Player Discussion Lias Andersson

[Mac n Gs]

You keep trying to sell your opinion as fact. The only reason people are still high on Puljujarvi is because they don't watch him as close as they do Lias.

It also makes absolutely zero sense at this point in a rebuild to be discussing a one-for-one trade like this - we should be focusing on how to add Puljujarvi and seeing if we can push his development further than he's gone in Edmonton.

 

[UnSandvich]

Just gonna leave this here

 

[RGY]

Just gonna leave this here

That is one of our posters here! Lol not to blow up his spot.

 

[UnSandvich]

That is one of our posters here! Lol not to blow up his spot.

Yeah, he posted it in the Hartford thread, and given the fact that the tweet says who it was from, i was too lazy to double-cite

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

That is one of our posters here! Lol not to blow up his spot.

Too late! Just kiddin'

Tobias is one of the better people around here.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

 

[UnSandvich]

Yikes. 20 points is 22% of team goals? That's not a great look for Hartford

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Yikes. 20 points is 22% of team goals? That's not a great look for Hartford

Which is exactly why I spent the last 3 hours researching this

 

[Inferno]

Which is exactly why I spent the last 3 hours researching this

Kinda paints a picture. I haven't seen a second of Hartford this year...but jeez.

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Kinda paints a picture. I haven't seen a second of Hartford this year...but jeez.

As some people may know, I started this concept because of Traktor's abysmal season offensively. I initially got the idea when McDavid was involved in his team's first 13 goals of the season. He contributed on all of them. It takes some time to research, and I exclude goals awarded for a shootout win but the result does paint a picture, yes.

Unlike Hartford, Traktor is in a position to reach the play offs, and if they do they will have the lowest G/GP ratio of any KHL team that makes the play offs. Comparing individuals is a nice idea but there are other factors involved as well.

 

[Don Chytil]

Yikes. 20 points is 22% of team goals? That's not a great look for Hartford

It’s 22% of team goals just in the games that Lias has played for Hartford.

So clearly, his bad attitude in the games he plays makes the rest of the team around him worse, thus inflating his contribution percentage. If only Steven accounted for attitude bias in his analysis, surely he would have noticed this

 

[Don Chytil]

As some people may know, I started this concept because of Traktor's abysmal season offensively. I initially got the idea when McDavid was involved in his team's first 13 goals of the season. He contributed on all of them. It takes some time to research, and I exclude goals awarded for a shootout win but the result does paint a picture, yes.

Unlike Hartford, Traktor is in a position to reach the play offs, and if they do they will have the lowest G/GP ratio of any KHL team that makes the play offs. Comparing individuals is a nice idea but there are other factors involved as well.

While I’m mostly joking in my post above, there is an element of randomness in this contribution percentage thing that makes me question it.

As a hypothetical example - imagine Chytil gets 5 goals and 5 assists in January, and the same exact line in February. The rest of the team is in a slump throughout January. However, in February, the Kreider/Zib/Zucc line gets super hot and put up insane numbers. Was Chytil’s hypothetical February worse than his January because his contribution percentage was much lower?

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

While I’m mostly joking in my post above, there is an element of randomness in this contribution percentage thing that makes me question it.

As a hypothetical example - imagine Chytil gets 5 goals and 5 assists in January, and the same exact line in February. The rest of the team is in a slump throughout January. However, in February, the Kreider/Zib/Zucc line gets super hot and put up insane numbers. Was Chytil’s hypothetical February worse than his January because his contribution percentage was much lower?

That's a good question, but I feel that over the course of an entire season, and with a large enough sample size, it evens out

 

[Leetch3]

just imagine how high his % would be if he could skate or play hockey?

but seriously though are we supposed to read that as a positive for lias or a negative for our system that hartford is THAT bad?

 

[Irishguy42]

but seriously though are we supposed to read that as a positive for lias or a negative for our system that hartford is THAT bad?

Yes

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

just imagine how high his % would be if he could skate or play hockey?

but seriously though are we supposed to read that as a positive for lias or a negative for our system that hartford is THAT bad?

Take it any way you want. Read it, and form an opinion. My point here is that a team's form/quality of offense directly impacts a player's production.

It's a lot easier to hit 35 points when your team scores 200 goals in games you play in, compared to when your team scores 120 goals in those same games.

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

Its hard to look at just the pts per g and think LA is in a bad spot..

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Its hard to look at just the pts per g and think LA is in a bad spot..

What started this, is people raving about Eeli (19P in 37GP), yet label Lias (20G in 36GP) a bust

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

What started this, is people raving about Eeli (19P in 37GP), yet label Lias (20G in 36GP) a bust

As long as Lias can avoid an Alex Nylander Situation. Theres no reason to complain

 

[Levitate]

I think he could have held down a spot in the NHL and produced similar to Howden this season but obviously has stuff to improve on so the AHL in theory was a better move. Shame that Hartford has collapsed and it sounds like most players aren't doing great.

Could definitely still see him getting a callup after the trade deadline

 

[Vinny DeAngelo]

I think he could have held down a spot in the NHL and produced similar to Howden this season but obviously has stuff to improve on so the AHL in theory was a better move. Shame that Hartford has collapsed and it sounds like most players aren't doing great.

Could definitely still see him getting a callup after the trade deadline

They'd be much better if Chytil, Pionk, and Howden were there like I've argued they should've been

 

[Shesterkybomb]

Leave Lias in the AHL this year and give him motivation for the summer to seek a skating tutor and strength and conditioning coach. I think he will be fine but it wouldnt hurt to light a fire under him.

 

[Mikos87]

Nice work normalizing that set.

 

[RangerBlues]

bust

 

[nyr2k2]

I have always been one of the kid's more ardent supporters, think he got a bit of a raw deal during his NHL stint, and think he'll be an excellent player long term.

That said, it is somewhat concerning that his play appears (to me) lackadaisical, and like he's not particularly engaged. That's just my assessment but he looks much different than he did to start the year, which I think anyone who regularly watches Hartford would agree with. Regarding his shot generation, since January 1, he's had 35 shots in 20 games, so 1.75 per. That includes an outlier-ish 7 SOG game, which was his season high. He was basically a lock for 2-3 shots every night before, when he had 35 shots in 15 games. So, there's clearly been some drop off. Similarly, if I counted correctly his contribution percentage has fallen in that time to 17% (8 of 47). That number is fine in its own right, but again, it's indicative of something changing in him around the time he was sent back down.

Hartford sucks and has fallen apart in general, but I think there's more to it. He still gets good PP time and plays primarily with Lettieri, who is a point-per-game player. I don't know for sure what it is, but I hope he turns it around and finishes the season strong.

EDIT: His numbers since going down are actually 35 shots in 22 games (1.59) and 8 points from 55 team goals (14.5%). Those should be accurate.