Find me someone that would argue that the SHL is the second-best league out there.
Prospect Info: Lias Andersson
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Find me someone that would argue that the SHL is the second-best league out there.
offdacrossbar
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the KHL would be that actually. and by a comfortable margin.
i give him his 9 games and if he lights it up, who knows.
send him back to sweden after if he's not ready. nothing to lose.
i still think he could surprise and stick.
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It's all subjective and cant be quantified. I watch plenty of Euro hockey and the SHL is on par with the KHL. That's why I said "arguably".
The SHL has won each of the first three Champions Hockey League titles. Russia is the only major Euro nation that doesnt participate.
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For a young player it`s a huge morale boost if they can contribute in NHL at his age though. However it will be tough competition in NHL meeting older more experience centers. Maybe give him 9 games - if the coaching staff approves him then we can have this discussion if he should be sent back to Sweden or continue his Ranger career and playing with very good players here in New York.
Anyway one of his parents should probably live with him for a year or two until he get used to New York and how to live alone in a big city.
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If finding nhl play a struggle at 18 is demoralizing, he doesn't have the makeup they thought he had
The good young guys leave committed to being more ready next time
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Which is why if he shows he isn't ready after 9 games, you send him back to the SHL. I really don't see a downside to letting him get a taste, if he shows in camp that he deserves it. If he clearly isn't ready, send him back to the SHL early, but if he looks like he is close, let him have a few games to see what it is like. There is definitely a benefit it letting a kid get a feel for what he is aiming at.
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That wasnt my point. My point was there is no way to definitively prove the KHL is a "better" league than the SHL, especially when it comes to NHL development.
Half of Russia's top prospects play in major junior and go directly to NHL. Look at import draft lists and CHL rosters. The top Swedes rarely come to North America for junior. They stay in the SHL until they're ready.
The number of NHL Swedes is double to the number of Russians. Only Canada and the U.S. make more NHLers. In the last 25 years, Sweden has medaled in 17 WC's, Russia 12. Olympics, Sweden has two golds and a silver since 1994, Russia a silver and a bronze and none in the last 3 Olympiads.
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The alternative for these players is MHL, not KHL. You are reaching big time now.
AlternateSideParking
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The better ones are starting to come to North America.
In terms of 2017 first-year eligibles, seven Russians drafted were from North American leagues, only four from the MHL or VHL.
Most of the top 2018 Russian eligibles will be in North America this season, including the possible 1st overall pick.
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Pavel Buchnevich
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In most cases I prefer teenager prospects develop in their home country. Bring them over in the summer and let them do some training and camps. Bring them over and let them face the full cultural adjustment when they're a little older.
Most cases. There are plenty of exceptions.
Most cases. There are plenty of exceptions.
Hunter Gathers
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It's not really a problem at all. Past poor performance isn't indicative of the current crop of Russians who have come over.
Pavel Buchnevich
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Things might be a little different than they were 10-15 years ago, but its still a different world, in terms of culture and hockey. These adjustment problems happen for just about all these players, whether they come over as full-fledged stars like Panarin or as juniors. More mature adults and hockey players should adjust better, which is why its better for them to stay in Russia until their early-mid 20's, develop in the KHL, and come over as NHL ready players.
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NYR have never gone the 9 game route that I can recall.
It was talked about with both Duclair and Del Zotto but both stayed past the 9th game.
My suspicion is that if they think Andersson is ready to contribute, and is better than the next best option at 3C, that they'll just keep him on this year.
The inevitable question is whether playing Andersson in a sheltered bottom 6 here would somehow hurt his offensive development and turn him into more of a 3rd line prospect compared to what he might do with a year in the top 6 in the SHL.
It was talked about with both Duclair and Del Zotto but both stayed past the 9th game.
My suspicion is that if they think Andersson is ready to contribute, and is better than the next best option at 3C, that they'll just keep him on this year.
The inevitable question is whether playing Andersson in a sheltered bottom 6 here would somehow hurt his offensive development and turn him into more of a 3rd line prospect compared to what he might do with a year in the top 6 in the SHL.
Algernop Kreider
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There was never a 9-game option for Duclair. He stayed in juniors in his draft+1 year and he didn't have a late birthday like Chytil, so his only ELC slide had already been used regardless.
The Rangers 3rd line is used pretty much as a soft minutes offensive line so if he was in that position it might be a pretty good situation for him. 4th line, maybe not so much
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Edge
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Frankly, with the type of game Andersson plays, and the maturity with which he plays it, it's not terribly hard to imagine him being able to step right into that kind of role.
Now whether he gets the opportunity is another matter.
But I don't think using Andersson in a third line role will have any negative impact on the type of player he does or does not become.
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