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Prospect Info: Lias Andersson

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Edge said:
Kreider scored 28 goals last season and lead the Rangers.

As many as Tavares and more than guys like Monahan, Wheeler and all but about 30 players in the NHL.

Is he imperfect, yes. But so are a lot of players in the league.

Again, I think part of the problem is that we have to understand that anything less than an elite superstar is going to have some flaws. Hell, even when we have elite superstars we can find flaws (Messier, Leetch, Jagr, Lundqvist, etc.).

Some of what we're seeing now is what happens when you spend years getting so wrapped up in projections and imaginary possibilities, that you can no longer accept and appreciate the reality of what a player is.

Kreider is a first line, 25-30 goal, 50-60 point player. In today's NHL, that's a very good player.
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I don't think that is really fair, he didn't lead at all during the POs. You know, that is very far from "anything less than elite superstar".

I am not in favor of trading Kreider, think he should retire a Ranger. But I don't agree with the notion that people can't have a problem with his performance last season.

You say that he scored as much as Tavares and so forth -- facts are that Hoffman for example played the pants off Kreider. Radulov was so much better than Kreider in that series.

I don't give a rats ass what Kreider does in October or February, if he is super consistent. He just must be a bigger factor when it matters the most. Period.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
As others have mentioned, Kreider drives the play better and hes overall more impactful, this has especially been the case come playoff time, last season aside.
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I guess I'm insane then. Zuccarello drives the play and has more impact night in and night out than any other forward on the team in my opinion. He's also led the team in scoring two years in a row.

I love Kreider, but Zuccarello is a better player.

Kreider wins the eye test because of his size and speed, but we all know the eye test is misleading, right?
 
My bet is Lias is going to start the year with the team, he'll get his 9 games, and then he will be sent to Frolunda

I think that is the best path for him. He'll be on the team full time next year
 
Synergy27 said:
I guess I'm insane then. Zuccarello drives the play and has more impact night in and night out than any other forward on the team in my opinion. He's also led the team in scoring two years in a row.

I love Kreider, but Zuccarello is a better player.

Kreider wins the eye test because of his size and speed, but we all know the eye test is misleading, right?
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Actually, Zuccarello would win the eye test because of his tenacity and "inspired" play. Kreider wins the fancy stats test btw but forget all of that, his skill set makes him much more disruptive against his opponents.


Zucc is definitely more creative, but that doesn't make him better. He also happens to be the one guy on this board who can get away with being horrible for a prolonged stretch (see: November-Mid December last year.)

Ola said:
I don't give e a rats ass what Kreider does in October or February, if he is super consistent. He just must be a bigger factor when it matters the most. Period.
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This should apply to Zucc too, who has been much less effective in the post season than Kreider has overall.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
Actually, Zuccarello would win the eye test because of his tenacity and "inspired" play. Kreider wins the fancy stats test btw but forget all of that, his skill set makes him much more disruptive against his opponents.


Zucc is definitely more creative, but that doesn't make him better. He also happens to be the one guy on this board who can get away with being horrible for a prolonged stretch (see: November-Mid December last year.)



This should apply to Zucc too, who has been much less effective in the post season than Kreider has overall.
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Zucc has a much higher ppg%(0,68 for Zucc, 0,56 for Kreider) in the reg season and a higher ppg%(0,52 for Zucc, 0,48 for Kreider) in the playoffs than Kreider.

Zuccarello had 14 points in 15 games in December. 8 points in 15 games in November. Thats 22 points in 30 games. Thats on pace for 60+ points over 82 games. People seem to forget that if you arent a ppg player you always have stretches without scoring alot. If they didnt, they would be ppg or better. Even Sid can have stretches without scoring.
There isnt one argument for Kreider beeing a better overall player than Zuccarello. Zuccarello a better backchecker and top ten in the league in takeaways, more consistent, Zucc has 228 points over the last 4 seasons(316 games), Kreider has 179 points(300 games). Both are great 5v5 players though. Zuccarello´s twoway game is fantastic.
 
WesMcCauley said:
Zucc has a much higher ppg%(0,68 for Zucc, 0,56 for Kreider) in the reg season and a higher ppg%(0,52 for Zucc, 0,48 for Kreider) in the playoffs than Kreider.

