Post-Game Talk: lightnings @ RANGER

[FIRE DRURY]

I despise the devils

 

[DialUp]

Haven't posted for a few days: caught the flu, uncle ended up in the hospital, basically, other priorities and BS.

But what a way to start the New Year! And being at the game was the cherry on top!

LGR!!

Hope you and your family are better. Serious flu flu? or Omi-flu?

Also, off topic I know, but this thread is seriously lacking the discussion that Mika's annual molting came super early this year.

 

[Kocur26]

I was at Rangers Flyers 1979 playoffs - were you ?

 

[FIRE DRURY]

Right now Lafrenniere Kakko Chytil are borderline flops

Chytil is 2 years older than Laf and has played 215 games. This is his 4th full season. The two are not comparable.

Most of us would all agree that we had higher expectations from Laf. This is true. Only a legit myopic simpleton would truly believe he’s approaching bust status 88 games in his career.

You’re the kind of fan that wants to see the team lose just so you can say I TOLD U SO!! We can all smell that stench in all your posts.

 

[Boris Zubov]

A fool to think we're getting help from NJ today

Nice reverse jinx....one point anyway

 

[FIRE DRURY]

I was at Rangers Flyers 1979 playoffs - were you ?

I was at the 1940 Rangers Cup win.

whErE wErE U?!?!?!

 

[ecemleafs]

I was at Rangers Flyers 1979 playoffs - were you ?

just means you're old.

 

[will1066]

Nice reverse jinx....one point anyway

Better than a Caps win, for sure

 

[Ail]

Most of those players are aging or old …
Gauthier caufield huge concerns

Lmao most of those players are established NHL producers, age withstanding. Caufield is the only other comparable and he has way bigger expectations.

 

[THE BIG WHISTLE]

I was at Rangers Flyers 1979 playoffs - were you ?

I was at 1979 playoffs Game 5 at the Nassau Mausoleum when Anders Hedberg scored the GW goal to give the Rangers a 3-2 lead in the series.
So what’s your point??

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

Laf had a good game. Stepped up with some really nice effort plays and blocks. I know he wasnt drafted for that, but I'd rather him be making contributions elsewhere if its going to take some time for the offense to come around.

Said the same thing about Kakko before this year as well (and he also seems to remain allergic to the scoresheet despite the line he is playing on)

The Rangers played a really solid game considering a few key guys were out. Back to back wins against the Cup champs after mainly "beating up on the bad teams" is a bit of a statement - with Panarin out today as well.

Igor Igor Igor.

 

[Alluckks]

To people that use the ignore button liberally: do you feel that you lose a lot of the context for conversations on here? Or miss out on threads?

I probably have around 20 or so people on ignore. You can imagine all the regular names that it is. If the person is also someone who I feel contributes well then I will avoid the ignore, but the guys who have been same old depressed angry losers that basically use this board as their personal diary... no, they aren't missed at all lol

If anything, it makes to easy when I see a string of like 10 posts in a row on a Roster Building Thread that are just angrily arguing with someone that I can't see. Only gotta click next page once and don't have to sift through the chaff.


EDIT:
Also, I will sometimes add people to the ignore list when I can tell they are on a bit of a tirade lately that I am tired about and will go back later to take them off. A couple weeks or sometimes after the season ends. @Machinehead was on there for about a full season a couple years ago lol and @EdJovanovski spent a month on there just earlier this year when every thread became a Kravstov/Buchnevich pouting thread

 

[Dfence033]

I've lurked here for a long time, been a Rangers fan far longer, even through some truly bad NYR years.

The level of incessant "we suck despite winning (a ton)" is awful. I don't know if it's the infusion of "fancy stats" that have made people think they are smarter than the W column in the standings, or the fan base getting younger (or me getting older), but it's really hard to read here lately.

Jack Hughes is a good player on an awful team, and a player the Rangers never had a chance to draft. Good for him and the Devils. Most teams make the playoffs who clear 95 points, meaning the Rangers should, in theory, be able to go exactly .500 the rest of the way and make it in. Let's focus on how great of a position this team is in, shall we?

Yes, the have flaws. Most people didn't expect the Rangers to be Cup favorites or even contenders this early. This team is unlike most recent winners. They really have two "windows:" the vets may sneak in a good run or two, then the highly touted kids mature and open up window #2. This is one of the youngest teams in hockey, and are already a scary opponent. Let's all take a breath and celebrate how quickly we get to watch winning hockey already, and giggle like school girls about how bright the future is on top of the now.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Lafrenniere getting props today and I guess that’s where we’re at with him and where he’s going …
“ grinder - team guy - defensive awareness - 15 - 19 goals “

While Jack Hughes is Turing into a dynamic speed force

The Devils give Hughes PP time, top 6 minutes and all other toys to play with. Laf gets to play 12 minutes with guys like Chytil.

Jones and Lundkvist looked good together, they should be given more minutes. And as the second part of the season is starting, Zibanejad is traditionally starting to heat up. Good to see. This team needs him out there.

 

[maris]

Hughes isn’t on a playoff team
The nyr aren’t a playoff team because of Lafrenniere.

You see - liking rooting hoping wishing lying to oneself doesn’t equal reality .

Right now Lafrenniere Kakko Chytil are borderline flops

 

[DialUp]

Yes, the have flaws. Most people didn't expect the Rangers to be Cup favorites or even contenders this early. This team is unlike most recent winners. They really have two "windows:" the vets may sneak in a good run or two, then the highly touted kids mature and open up window #2. This is one of the youngest teams in hockey, and are already a scary opponent. Let's all take a breath and celebrate how quickly we get to watch winning hockey already, and giggle like school girls about how bright the future is on top of the now.

