out into.

 

[Tkachuky]

Not sure if this has been posted, courtesy of Calgarypuck user AC. Ferlands playoff series vs Vancouver. He only played part of the season in the NHL that year, as he was in the minors to start the season. He certainly doesnt bring it like this every game, as no human could sustain that intensity all year. But everytime I watch these clips, it brings a smile to my face.

Devastating hits, great plays and intensity.

This series was amazing from Ferland. Like I said, don't expect that from him in the regular season. He simply does not play like that anymore.
I hope he does well in Carolina. He's had some tough times with addictions in the past and has turned his life around big time.

 

[CandyCanes]

Not sure if this has been posted, courtesy of Calgarypuck user AC. Ferlands playoff series vs Vancouver. He only played part of the season in the NHL that year, as he was in the minors to start the season. He certainly doesnt bring it like this every game, as no human could sustain that intensity all year. But everytime I watch these clips, it brings a smile to my face.

Devastating hits, great plays and intensity.

Watching his highlights I can surely see him becoming a fan favorite here in Carolina. He’s just a fun hockey player