Zuccarello had 14 points in 15 games in December. 8 points in 15 games in November. Thats 22 points in 30 games. Thats on pace for 60+ points over 82 games. People seem to forget that if you arent a ppg player you always have stretches without scoring alot. If they didnt, they would be ppg or better. Even Sid can have stretches without scoring.
There isnt one argument for Kreider beeing a better overall player than Zuccarello. Zuccarello a better backchecker and top ten in the league in takeaways, more consistent, Zucc has 228 points over the last 4 seasons(316 games), Kreider has 179 points(300 games). Both are great 5v5 players though. Zuccarello´s twoway game is fantastic.
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That isn't really an accurate representation of their production though.

Kreider spent all of the 2013 run on the 4th line playing with the likes of Asham and co (he didn't even dress for every game.) Zuccarello has been a top 6 guy right off the bat.

Since the 13-14 season...

Kreider: .54 PPG
Zuccarello:.51 PPG

I know Zuccarello tries hard, but Kreider has been much more impactful in the playoffs, as hes been right smack dab in the middle of almost every big moment this team has had in the playoffs over the last few years. Can't say the same about Zuccarello, because that number for him is exactly 2.

FWIW, most of Zuccarello's December production came after the halfway point of the month. He was abysmal from November-mid December, which is what I said in the first place. It went beyond the production though, his overall play was well below acceptable.

He's been more productive, but that doesn't mean that hes been better.

Anyway, back to Lias Andersson.
 
Geoff Gorden said:
That isn't really an accurate representation of their production though.

Kreider spent all of the 2013 run on the 4th line playing with the likes of Asham and co (he didn't even dress for every game.) Zuccarello has been a top 6 guy right off the bat.

Since the 13-14 season...

Kreider: .54 PPG
Zuccarello:.51 PPG

I know Zuccarello tries hard, but Kreider has been much more impactful in the playoffs, as hes been right smack dab in the middle of almost every big moment this team has had in the playoffs over the last few years. Can't say the same about Zuccarello, because that number for him is exactly 2.

FWIW, most of Zuccarello's December production came after the halfway point of the month. He was abysmal from November-mid December, which is what I said in the first place. It went beyond the production though, his overall play was well below acceptable.

He's been more productive, but that doesn't mean that hes been better.

Anyway, back to Lias Andersson.
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1: Why are people talking about Kreider and Zuccarello in this thread?

2. Like Zuccarello had an easy time in Torts doghouse...
 
Chimp said:
1: Why are people talking about Kreider and Zuccarello in this thread?
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Because every time we try to move on, someone says something like "he's been more productive, but that doesn't mean he's been better".

I don't even know how to respond to that so maybe that was actually just a strategic attempt to get this year back on topic.
 
BBKers said:
If we get a player like Stepan with 6-7 years on RFA contracts that replaces Stepan and is in the NHL next year that is a good deal. Add ADA and 4 years of Shattenkirk and that is a great deal. But all of this is still very much in the air. One can hope
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I have no issue with the Stepan trade. Gorton needed to change the mix of the team. The Stepan trade was a trade for the future. Andersson will be the better player in future years. The Rangers just have a big hole in the middle right now. They do have Andersson and Chytil. Zibanejad and those two centers should give the Rangers size,strength and skill at center for a long time in a few years.
 
Does anyone else feel that Lias' game is similar to Landeskog's and that type of player could be Lias' ceiling?

I see a feisty, intelligent player with a nose for the net. Who doesn't have a snipers toolbox, but don't for a second leave him open anywhere inside the hash marks, plays the wall very well and has no problem leading his 5 man unit when on the ice.

Besides accomplishment, what does Landy have over Lias that's different? (serious question)

I'll take that at 7oa.

So as far as Stepan + Raanta, for 7oa, I think a player in Landeskog's mold is a very acceptable return especially considering all the other variables involved. (RFA, Shatty, ADA)
 
x BEUKEBOOM x said:
Does anyone else feel that Lias' game is similar to Landeskog's and that type of player could be Lias' ceiling?

I see a feisty, intelligent player with a nose for the net. Who doesn't have a snipers toolbox, but don't for a second leave him open anywhere inside the hash marks, plays the wall very well and has no problem leading his 5 man unit when on the ice.

Besides accomplishment, what does Landy have over Lias that's different? (serious question)

I'll take that at 7oa.