Opinion going into this year, and seeing the points they have in the standings equals overachieving on my part, but I agree with your window assessment, THOUGH, the 2nd window is just a bit smaller than I thought it was going to be considering some pieces of that future era are either not here (Kravtsov, Lias), or has bigger question marks over their heads (Laf, Kakko, Miller, Nils, etc).

 

[Tob]

Jack is way cuter. Devils were always going to come out ahead of that draft.

 

[Fitzy]

I've lurked here for a long time, been a Rangers fan far longer, even through some truly bad NYR years.

The level of incessant "we suck despite winning (a ton)" is awful. I don't know if it's the infusion of "fancy stats" that have made people think they are smarter than the W column in the standings, or the fan base getting younger (or me getting older), but it's really hard to read here lately.

Jack Hughes is a good player on an awful team, and a player the Rangers never had a chance to draft. Good for him and the Devils. Most teams make the playoffs who clear 95 points, meaning the Rangers should, in theory, be able to go exactly .500 the rest of the way and make it in. Let's focus on how great of a position this team is in, shall we?

Yes, the have flaws. Most people didn't expect the Rangers to be Cup favorites or even contenders this early. This team is unlike most recent winners. They really have two "windows:" the vets may sneak in a good run or two, then the highly touted kids mature and open up window #2. This is one of the youngest teams in hockey, and are already a scary opponent. Let's all take a breath and celebrate how quickly we get to watch winning hockey already, and giggle like school girls about how bright the future is on top of the now.

I think it's a little bit of both, and that one tends to be related to the other.

But IDK. I still post here after 13 years because there is a solid chunk of posters who consider possession metrics and shot danger metrics as a useful tool, but not the be-all-end all of team or player evaluation. Those that aren't so dinosaur that they dismiss it outright, but not so dogmatically adherent to it that they dismiss every other piece of evidence.

The primary culprits are the people who post single game possession stats as if they tell us something (You need good sample sizes to draw reasonably confident inferences) as well as the people (Tend to be the same folks) who make definitive statements like "X is the worst player on the team" based off that same simple flimsy evidence.

I don't think fancy stats are the problem. The problem is the lack of epistemological modesty on the part of the analytics crowd. As cool as Valiquette's analysis can be, he sometimes ignores nuance in favor of simple probabilities, ignoring how many immeasurable moving parts go into a game of hockey.

 

[will1066]

Jack is way cuter. Devils were always going to come out ahead of that draft.

"I'm just as comfortable doing a cover-page interview with Sporting News as I am with Tiger Beat." --J. Hughes

 

[Dfence033]

Opinion going into this year, and seeing the points they have in the standings equals overachieving on my part, but I agree with your window assessment, THOUGH, the 2nd window is just a bit smaller than I thought it was going to be considering some pieces of that future era are either not here (Kravtsov, Lias), or has bigger question marks over their heads (Laf, Kakko, Miller, Nils, etc).

Sure, over-achieving is something I think most would agree with, especially since most had the Rangers as a borderline playoff team. But this isn't Montreal last year. This is a team that was expected to be excellent soon, just not yet. For all the "unsustainable" folks: that's fine. The beauty of this season's success so far is that it doesn't have to be sustainable. This is a bonus, not the expectation.

As for the promise of the 2nd window, you may be correct. But I've watched enough hockey over decades to know better than to write off or bet on anyone not truly generational like Lemieux, Jagr, McDavid, Crosby, and Ovechkin at the age of 20-22, especially not in the weirdest seasons the NHL has seen since WW2, and kids having played under 100 games. They may not deliver. They may. Either way, it's okay, but we should enjoy the damn ride at least. Of the 32 teams in the league, 31 won't win the Cup every year. But hovering at 70% points percentage through nearly half a year is a very good sign.

 

[Paul Padovano]

So with no Panarin for a while, I guess Laf is on the second line with Strome and possibly Goodrow. eeeks. N Nah, jk who knows?
Sorry guys, made a mistake. Thought this was the GDT

 

[Rempe73]

Lafrenniere getting props today and I guess that’s where we’re at with him and where he’s going …
“ grinder - team guy - defensive awareness - 15 - 19 goals “

While Jack Hughes is Turing into a dynamic speed force

Zegras is also the one that hurts me. Yea I’m happy with the team but Lafreniere and/or Kakko need to turn into a Hughes/Zegras type.

 

[Brutananadilewski]

Hope you and your family are better. Serious flu flu? or Omi-flu?

Also, off topic I know, but this thread is seriously lacking the discussion that Mika's annual molting came super early this year.

I honestly think it was the flu. Felt really weak the 1st day, and the next few days, I just had a stuffy/runny nose. Not even a cough or sore throat.

Uncle had pneumonia. A whole different can of worms.

I was debating if I should eat a hot dog or go vegan because of the hat trick, so I went to Smashburger.

 

[Glen Sathers Cigar]

I’m all for patience- I just don’t see anything 1 overall worthy yet - do you ?
Are you not a little more than concerned?

Well, yes I am concerned. I specifically said in my post that there are legitimate reasons to be underwhelmed with Lafreniere’s progress thus far. But context is needed. He’s not a bust and even though I’m concerned I’m not even close to thinking he’s anything near a bust yet. I think he needs new line mates. He has flashes basically every game. I really think he needs to get over his RW aversion so he can be in the top 6.

He had a very strong game today too so it’s very odd timing on the complaints about him.

 

[DialUp]

But I've watched enough hockey over decades to know better than to write off or bet on anyone not truly generational like Lemieux, Jagr, McDavid, Crosby, and Ovechkin at the age of 20-22, especially not in the weirdest seasons the NHL has seen since WW2, and kids having played under 100 games.

I like this.