So as far as Stepan + Raanta, for 7oa, I think a player in Landeskog's mold is a very acceptable return especially considering all the other variables involved. (RFA, Shatty, ADA)
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I think they're similar in that they both do the little things to help a team win, but the comparisons pretty much stop there.

Landeskog plays a more physical, power forward game. Andersson, though not afraid to get dirty, doesn't have the same frame as Landeskog nor does he generate offense the same way.

Andersson projects as more of a Drury/ROR style player.
 
Edge said:
I think they're similar in that they both do the little things to help a team win, but the comparisons pretty much stop there.

Landeskog plays a more physical, power forward game. Andersson, though not afraid to get dirty, doesn't have the same frame as Landeskog nor does he generate offense the same way.

Andersson projects as more of a Drury/ROR style player.
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ROR is who I keep going back to with Andersson.

25 goal, 35 assist upside. Very good two-way game. Zero issue with getting dirty. Leadership qualities.
 
Hunter Gathers said:
ROR is who I keep going back to with Andersson.

25 goal, 35 assist upside. Very good two-way game. Zero issue with getting dirty. Leadership qualities.
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Yeah I love the Steen/ROR comparables. He has that killer mentality that you just can't teach, and I'm hoping the offensive games follows too
 
September 5. I read that is the date where the players are on the ice or it's the day the players report for Traverse City. Forlunda is playing in a tournament but the Rangers don't want Andersson to play in the event. They want him ready for training camp. The translation was kind of tough to understand. I can post it later. Two weeks from this Tuesday. Hockey season is approaching fast.
 
RangerBoy said:
September 5. I read that is the date where the players are on the ice or it's the day the players report for Traverse City. Forlunda is playing in a tournament but the Rangers don't want Andersson to play in the event. They want him ready for training camp. The translation was kind of tough to understand. I can post it later. Two weeks from this Tuesday. Hockey season is approaching fast.
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He is allowed to play in the Champions Hockey League games, but the Rangers have told him they don't want him to play in Frolundas pre-season games.
 
SnowFort said:
He is allowed to play in the Champions Hockey League games, but the Rangers have told him they don't want him to play in Frolundas pre-season games.
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Thanks. I read Lundqvist is skating with Frolunda and Andersson scored a nice goal against Henrik.
 
In terms of quality of play and prominence, Champions Hockey is 8000000 times better than Traverse City. Frolunda will play in front of packed houses and against near-NHL caliber Euro teams.

I'd rather see Lias play as a Top-6 vs men than a Top-3 vs kids. Those CHL games get intense, especially if you have an intra-league rivalry like SHL vs SHL or Liiga vs Liiga.

I really dont get why the Rangers want him in NA so bad. He'll come when he's ready and he'll be a better player when he gets here.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
In terms of quality of play and prominence, Champions Hockey is 8000000 times better than Traverse City. Frolunda will play in front of packed houses and against near-NHL caliber Euro teams.

I'd rather see Lias play as a Top-6 vs men than a Top-3 vs kids. Those CHL games get intense, especially if you have an intra-league rivalry like SHL vs SHL or Liiga vs Liiga.

I really dont get why the Rangers want him in NA so bad. He'll come when he's ready and he'll be a better player when he gets here.
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Yes, I agree, but if he is good enough he will certainly be center the 3rd line in NHL after the training camp. We don`t have a gr8 center depth if AV have plans to use JT. Miller as a winger.
 
Ori said:
Yes, I agree, but if he is good enough he will certainly be center the 3rd line in NHL after the training camp. We don`t have a gr8 center depth if AV have plans to use JT. Miller as a winger.
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This is risky. There's a greater chance he gets demoted/scratched than staying a 3c or getting promoted. Then you run the risk of killing his confidence.

To me, he's too young to be a difference maker in the NHL. The SHL is arguably the 2nd best hockey league in the world.
 
Steve Kournianos said:
This is risky. There's a greater chance he gets demoted/scratched than staying a 3c or getting promoted. Then you run the risk of killing his confidence.

To me, he's too young to be a difference maker in the NHL. The SHL is arguably the 2nd best hockey league in the world.
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I agree with your point about Lias being better off by staying in the SHL another year. But I don't understand the need to put a false statement that makes your whole post questionable. KHL is a clearcut 2nd best league. SHL is probably not even a 3rd best behind AHL but here's a room for a discussion. It would have been enough if you said that SHL is a very good league for Andersson to continue developing for another year.
 
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